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| Sara Heselgrove | 13/12/2011 21:39:38 |
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hi anthony i have not been on line for a while but i dad 13 generations in my tree and now i appear to have two. has there been a probnlem with the site? regards sara |
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I'm afraid I don't know. I'm not involved with the technical side at all, and indeed have no technical abilities. I can't even make my central heating work. But I would advise you always to keep your own records at home on paper, or, if you store anything on your computer, to back everything up very thoroughly. |
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| Sarah Mc Dermott | 13/12/2011 21:33:04 |
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Thank you Anthony for previous query,do you cover N.Irish records |
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This site doesn't cover Northern Irish records: I do personally, via a colleague there - the're mostly in Belfast, though of course it depends exactly what you're after. |
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| Christine Horsfall | 13/12/2011 21:32:30 |
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any info on horsfall family? known to be in newcastle upon tyne about 1915? cant find out much on them. please help |
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There will be lots of information - masses and masses, that you can research, working back steadily from what you know for sure. Forget 'about 1915'. Start with your grandparents' marriage, sometime before your parent's birth, and from the marriage record work out when your grandparents were born, and then seek their births. Go back step by step. |
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| Kathleen Smith | 13/12/2011 21:24:06 |
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Hi, I`ve found my 4x gr.grandfather William Grime (ca.1792) Atherton,Lancashire and he states once he was born in Barbados, then on the other census, West Indies. I`ve been intouch with the Archives in Barbados, and no luck. What else can I do to find info about him, when he came over, his family etc. Any ideas please ? |
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An interesting result and a good piece of family history for you. It would be worth seeking all possible references to him in the parish registers, to see if he was described as being black - or, you may be able to establish from the sources that his father had been there as planters, doctors, soldiers, clergy or merchants. If his father was a soldier, you could look for William in the army births, on this site. Barbados records are tricky - I'm impressed you persuaded the archives there to answer! You can order a lot of Caribbean parish registers to view at Mormon Family History libraries. The Society of Genealogists has an excellent Caribbean section too, albeit many for the white plantocracy. |
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| Marcelle Kenyon | 13/12/2011 21:12:10 |
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Im struggling to locate a relative who I know for certain did exist. His parents are arthur william battle born 1907 bedfordshire, who married edith wilson 1904 surrey, they had one son who was anthony or tony battle born i think mid to late 19040,s in surrey. Arthur battle was my great uncle. I cannot find any trace of tony,s birth anywhere, therefore cannot trace anymore on that line. also my other great uncle cyril gordan miles born 1905 mildmay park, london appears to have married a gladys dolton, he died in 1996, but i cannot definately confirm this marriage or whether im going down the wrong road, any help please? Marcelle Williams |
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It's a shame you cannot find Anthony's birth (have you tried Antony as well as Anthony and Tony?). I note that he was born in the 1940s. If he his father was in the army at the time then he may be in the army births. If born just after the war, maybe his family was stationed somewhere in the Empire, or in a British protectorate such as Palestine. Even if you cannot find the birth, you could search to see if Anthony married (you'd know you had found the right man as his father's name on the marriage certificate would be Arthur). Or seek Arthur's will, to see what that said of Anthony and his descendants. If you obtain Cyril and Gladys's marriage record, you'll be able to confirm or deny (from the father's name again) that you are following the right line. So much for my trying to be clever when I answered the last question - 'dliate' instead of 'dilate'. Well, that serves me right! |
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| Sarah Mc Dermott | 13/12/2011 21:04:05 |
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How can I get into Irish recordsand how can as I delete the 'father' in the surname as I forgot to dilate it before i entered the surname |
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There are no Irish records on this site. One website that is very good for Irish records is Find My Past, the sister site of Genes Reunited. The records themselves, of course, are in Ireland, and which archive you visit depends of course on what you want. I'm sorry you have had difficulty dliating your father! I'm afraid I don't quite follow what the problem is here. |
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| gladys horton | 22/11/2011 22:00:25 |
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my great grandfather born 1831 has no parents names on his birth certificate i would like to know what to do next please thankyou |
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That is earlier than I thought. Birth certificates didn't start being issued until 1837, so are you writing here about a baptism record? Again, you'd expect the parents to be named, so if none were, then maybe you are dealing here with a foundling. |
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| gladys horton | 22/11/2011 21:50:26 |
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no name on my great grandfathers birth certificate of his father or mother where do i go from here |
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I hope that this is a 'short' birth certificate: if so, you can apply for the proper, long one that will have this information. If, however, this is a long birth certificate and the parents' names have been left blank this will mean that nobody knew who the baby's parents were. That would be the end of the trail, normally, unless you can find something in the local papers about the real parents being found. You can also use DNA testing to find possible genetic cousins of yours, and their knowledge of who their ancestors were may enable you to make some guesses about who yours were. |
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| Carole Frosdick | 22/11/2011 21:45:41 |
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How can I trace passengers that went from liverpool to USA in december 1956, post ellis island, there must have been an embarkation station or registry detailing usa address or destination. Thanks Carole |
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I'm not sure, off the top of my head, about American immigration at so recent a date - not within the immediate purview of my genealogical activities. I would hazard a guess that, like so many aspects of American search, you'd need to know or guess where they arrived, and that's not always very easy given their federal structure (and thus lack of centralised records). Directories and telephone directories are always a good way of picking people up once they had settled down (again, some guessing as to where, exactly, to start looking, may be required). |
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| Carole Frosdick | 22/11/2011 21:45:24 |
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How can I trace passengers that went from liverpool to USA in december 1956, post ellis island, there must have been an embarkation station or registry detailing usa address or destination. Thanks Carole |
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Isn't that the same question as before? |
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| Colin Cross | 22/11/2011 21:31:00 |
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Hi Anthony My great grandfather worked as a signalman on the railway from the railways records jis previous employment was as a gunner. he was a gunner in the royal Artillery for 14 years and 179 days and left the army june 1884. Do you know where i could find more information about him during his time in the army where he was stationed campaigns he was in if he was sent to another country. regards Colin Cross |
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Your next step here should be looking for your ancestor's army records. The original records are at The National Archives. |
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| John Wilson | 22/11/2011 21:19:23 |
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Hello Anthony I see you went to St Georges - so did I in 1958-1964. I remember a classmate called Adolph - was that a relative ? We are trying to trace my wife's aristocratic great-grandfather who had 7 children with great-grandmother, although they never married. All birth and marriage certs give his name as Henry Grosvenor although we strrongly believe he was Algernon Henry Grosvenor, the 4th son of the 1st Lord Ebury. In 1881 he settled a significant sum on the family by way of a Trust. Unfortunately, the solicitor's acting destroyed the file in 1980 and we cannot find any more to confirm our belief, even though we have looked in all the usual places. Do you know if a copy of the settlement form would still be held somewhere if, say, stamp duty had had to be paid. Can you think of anywhere else proof of fatherhood and true identity might be ? Best wishes John Wilson |
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That would be my uncle David, still alive and well. I'll out you in touch if you like - contact me at mail@anthonyadolph.co.uk. The place was awash with Wilsons in my time, as his, of course. I don't think that stamp duty would have ensured the document's survival - stamp duty was and is paid on masses of things, and there aren't copies all conveniently stored away somewhere - I say that with some confidence because, if such records existed, I think we'd be using them all the time! DNA testing may the best way forward in this case. You'd need to find a legitimate descendant of Algernon, or of a brother or other close relative of his. A comparative 'Family Finder' test with you at www.familytreedna.com would show whether you were cousins or not. |
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| lee todd | 22/11/2011 21:16:45 |
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hello i am looking for my grandad dad and i can not find anything about him my granndad was called Terrence w f Todd born in plymouth1933 die in 2004 plymouth i think his dad was called william todd born in london and his wife was called annie richards born in plymouth date unknow can you help me please |
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As you are unsure as to Terrence's father's name, you should start by seeking Terrence's marriage certificate, and once you have that, you can seek his birth certificate. The indexes are on this site, under 'search records'. |
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| Lucy Langdon | 22/11/2011 21:11:28 |
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Can you tell me how to find someone who used a false name? Alfred Arthur Hudson was born 1881 Holborn; married Southwark 1901 Daisy Ellen Williams and fathered Dorothy Ellen Hudson. Enlisted in army 1903 as Robert ARTHUR, transferred from RFA to reserve in 1912, still as Robert ARTHUR. In 1948, London, he signed oath stating enlisted under false name of Robert Arthur and true name was Alfred Arthur Hudson. Daughter's marriages in 1920s show him as deceased. Family never known anything of him. Is there any way of tracing him after 1912 or 1948? He doesn't appear in 1st WW records online in either name. I can't find a marriage or death for him. Thanks, Lucy James |
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Many people served in the armed forces under pseudonyms, to dissociate themselves from what they were doing. Perhaps Arthur was his mother's maiden name. I don't know what to make of the rest - it is very lucky and interesting that you found the 1948 oath. I'd like to see if before advising what could be done next. |
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| Lorna Branigan | 22/11/2011 21:11:21 |
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Hi, i have just purchased my grandad birth cert, on it has his fathers name, so i tried looking up his name and there are alot of people with the same name. i no my grandad lived in Hackney, but i don't no about my great grandad. i can't purchase a birth cert for my great grandad until i know which john james yates he is, how i can i find out for sure which one it is so i can order a birth cert. Thanks for any help Lorna |
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If John James Yates was born after the last census was taken in 1911, then you may have to experiment and buy several birth records before you find the right one. If you are unsure of his age, obtain his marriage certificate first, as this should tell you. |
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| Craig Worrall | 22/11/2011 21:10:22 |
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Hi im looking at tracing my line back further,i've got to my 4th great grandad but cant seem to got back now.His name was Thomas Worrall born around 1806 but this might be wrong from Welchstay Brecknockshire. |
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Good for you! But what do you mean 'might be wrong'? Maybe the censuses and his age at death have given you ambiguous results.At any rate, the next step, as you know where he was born, would be to examine the parish registers there - check with the National Library of Wales to make sure they've got them before you go there. |
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| Denise Lynn Cooper | 22/11/2011 21:09:52 |
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Hi Anthony I have been searching for sometime for any information about my army grt grandfather. His name was Hugh John Hughes married to Ellen Wall (common names) first child Maud born in 1879 India. Other children Charlie (d infancy), Hugh John, Isabella Ellen. He states his nationality as Welsh, service no 898 1st Durham Light Infantry on his daughter Evelyn's (my grandma's) birthcert (1886). Stationed at Allahabad and Poona, India.I have searched all the military records on Find my Past and Ancestry.com. Short of going to the India Office to search are you able to advise on any other records? |
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Well the records of the India Office Library would be indispensable in a case like this! If you cannot go, you could pay a genealogist to search there instead. It's a shame you cannot find this chap's service records. They should exist, so maybe the computerised indexes have misindexed him, for they are not faultless. The original records at The National Archives should be checked. One possible reason for them missing would be if he went on to serve in WW1, for many such papers have been burned - but date-wise that doesn't seem a likely option in this case. |
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| Robert Cleminson | 22/11/2011 21:09:29 |
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My Grt grandfather was William Cleminson ( variously spelt as Clemmeson, Clemieson, Clementson) He appears in the 1941 census in Holbeck with son Charles (under the name Clementson) aged 40. He is recorded as dying in Holbeck in 1847 aged 49. I am unable to trace him back beyond 1841. I have family members with the name Thirkill, and there is a record of a William Clemmeson marrying Mary Thirkell in Coxwold in 1821 but by the 1841 census there is no trace of her or what i believe to be a further son and two daughters. How do I go about finding out if that is the right William Cleminson. |
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The 1841 census. You've done well to realise how many possible spellings there can be here. You want to be searching the parish registers for this one. The area around Leeds is complicated by the existence of big parishes containing many small chapelries, many with their own registers, something you could read up on using the Genuki website. |
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| Jill Bishop | 22/11/2011 21:08:13 |
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I have two proven relatives. One c1410 - 1500 and the other 1564-1659. I am missing a couple of generations between the two and am at a loss as to where I should go to try to find them. The first was Cardinal John Morton the second Bishop Thomas Morton. Any advise would be very welcome |
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If there are a couple of missing generations, then their connection to each other and you can't really be said to be proven, and, unless John became a cardinal later in life (which is possible) then, as a Catholic, one wouldn't expect him to have had children. Having said that, two high ranking clergymen of the sane surname at that period are perfectly likely to be related. Their wills would be a god starting point. They may well be in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, indexed on the National Archives' website under 'Documents Online'. There could very well be a pedigree in existence for such eminent people. Look on the Society of Genealogists' catalogue of printed family histories (on their website) or in the genealogical bibliographies, G.W. Marshall, The genealogists’ guide (4th edn, 1903, repr GPC, 1973); supplemented by J.B. Whitmore A genealogical guide, an index to British pedigrees in continuation of Marshall’s genealogist’ guide repr J.B. Whitmore (1953). |
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| Zara-Jayne Arnold | 22/11/2011 21:03:03 |
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when a marrage certificate has full age on it how do you work out what age they were |
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'Full age' indicates that the people concerned were 21 or more, or, annoyingly, under 21, but lying about their age in order to avoid the need fro parental consent. You can seek their ages from census returns, or their death or burial records. |
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