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Leslie Young 21/08/2012 21:01:50

Hello Anthony, I have been researching my wifes family tree for over 10 years, I have managed to get back to 1750, and about 500 people I have no problem going backwards or sideways, my problem is that I now want to find my wifes Mother b. 1932 Plymouth. I know that she married in 1956 in Havordsfordwest Wales when she was a NAFFI assistant ( I have cert and tracked down husbands family, he died in 1983, they said that they had split up after about 3 years but never divorced) ,after this there is no trace of her in the BMD or electoral rolls under either her married or maiden name. We even employed Peopletracer but they were unable to find her. I have also researched on Scotlandspeople website as her husband was Scotish. I have drawn a blank, do you have any ideas on how to find her or trace her movements over the decades?

You must be an unusual man in actually wanting to find your mother-in-law! I am afraid I have no panacea to help you here, though, as your enquiry is really a 'missing persons' one, and you have described a scenario here in which this lady's whereabouts is unknown both to her daughter and to her ex-husband. However, is it a given that her whereabouts would be unknown to any of her own blood relatives. Did she have any siblings, for example, or nephews and nieces? .You never know - one of them may have heard from her. You can also try this: http://www.ic.nhs.uk/services/nhs-adoptions-service/alive-or-deceased-service - which will do no more than confirm whether she is alive - but that should help.

Mary Hart 17/07/2012 23:01:27

Also meant to ask about Ellen Gribben birth her correct birth date is 1856 but in the census i have 1851/ 1861/ 1857/ 1858/ 1859/ 1856, why would this be

It's not unusual to find such discrepancies in ages, given in the censuses. Sometimes, the people themselves got confused (I'm 44, but approaching my 45th birthday, so have started thinking of myself as 45, and sometimes have to think hard about how hard I really am!). Also, often, it was someone else in the family giving the information, and they could of course make all sorts of mistakes. Do remember that many people were illiterate then, so had nothing written down, and could easily get things wrong.

Jan Seymour 17/07/2012 21:57:27

Thank you Anthony, I'll try your suggestions. I have another query: my uncle William Burrage moved to Malta about 40 years ago. The family hasn't heard from him since then and I presume he has died there.Where do I find out about Maltese death records?

And good luck with it! Maltese records are on Malta - you'd be wanting the registrar of births, marriages and deaths. I cannot give you any precise addresses, but you may well find them on www.cyndislist.com.

Mary Hart 17/07/2012 21:45:25

I have quite a number of gribben and also a number of gribbin who seem to be the same people it changes in the census should I change it to one of the names because it gets very confusing. thank you mary

You want to keep a record of exactly how each person's name is spelled in each records you use to piece your family tree together. For the purposes of presenting a clear family tree, it is perfectly acceptable to chose the prevalent spelling, or the one which finally ended up being used, and applying that to all. Having said that, for this website, it may behove you to use the different spellings that crop up for different people in your tree, as then there is more chance of someone searching for your family under a variant spelling to pick up on your presence on the site.

jill earl 17/07/2012 21:37:59

I am trying to find out the date of birth and death of mylate father and having problems

Please tell me a bit more detail

Kathryn Bumford 17/07/2012 21:36:15

One of the children in this family was my grandfather. I have tried to find his birth record but no luck. There are just too many Bumfords! Also first name is very common.

Ah well, maybe this is linked to the same problem - and now you've told me what the surname was. Try writing Bumford in loopy handwriting: you will see quickly how many different interpretations of the penstrokes are possible, by nineteenth century clerks and modern indexers alike. Bamford, Burnford, Bunford... .

Jan Seymour 17/07/2012 21:35:01

Hello Anthony, Through each generation over the past two centuries, (on my mother's side), we have been told that we are descended from Henry Fielding. the novelist. I have traced back as far as William Henry Fielding, born 1812 in London, but cannot prove that he is the son of Henry Fielding's son, William, born 1748. How do I find the relevant information to bridge this gap? Jan Harrold

It's an appealing story, and may of course be correct, or partially correct (maybe you are actually descended from a cousin of the novelist), or completely wrong (once one person tells a story, of course it gets repeated, and Henry Fielding's continued fame ensures the story would not be forgotten). You could approach this by seeking your ancestor William's baptism in London, assiduously - the censuses should indicate exactly where to look - and you could also seek wills for members of Henry's immediate family, to see if they refer to your William. Good luck!

Kathryn Bumford 17/07/2012 21:30:46

Just had a quick search, Anthony, nothing yet but will keep trying. Thanks again

Yes, do persist. Families who are difficult to find often turn out to be much more interesting, and memorable, than those which are.

Kathryn Bumford 17/07/2012 21:18:59

Thank you Anthony, I don't think they changed their name as the same surname is used in the 1881 census when they were just a couple with 1 child. Also I don't think they moved around. They were a coal mining family from s wales. Thanks any way

That is interesting: they had not simply changed from one surname to another. But, you cannot find the family in the 1891 and 1901 censuses, which is what you want, so I'd advise you to keep your mind open to the possibility of their being in those censuses under a different name or, as I suggested, a different spelling of their existing one. You could do what I suggested for another questions this evening - obtain a birth record for one of their children born near 1891 or 1901, and then search the census for that place.

Tina Danton 17/07/2012 21:04:28

hallo anthony,im having trouble finding a birth cert for my grt grandfather Henry Danton born abt 1885 on his wedding cert in 1907 it says he is 22, a builders clerk and resides at 34 inkerman road NW hes father is also henry danton and a solicitor. I have found a solicitor henry danton but no children of the same name or born 1885. Can you advice me what to do next will appreciate any advice

My first reaction reading this is that Danton could easily be mistaken for 'Denton', so I'd suggest looking under that spelling. You could try the 1891 census for the two Henrys, father and son. I'm not sure if you mean that his father Henry was a solicitor, but if so you can check that fact using the annually published Law Lists, available in good genealogical libraries.

Kathryn Bumford 17/07/2012 21:03:40

Hi Anthony, Do you have any tips on how to find a family who were together in 1911 but no record of them before that despite a mother & father and 6 children on that census , some of whom would have been on at least one earlier census eg a daughter who was 26 in 1911 I 've searched all the names mentioned on both the 1901 and 1891 cencus but no records are found. Thanks a lot Kathy

Maybe they were out of England and Wales in earlier census years, elsewhere in the Empire, or in Scotland or Ireland - but if so, you'd expect that to be hinted at by the foreign birth places of their children. Otherwise, maybe they had changed their name - or just changed the spelling subtly, so try variant spellings. If one of the children was born about a census year, do what we used to do in the old days - obtain the certificate, and then search the census for the address where they lived.

Ann Clare 17/07/2012 21:01:58

Hello Anthony, My grandfather's sister died in Johannesburg on 5th May 1953. Do you know of any sites that I could search for an obituary or notice of death? She is mentioned on an MI in Peterhead, Scotland. Many thanks,

If there is a memorial inscription at Peterhead, then maybe a death notice will appear in the local Peterhead newspaper - for which see the at the National Archives of Scotland (www.nls.uk/collections/newspapers/indexes/index.cfm) and the British Library in London (www.bl.uk/catalogues/newspapers). For obtaining records from South Africa itself I suggest you contact my colleague Jean Blanckenberg: : jblanckenberg@netpoint.co.za

Jane Morris 19/06/2012 21:57:55

Many thanks Anthony for that valuable bit of advice.....sometimes I can't see the wood for the trees!! I've got back to 1476 with this family and it just annoys me that I can't find a relatively recent death certificate!! Back to the drawing board!!

.... or write your £37 cheque - I maintain that going to great lengths to avoid buying a GRO certificate is generally a false economy - however annoying and perhaps unfair it is that the GRO charge so much for them.

ken Compton 19/06/2012 21:53:22

Hi Anthony, I spoke to you earlier about Della Fenton unfortunately Roscommon have no records on Della nor her parents David Fenton and Mary Grant . I have tried some Catholic Parish Records through Genes but I am unable to find anything yet, I have been searching since last August for the Birth/ Baptise Certificates, this is why I have turned to you for help

In that case you've already been to the horse's mouth, but I'm curious to know how you know the parents' full names if you don't have the birth record. Maybe you will find it there, but indexed as Adela, Delia or Delilah. Or, yes, you can try Catholic baptisms, if you know exactly where to look: no Irish Catholic baptisms are on this site, but there's an increasingly good coverage on http://www.rootsireland.ie .

Jane Morris 19/06/2012 21:52:19

Hi again Anthony, is it possible to find death records (at the place where the person was laid to rest for instance) before sending off for a death certificate? I don't know the exact place where my grandfather died although I have narrowed it down to about four different records! I have no problem in going anywhere to look at them rather than send off for four which may be the wrong ones! (if you see what I mean?!!) Many thanks again!

You can ask the local registrars in each place (though they'll likely charge you too) or seek a will instead, or a death notice in a local newspaper (some are on this site) or if you can guess the actual place, you can seek a burial record - but you don't. Travelling to four different areas would cost you hundreds of pounds. Four certificates will cost you £37, and if you order them one at a time you may be lucky first or second (or third) time.

Ricky Gocmen 19/06/2012 21:43:55

I have found the birth record of my great grandmother, however i do not know how to find out her parent from this i only have her mothers maiden name, i dont not know her mother first name or her fathers how can i find this information

I think you have probably what we term a 'short birth certificate' that has no spaces for parents' names at all. If so, order a full one, that costs £9.25, from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

Ann Julia Apps 19/06/2012 21:43:14

Many thanks Julia

My pleasure

Ann Julia Apps 19/06/2012 21:33:59

Hi I have my grandfathers birth certificate he was born in Culcavey Blaris, Antrim in 1881, where can I send it to get the rest of his family as I know he had siblings. I have tried and been looking for about 2 years and to no avail. Also how do you go about getting someone in Ireland to look for you. Thanks Julia

There are two options here: you can use (Northern) Irish civil registration records (Registrar General of Northern Ireland, Oxford House, 49-55 Chichester Street, Belfast, BT1 4HL, 028 90 252000, www.groni.gov.uk) to seek siblings and trace the family line back, or you could use the church registers (Catholic or Protestant) as appropriate. For genealogists there you can use Association of Ulster Genealogists and Record Agents or I can organise it for you - send me some more details at mail@anthonyadolph.co.uk.

Bryan Dugdale 19/06/2012 21:28:59

Hi Anthony, My grandparents, (Isaiah Danks and Emma Porter) he died in 1893. My Grandma remarried in 1902 to Peter Hall. Between these dates, Grandma gave birth in 1899 to a son, Lawrence. I have been unable to trace the father. What is the correct way to show this in my family tree? Also, is it possible to show Maiden and Married names in the same box? Regards, Bryan

The best way here would be to add Lawrence as Emma's son, and show the father as an unknown partner. If you were drawing it out on paper I'd advise putting Isaiah on Emma's left, the unknown man below her, and the second husband on the right. It is worth bearing in mind that Lawrence's father might always have been the man who later became the second husband: maybe he could not marry Emma until, say, his own first wife had died.

DENISE clarke 19/06/2012 21:21:32

Hi Anthony I have an old photograph in which the elderly female subject is wearing a white puffy looking cap. She is sitting in a garden, and I wonder if you could make an estimate as to the date this may have been taken. It would help to identify the lady.

If I could see it I'd be happy to try to help! Can you e-mail it to me at mail@anthonyadolph.co.uk and then send me a message via this message box to tell me you've done so, so I can reply.