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Eileen Hickling 20/09/2011 21:55:18

Hi Anthony, when I found my grandma`s 1911 Census, I found she had her age wrong and she had her place of birth mixed up, they had put them the wrong way round. they also put they had been married 9 years in on it but I cannot find the marriage. the first child was born in Hendon. Where can I get a copy of my uncles birth. thank you Eileen

Perhaps some details were recorded incorrectly, but you need to be certain before assuming that something in a census is wrong - after all, they knew better than we do! Maybe the marriage was an army one, not a civilian one. The birth of the uncle may, by the same logic, be in the army births too: both are in this site's 'overseas' section'..

Clifford Hiett 20/09/2011 21:54:08

cannot find my grandfathers 2nd marriage. William George Hiett was married to Eliza Harper in 1894. 1911 census shows her as deserted but still married and shows William married to Annie Goodwin for seven years.

'Deserted' is interesting. But how do you know George married again? Maybe he had one or more later partners, but never married them. Mind you, a name like 'Hiett', could be misspelled in many different ways, so I'm not surprised this man is causing you some problems!

sandra williams 20/09/2011 21:49:56

thankyou anthony, thanks for your help

My pleasure.

Audrey Osman 20/09/2011 21:49:14

Hi Anthony thanks very much for the reply will try that, as regards the uniform the picture has long gone so no luck with tracing the uniform.

Oh, I see - well, as I said, plough through all the Joseph Hammonds, and the right one should appear, assuming he left the army soon afterwards.

Audrey Osman 20/09/2011 21:41:19

Hi Anthony I have been trying to research which regiment my Grandfather was in during the first world war but to no avail. The only clue I have is a picture of him taken in uniform hanging on the wall at my Gran's when I was about 10. He was born in Dewsbury in 1898, his name Joseph Hammond. I have put this into the military records presuming it was a Yorkshire regiment but nothing came up. Can you suggest anything. Kind regards Audrey Weeks

The First World War caused chaos to the standing army, so there is no reason to presume that Joseph must have been in a Yorkshire regiment. If you extend your search right across the army, you're bound to find him. You could, alternatively, ask a military expert like Alan Reid j or Simon Fowler to help you identify his uniform.

Chris Brough 20/09/2011 21:38:51

Hi Anthony, I am completely stumped trying to trace one of my partners family lines and hope you can help. I have the birth certificate of my partners great grandad Albert telford born in 1910 in Carlisle but i cannot find Albert's parents and so are unable to trace any further. I have tried the 1911 census and cannot find them including the address that is listed on the birth certificate. I have tried tracing their marriage but cannot find one. As i don't know their age i cannot look at previous census as there are more than one. Do you have any ideas of where i could look next? Any help is much appreciated. Many Thanks Kind regards Chris

Maybe they are misindexed under Tellford, Telforth or Tetford. If the father was in the army when he married, he may be in the army marriages (in the 'overseas section' on this site). You could seek births of other possible siblings of Albert's in the Carlisle area, or, after September 1911, because the mother's maiden name is listed in the birth indexes, you could seek other siblings anywhere, so as to gain more clues. You can seek possible entries for the parents in 1901 and try to follow them up, eliminating the wrong ones - a few ideas here which I hope will be helpful.

Karen Standring 20/09/2011 21:36:15

How can I continue my search when I keep hitting brick walls? All the names and birth dates I am putting into the search engine are coming up blank, or there is just not enough info for me to know if I have made the right connection

Take several steps back and a big deep breath. Look at the earliest thing that you know for absolute certain - which may be your own date of birth - and then focus completely on taking the next step back, ie, (just to give an example) your birth certificate, to verify your parents' names, the seek their marriage,to learn their ages, then seek their births, and if stuck seek their death records and any other helpful records, such as wills, newspaper announcements and so on, that might add to what you know about them.

sandra williams 20/09/2011 21:32:45

i am awaiting his death cert. should be here tomorrow how could i find out if they had children?

The death record may show that the informant was a child of his. The birth indexes after 1911 are arranged in such a way that you can look up children surnamed Wright with a mother of the right maiden name, so you could make a useful search on that basis.

Eileen Hickling 20/09/2011 21:31:12

Hi Anthony, I have asked before about finding my 4 x great grandparents. I have found people with the same surname and around Derbyshire and they have the same batch number, does this mean they could be a relation or is it because they are in the same area. thanks Eileen

'Batch numbers' are phenomena of the Mormons' International Genealogical Index. Those starting with the letters C A M or P are taken from original records, whilst others may be from a block submission made by a Mormon. You can order the relevant film(s) at your local Mormon Family History Centre. This could be a goldmine of information, OR a complete waste of time, depending on the genealogical abilities of the submitter. Frankly, this could be a futile tangent, and in most cases, you're better off tracing your family using original records.

Irene Deadman 20/09/2011 21:26:13

Hi Anthony, Many thank for your reply! Will try the suggestions you have given me! I appreciate your help. Irene

My pleasure!

Irene Deadman 20/09/2011 21:10:23

Hi Anthony, My gt x 3 Grandfather was Edwin Verrall born c1809 Lewes. Thought I had found out who is father was - George Henry Verrall -but I found that this Edwin Verrall died 1846 and my Edwin Verrall is on the 1851 Census with wife Kezia Pelham! Their marriage cert gives his father as William Pelham a Shoemaker, but I am unable to find any birth registration for my ggg Grandfather, and have no way of finding out about his father. To confuse matters even further, Edwin & Keziah had a son also named Edwin Verrall who died 1846, same year as the Edwin I thought was my ancestor! Any suggestions where I go from here! Many thanks, Irene

Well, first, well done for avoiding the terrible mistake of tracing the wrong ancestors. You could try the Sussex Collection held by the Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies in Canterbury, which is very good for this sort of problem, and also the nonconformist registers (RG4) indexed on the website "The Genealogist", as vast numbers of people in the includes a lot of nonconformist

sandra williams 20/09/2011 21:09:31

sorry i also cannot find a birth cert for john but i know his father and grandfather were both named william george wright

.... PREVIOUS ANSWER, CONTINUED --- what I was attempting to write there was that a vast number of people in the Lewes area were nonconformists at the time. You could, in any case, seek likely marriages, deaths/burials and even a will for William the shoemaker (I presume you meant that his father was William Verrall, not William Pelham). If completely stuck, you could try simply putting together a pedigree of all the Verralls of the Lewes area, and eventually this exercise should show you how your Edwin really fitted in. NEW QUESTION.... I appreciate the problem here, but I'd need a bit more detail (places, dates, etc) to be able to offer any sensible ideas. Please tell me a bit more.

sandra williams 20/09/2011 21:07:45

hi i have been looking for my long lost auntie and need advice. her name is gloria may williams born in 1923 in braunton north devon i have her marriage cert which says she married a john dennis stanley wright in east sheen surrey in 1943, i also have found a death cert for john in 1994 still in surrey i cannot find a death cert for gloria .i have tried looking for children but no luck and no other marriages. my dad died in 2005 and i am determined to find out what happened to her

This lady may have died recently, as only the deaths up to 2006 are indexed online. The later ones can be searched on microfiche, as in the old days, at a very small number of archives, including the London Metropolitan Archives. It is a chink in the glittering armour of computerisation! If she is still alive, she may be in the telephone directories, but if she is in a home, then she may be very hard indeed to trace: you could try contacting whoever was the informant on John's death record, or contacting people living at the address given for him (or neighbours) - or see if he left a will, identifying relatives, who may be contactable.

joanne briggs 20/09/2011 21:02:02

when putting names to my family tree is it best to use maiden names or there married names? thank you

That is a very sensible question: the answer is, you should always use maiden names. For example: John Roberts = Hilda Smith It is sensible when referring to women to use both, ie, "Hilda Roberts, nee Smith".

Alicia Saunders 23/08/2011 22:09:06

Alicia Saunders 23/08/2011 Is there any way to search merchant navy records online as you do the armed forces. other family on my mothers side we have traced to philadelphia usa in 1927 would they be in the 1930 american census,we have found passenger list for them and address they were going to but stuck at that point as not sure what to do next would be greatful for any advice,Alicia

The National Archives have the Merchant Navy records, catalogued in their online catalogue. There are some parts that have been covered by other websites, such as the Merchant Seamen crew lists index 1860-1913, which is on www.findmypast.com. You are right about the 1930 American census - they should be there. Ancestry.com (as opposed to .co.uk) have these very well indexed.

Monique Roberts 23/08/2011 21:57:53

Hi Anthony. I know that my grandmother's brother, Sidney Everington Roberts, was in Dartmoor Prison in June 1933, but how can I find out why please? When I ring the prison they say they have no historical records, but there must be some somewhere. Also, how does one research why someone was sent to jail when you don't know what the crime was, where it was committed, and where the trial took place?

Prison records are divided between local archives (the Devon Record Office in Exeter may have some) and The National Archives. Local (or, if he was very bad, national) newspapers can also be immensely useful in reporting crimes, trials and sentences. The national newspaper library at Colindale has them all. .

Alicia Saunders 23/08/2011 21:56:43

Alicia Saunders 23/08/2011 Thank you for giving me a few options to try out. Alicia

Thank you: many family history problems can be solved pretty much instantly using the on-line records on this site, but harder ones simply need more work: like police detectives, you need to build up profiles on the people you want to 'catch'.

Alicia Saunders 23/08/2011 21:48:38

Alicia Saunders 23/08/2011 the only John Saunders i can find in the censors is in the 1891 as grandson to Charles Saunders then in1901 as nephew to Elizabeth Saunders/muckle dont know if im on the right track,if so still cant get his parents as there is know sign of them as a family. There is no mothers name on marriage certificate,its like he is there by marriage and thats all .Alicia

You don't get mother's names on marriage records, unlike in Scotland. This is a case where you may have to build up 'profiles' of a number of possible Saunders families in the North/South Shields area, in order to work out, by learning more and more about them, which are wrong, and which is right. The censuses and General Registration records between them will allow you to do this, in time.

Dawn Beattie 23/08/2011 21:35:32

Ill go through all my info and contact your email in next 2-3 days with it. Thank you Dawn

Thank you

Alicia Saunders 23/08/2011 21:31:29

Alicia Saunders 23/08/2011 I have the marriage certificate of John Saunders to Elizabeth Anderson jan /10/ 1916 only gives fathers name as John Saunders a seaman,but cant find anything about him or who his parents were. Alicia

Oh good, I see you have got the marriage record. Next, look for his family in the 1911 census, bearing in mind that father (and perhaps son) might be away at sea, but you should find the rest of the family, or you may find several families that could possibly be right: by working back to earlier censuses, you should find young John at home with his mother. You could try all searches under Sanders as well as Saunders, if stuck. An odd thing here is that Saundsers is commoner in southern England, whereas its northern counterpart is Saunderson (which was as common in North Shields as Anderson). I wonder if they may have changed their name from one to the other. Probably not - just a thought.