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Tracing Mark Goldstein


Published on 16 Jun 2011 17:10 : mark goldstein : 15 comments : 4067 views

I am Estelle and I have been working for Genes Reunited since 2004. I am also a keen genealogist and have been tracing my own family history since 1995. Needless to say this job is like a dream come true working for a family history website!

I was lucky enough to have my paternal Grandad around till December 2003 when he passed away at the ripe old age of 96. I used to spend hours listening to him tell me stories about his childhood and our family. I made sure I wrote everything down and this helped me enormously when I began my research.

I started by ordering the birth certificates of my four grandparents. This gave me the names of both sets of parents, including the mother’s maiden name. I was most interested in my paternal grandmother Sarah Nadine Goldstein(pictured age 21). Her surname suggested she was of Jewish descent and I have always been interested in Jewish history so I decided to try and trace this line.

I found out that her father was a Mark Goldstein and her mother was Ethel Blyth from Southampton. Grandad told me that Grandma and her sister Aunt Leah were left with guardians in Boston, Lincolnshire when they were young. My Grandma sadly passed away in 1975 so I wasn’t able to ask her anything. All my Grandad knew was that apparently there was a newspaper advert asking for someone to look after them. They were left with Wilson Copping and his sister and they were told their parents would send for them once they had settled. This never happened.

I then sent for a copy of Mark and Ethel’s marriage certificate (Grandma’s parents). This provided me with some interesting information. I found out that Mark was 35 and Ethel was only 19 when they married. I also found out that they got married a month AFTER Grandma was born! My first family scandal.

A few years after I found out this information we got our first computer. This meant I no longer had to trail through various indexes and microfiches at the Public Records Office. I had a look at the 1881 census that was now online but this didn’t really help me. I had reached a massive brick wall!

So, I left this side of the family for a while and concentrated on the rest of the tree. I came back to it in 2003. By now, there were several family history sites on the internet, including Genes Connected (as we were known back then). I went to our Community section and asked for help. One lady came back and she had found a Mark Goldstein on a passenger list to New York. I had a look at the document and was sure it was him as he was going to stay with his brother-in-law George Blyth, who’d been a witness at Mark and Ethel’s wedding. The most exciting part of the document though was that it told me Mark had stayed with his brother, Mr L Goldstein in Liverpool before leaving for New York. This taught me one of the most valuable lessons I have learnt whilst researching my tree. If you hit a brick wall in your tree go sideways and try looking for siblings and trace their families instead.

I went on to find Mark’s brother Louis in the recently published 1901 census living in Liverpool. I went back to the Genes message boards for more help. Someone suggested I try the National Archives for naturalisation records. From the census I know that Louis was Polish. So I had a look and found a possible entry for Louis. There was a Lewis Goldstein who was naturalised in Liverpool in 1902. I immediately ordered this document and received it as an email attachment within a few hours. What on earth did we do before the internet?

As I read the document there were tears in my eyes. There’s been a lot of talk in the Genes office recently of ‘goosebump’ moments and this was definitely mine. The details of Lewis Goldstein’s wife and children matched those of the Louis I had found in the 1901 census. I could finally know a little more about the Goldstein side of my family. I learnt the names of Mark and Louis’ parents - Simon and Sarah. So my Grandma was named after her own Grandma! I also found out that they came from Kalisz near Lodz. More research has shown me that there was mass emigration from Poland to the UK in the 1880’s when the Jews were wrongly accused of the assassination of Tsar Alexander II. This resulted in anti-Semitic feeling. Times must have been hard for my Great Grandfather and his family.

I have continued to find out more about Lewis Goldstein and his family but have yet to discover what happened to Mark and Ethel. They never sent for or contacted my Grandma and her sister. But I won’t give up my search and one day I hope to find out where they went and what happened to them.

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by AnninGlos on 22 Jun 2011 17:39 :
Estelle what a very interesting part of your tree that is. I am not surprised that you had 'goose bumps'.

It is great to know that you can empathise with the members on here with our research. Thank you for sharing with us. And your paternal grandmother was lovely.

Ann(inGlos)
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by TootyFruity on 22 Jun 2011 20:11 :
Thank you Estelle for sharing your family story. How sad for your grandmother and her sister. Your photograph of your grandmother is wonderful.
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by SylviaInCanada on 22 Jun 2011 21:20 :
Estelle, Thank you for sharing your story. Your grandmother was a beautiful woman.

I hope that you manage to solve the puzzle of Mark and Ethel.

Do you think that Mark might have been married before? 35 was rather old for a first marriage.


sylvia
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by Estelle on 23 Jun 2011 10:02 :
Thanks so much for your lovely comments ladies. I am pleased you enjoyed it.
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by lainie39 on 2 Jul 2011 19:27 :
Hi Estelle,

You have probably, since you began you blog found this information?

GOLDSTEIN, Mark Head Married M 39 1872 Master Tailor Resident VIEW
GOLDSTEIN, Ethel E Wife Married F 25 1886 Hampshire Southampton

Registration District: Liverpool Sub District:
Abercromby Enumeration District: 13
Parish: Liverpool

Address:
1 Oxford Street Liverpool County:
Lancashire

The census states that they had been married for 7 years and that Mark was working on his 'own account' it also records that his Nationality is Polish.

If you need anymore help with your family history - just post onto the boards! The members of this site are extremely helpful - in fact I feel that it is the best genealogy forum!!!
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by Estelle on 1 Aug 2011 12:14 :
Hi Lainie, I have just spotted this - thanks! I had seen that info in the 1911 census. His brother was living next door at number 3. I do use the boards from time to time and do agree that you are all extremely helpful.
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by Yvonne on 9 Aug 2011 17:07 :
Hi Estelle
Thank you for your blog i enjoyed reading it you have helped me a lot as i am only at the beginning .
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by Frank on 16 Aug 2011 20:32 :
Hi Estelle, I understand you are in charge of Customer Service. I wrote the following email on Juky 26 and I have received no reply:

"I used 5 credits to try see one of the new records. However my browser hung up as per the attached and the record never did download. Please either send me the record (email) or refund the 5 credits."

My email was addessed to "info@genesreunited.co.uk" because that it is the address on the email I got telling us about the new records.

Please reply by email to me:

I think the Home Page of your website should give an emailaddress for questions and complaints

Frank Rooks
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by Frank on 16 Aug 2011 20:34 :
Hi Estelle, I understand you are in charge of Customer Service. I wrote the following email on JULY 26 and I have received no reply:

"I used 5 credits to try to see one of the new records. However my browser hung up as per the attached and the record never did download. Please either send me the record (email) or refund the 5 credits."

My email was addessed to "info@genesreunited.co.uk" because that it is the address on the email I got telling us about the new records.

Please reply by email to me:

I think the Home Page of your website should give an email address for questions and complaints

Frank Rooks
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by Colin on 9 Oct 2011 03:00 :
Hi Estelle

Can you tell me what if any process is there for me to take against a person who has opened a request for information and then does not reply?
Normally I would dismiss them as being idiosyncratic but this particular person may hold extremely important information to me about my grandfather who I have been trying to actively trace over many, many years.
If you could intercede on my behalf it would be appreciated. If you can I will respond to you in a more private area giving fuller details. If for some reason this person feels threatened by the information I have you can rest assured that I do not want it to use in any detrimental way to her or any of her/my family..
I'm sorry to burden you with this request but from details posted about our team you seem to be the best person to advise me on my next step.
Regards.......................colin
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by Colin on 17 Oct 2011 16:11 :
hello Is there any body there?
...........colin :-S
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by Curran on 13 Jun 2012 20:38 :
Estelle, I hope to get a reply. Your company addresses me as Curran Ronald when it should be reversed. My name is Ronald Curran. This anomaly started about two years ago. I have written about it before to no avail. Could you please see that this is corrected. It might also be helpful to know how it happened, and oblige, Ron Curran
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by john on 10 Nov 2012 19:18 :
hi this site is a waste of time u have not found people i am looking for and its a waste of money if i dont get results i will want my money refunded
john morrison
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by JustJohn on 7 Jul 2013 13:50 :
Estelle. I have just read your blog for first time and I found it absolutely fascinating. And very well written, may I add. It really drew me in.

Have you pursued the possibility that Mark lost his young wife before he went to USA? And does he show up on USA censuses, which I think are available up to 1940 on line now. Possibly he had a second family in America.

Can you persuade WDYTYA to run with Mark Goldstein? Think it would be fascinating, and you would get a free holiday in Lodz :-0. My old boss in Tesco (Sir Jack Cohen born 1898) was the son of a Polish tailor who settled in Hackney about same time as your Golstein family left Poland (name of father was Abrahim Kohn) after one of these pogroms. Houses were 3 storey with tailoring done on top floor. Don't know if Oxford St (which i think was right in centre of Liverpool) was of similar construction.

You may enjoy reading "Jews in Business" by Maurice Corina. Jack Cohen and one or two others had very similar backgrounds.
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by JustJohn on 10 Jul 2013 07:41 :
Sorry, Maurice Corina was Jack Cohen's biographer. Book I am thinking of is:
Aris, Stephen (1970), ": Sir John Cohen", The Jews in Business, London: Penguin Books (Pelican), ISBN 0 14 02 1629 4