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I am looking for information for the following family:

William Copeland Black - the only information I can find for this person is that he was born in 1882 in Keswick, Cumberland and emigrated to Montreal Canada and married Catherine O'Lone in 1911 there. I know that he was still alive at the age of 60 as I have been given a photo of him but cannot find any death record for him.

I know that his wife who was Irish died in 1935 in Montreal.

The only information I can find of this children is their births. They were all born in Montreal and baptised at Saint Michael the Archangel, rue St-Viateur.

They are

Frederick William Black born 13 July 1912
Catherine Mildred Black born April - March 1914
Harold James born 21 November 1915
Harold Black born 14 November 1920
John Allan Black Born May 1921

There was another son Edgar Beatty Black born 1 April 1919 but I have found that he was killed in WWII on 17th December 1944 and is buried in the Canadian War Cemetery in the Netherlands. But do not know if he was married.

I would be grateful for any information.

connection?

John Coupland Black
England Marriages, 1538–1973

birth: 1849 —Keswick
marriage: 05 Dec 1876 —St. John'S-In-The-Vale, Cumberland, England
parents: Benjamin Black
spouse: Sarah Birkett

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: John Coupland Black
groom's birth date: 1849
groom's birthplace: Keswick
groom's age: 27
bride's name: Sarah Birkett
bride's birth date: 1848
bride's birthplace: St John'S In The Vale
bride's age: 28
marriage date: 05 Dec 1876
marriage place: St. John'S-In-The-Vale, Cumberland, England
groom's father's name: Benjamin Black
bride's father's name: John Birkett
groom's marital status: Single
bride's marital status: Single
indexing project (batch) number: M03687-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1472306

William Black married Kate O'loan
? June 1911
St patrick's R.C.
William parents John Black & Sarah Birkett
Kate's parents Patrick O'Loan & Lizzie Toner

This site has a record of the death of Edgar Beatty Black. It gives his parents' names but no wife is mentioned.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem

Harold's death:

: Harold BLACK 1
•Sex: M
•Birth: ABT 1916 1
•Death: 23 APR 1977 in Suddenly in Montreal at age 61 years 1
•Reference Number: 114
•Note:
His death notice in the Montreal Gazette or Montreal Star read:-

BLACK, Harold Suddenly at his residence on April 23 1977, Harold Black, Beloved husband of Theresa Keyes. Son of the late Mr. & Mrs. William Black. Dear brother of Catherine, Fred, Douglas and Gerald. and the late Edgar and Allan. Resting at the Kane and Fetterley Funeral Home, 5301 Decarie Blvd., Funeral service at St. Columban Church on Wednesday, April 27th at 2 p.m. To St. Columban, Quebec


From this site:

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=sdelaney&id=I0114

if this

'To St. Columban, Quebec'

means the village of St Columban then here is a website

http://www.stcolumban-irish.com/

it has a photo of 'The Church in St. Columban about 1930'

and there is a discussion forum there where people have posted looking for family history information ... probably not a well read site though ...

the site has links to historical information

http://www.stcolumban-irish.com/published-histories

yes ..... from that site, found by google

searching for
black "st columban" quebec

http://www.stcolumban-irish.com/Memories-Histories/Keyes-Phelan-Casey-OConnor.html

Grand-Parents
ANDREW KEYES II & ELIZABETH CASEY

Andrew Keyes II was born on Christmas Day, December 25th 1878 in St. Columban. He married Elizabeth Casey (Daughter of John Casey & Mary Ann Grimes) in Montreal on September 8th 1903. Elizabeth Casey had also been born in St. Columban on June 30th 1878. They had nine children as follows:-

Nora Keyes was born around January 1916 and died at six months old on June 27th 1916.
Mary Keyes was born on July 7th 1905 and married Leslie Gunning on June 3rd 1929. Mary died in Montreal on April 25th 1965.
J. Andrew Keyes was born on February 12th 1907 and married Mary Rawson on October 17th 1933 in Outremont (Montreal) Quebec. J. Andrew died on October 21st 1953.
Anthony Keyes, born in Montreal on January 29th 1908, was never married, and died at only 20 years old on February 28th 1928.
Loretta Keyes was born on June 4th 1910. She married John Ryan on November 28th 1942. Loretta died in Montreal on October 16th 1969.
John Keyes died in infancy on June 12 1914.
Harold Keyes born September 30th 1917 and married Lorraine Rose in Outremont on February 22nd 1941. Harold died in Montreal on June 28th 1967.
>>>>> Teresa Keyes born on July 2 1920 and married Harold Black in Montreal on November 28 1942
And my father, Victor Keyes ...


there is an email address at the bottom of the page where you could probably get more contact information

St Columban is ED 7 in the 1911 district of Deux Montagnes
You could check the census images:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002051232.pdf thru
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002051237.pdf
to see if there's anyone of interest
[There is a 75 yo John Casey lodging on p 1, but no other names mentioned here.]

http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/index.jsp
For earlier censuses, use links on:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911-e.html

For Montreal post-1911, check out:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1270382

The nominal date of the 1911 census was 1/6/1911.

For searxhing in 1901/1911, it's helpful to know the guy's b'day, or at least his month of birth. All we know here is he was rego'ed 1882q3, which gives a 5 month window

Quebec BMDs (Drouin collection) are available on Ancestry, but I don't have the right sub.

St Patrick's Church was at Dorchester & St Alexander
http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/lovell/src/1911-1912/5.Miscellaneous_directory/110643_1911-1912_0058.pdf
Dorchester seems to have been renamed to Boulevard René-Lévesque Ouest and the church/basilica is abt 500m N of Marie Reine du Monde.

maybe Rachel will decide to return to her thread and respond to replies ... I suppose I will send her a private message

the family history I quoted above is by a nephew of Teresa Keyes who married Harold Black, the son of William Copeland Black and Catherine O'Lone

if they had children, the children are his first cousins

hopefully he will be a source of information about the family

NOTRE-DAME-DES-NEIGES CEMETERY
4601 Côte-des-Neiges Road
Montreal, Quebec
H3V 1E7

List of deceased
Concession: TR 00710
Catherine Black 18/04/1989
Catherine O Lane Black 30/04/1935
Gerald Francis Black 24/09/2008
William Copeland Black 02/10/1969

Number of deceased: 4




Black, Gerald Francis BLACK, Gerald Francis. 1926-2008. In Chateauguay, on September 19, 2008, at the age of eighty-one years. Survived by his brother Douglas (Lucette), as well as his nieces and nephews. Resting at: Yves Legare Alfred Dallaire, 123 Maple Street, Chateauguay. Visitation Wednesday, September 24, from 9 to 11 a.m. Funeral service in the chapel at 11 a.m., thence to the Notre-Dame-des-Neiges Cemetery. Donations to the Lung Association, in lieu of flowers, would be appreciated. logo Published in the Montreal Gazette on 9/23/2008 Notice - Guest Book



Name: Gerald Francis Black
Event Year: 1926
Event: Naissance (Birth)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Ste-Agnès)
Province: Québec (Quebec)

according to record born 2 Oct 1926 son of William Copeland Black and Catherine O'Loan. Baptised 10 Oct 1926.



Teresa

Thank you for all your replies. They have all been very helpful. I will look at the sites you have all mentioned.

The John Coupland's father Benjamin Black mentioned in the reply from Anne of Greengables we have found that John was born out of wedlock and another relative I have that lives in Edinburgh is now going through the Kirk Sessions to see if it could be a Benjamin Coupland as she once saw an article about Margaret Black a few years ago in them.

I did not know they had a son Gerald Francis Black I found a birth for a Harold but could not read his second name born in 1920.


Thank you all again for your help

thanks for your private message Rachel, hope that bears fruit, do come back to your thread and let us know if you are successful :-)


btw there seems no doubt they did have son Gerald, from the info Teresa posted

I am puzzled by the brother Douglas (Lucette). I found 2 records for the births of Harold James born 1916 and also a Harold born 1920 a relative and I who are both researching the family thought that the Harold born in 1916 had died and that was why there was a Harold born in 1920. But according to one of the posts that does not seem to be the case.

The writing on the second Harold 's record was hard to decipher on the church record. I found the records on Ancestry. But all the information I have received is very helpful and I seem to have just hit a brick wall.