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| Michele Rogers | 14/06/2011 21:08:56 |
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Hi im trying to find a death certificate of my great aunt Hester Gertrude Agatha Pain nee Laity who lived in Sheffeild but i cant find any thing , ive tried using all her names in each search , she was born in Helston Cornwall , Married in 1905 in Wales , i was told she moved to sheffeild just after she got married , what am i doing wrong ? M ichele |
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Nothing, but you could try looking under Pane instead of Paine, or indeed Paine or Payn/Payne. Perhaps this lady remarried, so will appear first as Hester Pain in the marriages, and then died under her next married surname. |
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| Alice Gunner | 14/06/2011 21:04:11 |
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Help please! I’m having trouble with Frederick William Piercy - according to the ages given on his marriage certificate and the death index, he was born between 1866 and 1868. (born in Dulwich according to the 1911 census). His marriage certificate shows his father as George Piercy, general labourer. The BMD Index shows only one Frederick William Piercy born in Camberwell in 1868 – but that is the wrong Frederick, and his father’s name is not George. I have found a George Piercy who was living in Peckham and who might be ‘my’ Frederick’s father (a general labourer born Peckham c1848) and I have tried looking for Frederick under George’s wife’s maiden name, but with no success. To add to the mystery, I can’t find Frederick in the 1871, 1881 or 1891 censuses. I have tried as many spelling variants of Piercy as I can think of. As Frederick’s father was a general labourer I can’t think of any reason why the family might have been abroad. Frederick’s marriage in 1893 is the first record I have found to show he actually existed! Any ideas about how I might be able to trace Frederick and his father please? Thank you Alice |
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Well, I'm afraid that variant spellings could be at the root of this problem, simple as that, though you could also consider William Frederick instead of Frederick William. Try simply looking for Piercys and variants in the Dulwich census indexes anyway, to try to build up a picture of the broader family in the area. Men seldom went abroad as general labourers, but many general labourers had been soldiers or sailors: your man may appear in the army births, not in the civilian ones. |
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| Karen Jiggens | 14/06/2011 21:02:19 |
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Dear Anthony, I am seeking advice regarding software I can use on an Apple Mac computer to set up my family tree. If possible, I would like it to have the following features: 1. The ability for family members to view this information via the web, but so that only I would be able to 'edit' it. (This should be password protected.) 2. The ability to upload media files (movies, sounds etc.) 3. The ability to import photos and documents & attach them to the appropriate person / record. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Yours, Karen |
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I'm afraid that this is one area in which I genuinely claim no knowledge of any sort. For advice on this matter, I can suggest contacting www.my-history.co.uk, who know a lot about the different sorts of software available. My advice - paper and pencil remains the best! |
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| victoria jenkins | 14/06/2011 21:01:09 |
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Hi Anthony, I am new to all this so I have a few questions if that’s ok. 1) I can go as far as John Jenkins born in 1811 and he married Rachael Jenkins she was born in 1813; but I have now hit a brick wall as Im not sure how to find out John’s Parents can you give me any ideas? Also I cannot find Rachael Jenkins’s maiden name? 2) My grandfather’s Brother John Adams emigrated to Australia in the late 50’s early 60’s I no dates and his wife and son’s name but how do I try and contact them? I would like to know them. 3) My great grandmother‘s father Consiglio Ruocco was born in Minori Italy I would like to find out more about my family in Italy. How do I go about this? Thank you Vicky |
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Having found this family in all possible censuses back to 1841, you need to start searching the parish registers for where they lived, and where she came from, for their marriage and then their baptisms. You may encounter some false possibilities that will need to be eliminated, on the way. 2. The Australian state archives have excellent indexes to incomers. 3. For Italy, as most of Continental Europe, you need the church and civil records of the town concerned. All you want will be in the church and mayor's office at Minori. |
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| Marion Spence | 25/05/2011 22:00:33 |
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Thanks for the reply re the Farquhars - I didn't want to put too much detail the first time, but I have already tried many variant spellings and come up with nothing, and we know at least some of them were in the Sheffield area in 1911 - my Grandfather was married there that year, but for some reason no census details. Any further ideas, please? |
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Again, that could suggest the were out of the country, so perhaps you should try casting the net further afield. A lot depends on what you know about their jobs and so on, of course. |
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| Margaret Smith | 25/05/2011 22:00:16 |
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cant read the names on some of the census records |
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The technique is to look at how the enumerators read words you can read - some of the place names, for example, and compile a code-breaking chart of how he wrote each letter of the alphabet. Then, you should be able to make some progress deciphering the words you cannot read. |
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| Michaela Allen | 25/05/2011 21:48:44 |
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Hello, i have been trying to find my half brother and sister that were adopted years before I was born. My sister received a message from a girl called lisa jane wilkinson who may be our half sister however, this message was sent last year and my sister has only just found it. She replied back to the message but since hasnt had a reply back. I have lisas member number but I cant find any other contact method and I wondered if you could help. |
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This must be an unfortunate and frustrating situation for you. Unfortunately, if this person has decided not to reply to your e-mail, or her e-mail address is out of date, there may be no way of contacting her. There is an official way of encouraging contact, and that is the Adoption Contact Register. . See http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Registeringlifeevents/Birthandadoptionrecords/Adoptionrecords/DG_175603 Using this, you may find her after all. |
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| Karen Jiggens | 25/05/2011 21:47:05 |
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Hi Anthony, I hope you can point me in the right direction ... It has always been thought that my great-grandmother (known as Elizabeth Sladen Hudson, born 1884 - we think!) was left on a doorstep and looked after by a woman known simply as 'Granny Sladen'. I cannot find a birth certificate for her, or find her listed on ANY census forms. The first (and only) official reference to her is on her marriage certificate, where she seems to have 'adopted' the name of 'Sladen Hudson' (perhaps 'Sladen' from her female carer, and 'Hudson' from the carer's husband.) I think the carer (Granny Sladen) was actually her mother, but had Elizabeth out of wedlock before she married Mr. Hudson. Would it have been possible to have a child (maybe illegitimately) and not register it ANYWHERE (birth records and census forms included) ? Any advice would be gratefully received! Many Thanks. |
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Yes, of course babies could slip through the net, but of course if this girl really had been a foundling, and just given the surname Hudson through what was at that stage informal adoption, then there would be a birth record, but you would not be able to find it, and it probably wouldn't be very informative anyway. Try tracing a descendant of one of this Granny Sladen's siblings, and then have a comparative 'family finder' DNA test with them, at www.familytreeDNA.com. This would tell you if you have any of Granny Sladen's blood or not. |
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| Christine Cookson | 25/05/2011 21:42:46 |
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Hi Anthony Thank you for your reply about Samuel Cookson, I have tried to find a death for Samuel without much success. We have compiled the Cookson clans , Cheshire, West Kirby these go into my family both on my fathers side and my mothers side then joining up into each part of the tree (dads Cooksons going int mum's Cookson's) hope you can understand this. But know where can I connect the little clan of Cookson's from the Cronton/St Helens area. I will look at my list again and see what I come up with. Thanks Chris |
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Yes, just about. I see you have considered Samuel's demise already - it is a burial you would be looking for, in the parish registers, rather than a death, and if not in St Helen's, then perhaps you can trace where his children went, and then look for his burial in those places, as old men often went to live with married children. |
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| Grace Simmonds | 25/05/2011 21:42:38 |
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Hello Again Re Alice Keith. I had tried in army records and in Ireland - I did find a Thomas Keith but still no birth records for my grandmother? I am not sure where she was born but she had as far as I knew always lived in Popular, London. |
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Maybe your next step should be Scotland, then. These birth records can be searched at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. |
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| Grace Simmonds | 25/05/2011 21:31:10 |
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Hi Anthony - I have come to a complete halt as far as my grandmother is concerned. I have her name (Alice Violet Leliha Keith) on her marriage certificate aged 27 and her date of birth registered on her death certificate as 23.7.1896 but I am unable to find her actual birth recorded anywhere? My mother has vascula dementia and there is now no one who can help me in the family. I have her father as Thomas Keith a policeman on the marriage certificate. It has been a bit of a story that she was adopted. Just seem to have hit a brick wall - can you give me any pointers? |
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Many policemen started their careers as soldiers, and the births of soldiers are registered separate to those of civilians - see above here, under 'search records' under the label 'overseas records' Actually, many army births relate to births, to soldiers' wives, here in Britain. Otherwise, with a surname like Keith, have you tried looking in Scotland or Ireland? Or you could look for a baptism in wherever you think she was born, and if you don't know that, the 1901 and 1911 censuses should help. |
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| Claire Astell | 25/05/2011 21:11:53 |
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One of my ancestors occupation on his marriage certificate is listed as a BIGGLER, have you any idea what this could be? I have searched on line but can't find any answers. Thank you Anthony, from Claire. |
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No, never, but a HIGGLER was an itinerant merchant, so maybe that is what the word actually says. |
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| Anthony Powell | 25/05/2011 21:11:48 |
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Hi Anthony Reynolds newspaper Sun 3 Jan 1892 contains a report regarding a hearing at Stratford Police Court on Sat 2 Jan 1892 where Martha Reeves a single woman; living with her sister at Leyton, brought an action against my gt grandfather Orlando Powell; a well known musician and composer, to show reason why he shouldn't pay towards the upkeep of their illegitimate child. This is just one of three extra marital assignations of his that I have discovered. The child does not appear either on the 1891 or 1901 census with Martha. With such limited information what are the chances of tracing this child and where should one look? Kindest regards |
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How interesting to be tackling this familiar problem, but from the other direction. I hope the child's descendants are reading this, as they may have been thinking they had no hope of finding who their ancestor's father was! Failing the censuses (what a shame!), you could try the Stratford baptisms, for an illegitimate child of Martha Reeves, or of course the birth indexes: you could list all Reeves births in Stratford about then, and then see how many you can rule out using the censuses, and then buy the other certificates until you find the right one. , |
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| Sonia M McCree | 25/05/2011 21:06:45 |
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I`ve sent youan e-mail regarding my problem pls help ie: Joseph Curtis born in Middx around 1790/1800 who occupation was Gardener No record has been found even on 1841 census daughter Mary Ann born 1826 in Edmondton Enfield married in 1850 to George Ball, said she is 27 he is 25 1881 census she is a year younger, pls see e-mail more details on there. Thanks Sonia |
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I can only go on what you have written here, for now. One question that springs to mind is how you know Joseph was born about 1800, if you cannot find him in the censuses. At any rate, the great thing is not to get ahead of one's self in this game: assuming you have the 185t0 marriage certificate, and you have found Mary Ann in the censuses, confirming her place of birth, you now want to try to find her baptism in Enfield, before even starting to worry about her father's origins. By seeking her baptism, and those of her siblings, you should gain a better understanding of Joseph himself. You could, if stuck, try seeking those siblings in the censuses as well: maybe you will find Joseph living with one of them. |
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| Martin Waldron | 25/05/2011 21:06:41 |
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My grandfather had a second 'wife'. I can find no record of a marriage in the UK and colonies, having checked the usual on line databases. It is just possible they may have married in Europe if that were a simple matter in the 20's and 30's, but is very unlikely they would have strayed beyond Europe. They obtained a joint UK passport in 1945 when they emigrated to Australia, but the Passport Office have assured me they would need a marriage certificate to get this. Have you any ideas how I might resolve this paradox. I would love to know if they were married bigamously. Many thanks, Martin |
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Bear in mind that, inn the British Isles, different General Registration systems exist for Scotland, England and Wales, Northern Ireland, Southern Ireland, the Isle of Man and the different Channel Islands. If they actually did marry in Europe, you could try our British Consular Marriages and the other 'Overseas' marriages, to which you can gain access under the 'search records' label here. Failing all that, you could try newspaper announcements, in their local paper, though admittedly that would be difficult without knowing when the event took place. |
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| Christine Cookson | 25/05/2011 21:02:35 |
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Hi Anthony can I ask you for a wee bit of help maybe to point me in the right direction please..I have tried very hard to get information about ………………….Samuel Cookson What We Know Samuel married Elizabeth Ashton 8 Oct 1782 St Helens Parish Church Lancashire (One witness Isaac Fletcher, an Elizabeth Cookson married an Isaac Fletcher in Huyton by Roby 1774) Son of Samuel and Elizabeth………….. Thomas b 1787 Cuerdley Lancashire (later occp Blacksmith, Cronton area of Lancashire) This is all confirmed and connects to my family. Marriage Samuel of St Helens (family search web site and document) I nfo on Samuel but very confused Born abt 1755 of Ashton Lancashire (from Contact on GR) pts William and Margaret (from a contact) Baptised St Nicholas Liverpool 1756 fth William Mariner, No mothers name given, lived in Liverpool (Shugar House weint (sic) ( a weint was a narrow passage way) according to baptism info. (contact has this info on tree but states born Ashton) Samuel born abt 1757 of St Helens md Elizabeth Ashton (family search.org) Poss 2 children out of Wed lock Ormskirk Lancashire and Ditton Lancashire (Samuel is a Blacksmith) info from National Archives. Please can you help? I have been trying take my family back from Samuel but do not know where to go. There are so many conflicting pieces of information that I do not know how to work out where he would have been born. Contacts on GR have stated he was born in Ashton Lancashire father William ( Can not find a baptism for a Samuel in Ashton though there are other baptisms for years before and after his poss birth year). They have Samuel being baptised in Liverpool but this Samuel’s address on baptism was for Liverpool. On the marriage (family search.org) info it states of St Helens. Does this mean he was just living in St Helens or born in the area. There is no fathers name on any of the marriage information just a possible connection with one of the witness’ who possibly married a Sister of Samuel's (not completely checked out as not sure of the church where married). How do I go about sorting out all the conflicting evidence and find out where Samuel was born?? |
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Glad I got to you at last - the order in the questions appear here is opposite to the order in which they were placed. you ask how to go about sorting out the conflicting evidence. Family Search is not an authoritative source, and (with all due respect to those reading) contacts on this site might be just as in the dark as you are, so if it does not make sense, ignore it and draw up a family tree showing what you have confirmed, for certain, from original registers. Your prime sources here are the St Helen's parish registers. Search the originals, extract all the Cooksons and try to assemble pedigrees of the different families you find. Do not neglect burials: the burial of Samuel himself (as that of Mrs Elizabeth Fletcher) would help you work out the years in which their baptisms should appear - and thus you can edge back, always on sure ground. |
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| Marion Spence | 25/05/2011 21:01:26 |
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Hi Anthony, I've been trying to find my Farquhar relatives, in Liverpool in 1901, in the 1911 census and have had no luck - I tried the Scottish one too in case they'd briefly moved back there, but no sign there either - they cannot have all disappeared - any ideas? |
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Good evening! So, the Farquhars were in Liverpool in 1901, but not to be found in England and Wales, or Scotland, in 1911. First, perhaps they were in 1911, but under a slightly different spelling - or the indexers of the census misread 'Farquhar'. So many possible spellings suggest themselves - try scribbling it down in different styles of handwriting and ask your friends to decipher what they think you have written, and try those spellings instead. Otherwise, they may have gone across to the Isle of Man or Ireland, or perhaps they were having a go at life in the Colonies. Masses of British people spent time in India then, for example. |
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| Gloria Jean Breckon | 19/04/2011 22:14:00 |
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How should we proceed with searching for bmd in federated malayan states? The marriage certificate of an aunt 1924(Burma) we obtained via British Library. We also have her death certificate(LOndon-1931)However we are still searching for the birth of my husband's father- Allen Edgar Alexander Edwards, b 1902? (a mining engineer -Cambourne school of mines/records viewed from early 1920's)We have his marriage certificate(Brazil) and death kia 1942-memorial Singapore. On passenger lists the family are noted as from FMS. Allen's father was Walter North Keville Davies Edwards(FMS) and his mother Marguerite R Edwards(b 1882??)-of Gopeng-Perak Malay States-but we again have no marriage or birth details . After Allen's death Marguerite (and her daughter -in-law and my husband-Stephen Bruce Edwards)resided in South Africa until the early 1950's. Some basic info we have gleaned via NAAIRS but are unsure how best to aquire any real details from the files. However there is also much heresay of Australian connections, and the aunt, Elaine R Edwards/Cloyd was noted as b Brisbane Australia. Searches there have been negative. Apologies for the many continents involved! We hope that the query regarding searches in the FMS, will be the way forward. Our thanks for any guidance you can offer. G Edwards and S B Edwards |
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Sorry you've waited for a long time, only for me not to be sure, of the top of my head. I think the records for British people the Malay States would be in the India Office records (at the British Library). You could also look at The National Archives catalogue, as they have a lot of Anglican records from far-flung parts of the Empire. |
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| Christene Fay | 19/04/2011 22:10:44 |
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My ggrandfather Ernest William Morley-Atkins was born in Punjab, India in 1884 to a British Surgeon (Ernest Morley-Atkins and Ellen Miles). Ernest William committed suicide 26/09/1914 two weeks after his wife died from complications of giving birth to twins my grandmother and great uncle in Cairns, Queensland, Australia. The Matron of the hospital kept in touch with the children after they were adopted and this is the information she passed on. Ernest William entered the Navy in the usual course, at the time when he should have been a Junior Lieuentant his ship was at Teneriffe. The story of Nelson's flag which was kept in the Cathedral drew the attention of some of the young men and they planned to retrieve it. They were caught in the act and arrested by the Spanish. The incident was reported to the British Government and their parents were requested to remove them from the Navy. We beleive he came to Australia aroung 1913 as he is on the 1913 Census in Queensland. We have not been able to find any information previous to this Census record I cannot find any entry into Australia. I have copies of both marriage and death certificates which state his surname is Morley-Atkins. Sorry this is so long Christene |
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In the last question, I should have typed 'off the top of my head'. I can assure readers that I am perfectly sure 'of the top of my head'! What a fascinating story. The records of the British in India are in the India Office collections of the British Library: see http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/india/indiaofficerecords/indiaofficehub.html. The records should contain Ernest's baptism, and you can then work back from that. |
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| Lewis Carter | 19/04/2011 21:57:29 |
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Mmmm. hadn't thought of that.another possible spanner..thanks..LOL keep up the good work,may talk again. thanks lew |
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Sorry- that was just an off-the-cuff thought - not the likeliest of outcomes! |
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