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I am trying to find Rowell's before 1815 or after 1851, name's in fam. so far; Daniel his wife Jane, their son Jacob his wife Isabella, their dau. Alice her husband James Edgar Holliday [he died in c.1839 she re-married David Dean, she had 2 dau's to James, Jane Ann & isabella Edgar Holliday, they all belonged Hexham/Ovingham area's, Isabella move's to Lancashire with some of her fam. & also her 2 granddau's Jane & Isabella, I think she did go back to Northumberland. Don't know what happened to Jane, but Isabella married to William Parkinson @ Wigton in Cumberland he belonged Lancashire, but the fam. has been in Cumberland/Cumbria ever since, can anyone help fill in the blanks? Joan

Please don't be upset with me, but I am going to separate out your text, as I find it very difficult to understand as you have posted it


I am trying to find Rowell's before 1815 or after 1851,
name's in fam. so far;

Daniel and his wife Jane,

son Jacob and his wife Isabella,

dau. Alice her husband James Edgar Holliday [he died in c.1839 she re-married David Dean),

she [Alice] had 2 dau's to James, ------Jane Ann & isabella Edgar Holliday,

they all belonged Hexham/Ovingham area's,

Isabella [??Rowell] move's to Lancashire with some of her fam. & also her 2 granddau's Jane & Isabella, I think she did go back to Northumberland.

Isabella [????Edgar Holliday] married to William Parkinson @ Wigton in Cumberland he belonged Lancashire, but the fam. has been in Cumberland/Cumbria ever since,

Don't know what happened to Jane, but

can anyone help fill in the blanks? Joan



is that correct???



sylvia

for reference ..... here's Isabella's marriage registration


Marriages Sep 1859 (>99%)

Holliday Isabella Odgen Wigton 10b 537
Holliday Isabella Edgar Wigton 10b 537
Parkinson William _aller Wigton 10b 537
Parkinson William Walter Wigton 10b 537



The transcriber's obviously had difficulty with the image!




sylvia

and for reference again ....... the family on the 1851 Census


1851 Census

Name: Isabella Rowell
Age: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1789
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: N

Civil parish: Cheetham
Ecclesiastical parish:Collegiate
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Cheetham

Isabella Rowell 62 Widow, no occupation shown
John Rowell 22 b.ca 1829, Alnwick, Northumberland, Son, Salesman in Warehouse
Daniel Rowell 18 b.ca 1833, Wylam, Northumberland, Son, Apprentice
Jane A Holliday 16 b.ca 1835, Wylam, Granddaughter, Visitor, Nursery Governess
Isabella Holliday 14 b.ca 1837, Wylam, Granddaughter, Scholar

Address:- 6 Irwell St


In fact ... the writing is poor, and the two girls could in fact be GOD daughters



sylvia

and also for refernece purposes ........ remembering that ages of people over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census


1841 Census

Name: Isabella Rowell
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Female
Where born: Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Ovingham
Hundred: Tindale (East Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Bywell

Jacob Rowell 55 b.ca 1786, Northumberland, Tailor and Innkeeper
Isabella Rowell 50
Mary Rowell 20 b.ca 1821 Northumberland
John Rowell 12
Daniel Rowell 8
Elizabeth Rowell 7 Mo



sylvia

Isabella died just before the 1871 Census

Name: Isabella Rowell
Estimated birth year: abt 1789
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 82
District: Hexham
County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 171 (click to see others on page)



sylvia

I wonder if this could be Isabella in 1861 ....... with the enumerator badly mis-hearing ehr name????



1861 Census

Name: Isabella Rule
Age: 73
Estimated birth year: abt 1788
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ellingham, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Close House and Houghton
Town: Close House and Houghton
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Castle Ward
Sub-registration district: Stamfordham

Isabella Rule 73 Retired Publican




just a thought!!!




sylvia

??? did Jane Ann marry??


1861 Census

Name: Jane A Noble
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Ovingham, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: East Murton
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Easington

William Noble 28 b.ca 1833, Allendale, Northumberland, Schoolmaster
Jane A Noble 26

Address:- 20 Plantation Row





??? the marriage registration


Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%)

Holliday Jane Ann Easington 10a 405
NOBLE William Easington 10a 405



1871 Census

Name: Jane Ann Noble
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Ovingham, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: East Murton
Ecclesiastical parish: Dalton le Dale
Town: Murton Colliery
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Easington

William Noble 28 Elementary Schoolmaster
Jane Ann Noble 35
Wilhelmina E Noble 9
Mark A Noble 8
Alicia B Noble 7
Hubert A E Noble 3
Adeline B Noble 1
Mary E Hartis 16 General Servant

Address:- Plantation Row


1881 Census

Name: Jane Ann Noble
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: ...Gham ((Allendale)), Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Eldon
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: The Vicarage
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Auckland
Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland

William Noble 48 Vicar of Eldon
Jane Ann Noble 46
Wilhelmina E. Noble 19
Mark A. Noble 18
Hubert A.E. Noble 13
Adeline J.B. Noble 11
Sparke H. Noble 8
Mary Emmerson 24 Servant



1901 Census

Name: Jane A Noble
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Wylam, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Eldon
Ecclesiastical parish: Eldon St Mark
Town: Eldon
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Auckland
Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland

William Noble 68 Clergyman of C of E
Jane A Noble 66
Adeline B Noble 31 Hospital Nurse
Spark H Noble 28 Dispenser in Medical Profession
Laura E Foster 28 Visitor
Mary J Jackson 22 General Domestic Servant

Address:- The Vicarage, Eldon




sylvia

Hi Sylvia Thanks for this how did you find Jane Ann's marrage I did'nt know if she stayed in Lanc.'s went to Cumberland the same as her sister or went back to Northumberland. Did you find anything after the 1851 census for Alice & David Dean? I can not find them anywhere. I have a lot to fillter through of Jane Ann's fam. Thank's again. Joan

Hi Joan

I found the marriage on www.freebmd.org.uk


that's a free site, the official place to find bmds from the start of registration in England and Wales on July 1 1837 to the present day ........... they are currently up to about 1945 or 1950, and volunteers are working hard to get the bdms upto 1983 onto the site.




sylvia

I'm having rpoblems with Alice and David Dean and James Edgar Holliday


is this by any chance Alice and James marriage??? It's from the Internationale Genealogical Index on www.familysearhc.rog, the Mormon site


I know it says Howell ......... but it is the closest I have come!


James Cayar Holliday Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: Alice Howell Family
Marriage: 08 SEP 1834 St John Parish, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M019853 Film




I can't find any trace of a marriage with David Dean, nor find them on a census




sylvia

So this is where you got David Dean from?

1841 England Census
Name: Isabella Halliday
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Ovingham
Hundred: Tindale (East Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Bywell
Household Members:
Name Age
David Dean 30 - Engineer J.
Alice Dean 25
John Craven 20
Jane Halliday 6
Isabella Halliday 4
The surname is definitely Halliday.

Next page to Jacob & Isabella Rowell. Looks like David may have come from Scotland.


Marriages Sep 1840
BELL Jacob Hexham 25 246
BELL Joseph Hexham 25 246
DEAR David Hexham 25 246 <<<<<
HALLIDAY Alice Hexham 25 246 <<<<<
ROBSON Elizabeth Hexham 25 246

Ozi

that's great!!

I hadn't got as far as trying a different spelling




sylvia

????
1861 England Census
Name: David Dear
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Greenwich
Town: Greenwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 3 St Alphage Place

Occupation: Engine fitter

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich West
Household schedule number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
David Dear 50
Margaret Dear 43 - Falmouth, Cornwall
Emlie Dear 13 - Deptford, Kent
Helen Dear 11 - Greenwich, Kent
Jean Dear 9 - Greenwich, Kent
James Dear 6 - Greenwich, Kent
Alfred Dear 3 - Ashford, Kent

1851 England Census
Name: Helen Dear
Age: 1 3 Mo [15 months on image]
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenwich, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Greenwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: Bridge St

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich West
Household schedule number: 105
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Dear 39 - Working Enginerr; Scotland [David on image.]
Margaret Dear 35 - Falmouth
Margaret Dear 7 - scholar; Northumberland <<<<<<
Emily Dear 3 - Greenwich
Helen Dear


?????
Deaths Jun 1845
DEAR Alice Newcastle Tyne 25 244


Deaths Mar 1865
DEAR David Greenwich 1d 540

Deaths Mar 1870
Dear Margaret 55 Greenwich 1d 570

I think 7 year old Margaret may be the daughter of Margaret before her marriage, and not necessarily the daughter of David. All these children are probably no relation to the Rowells.

Sylvia - I just checked the DUR BTs (image 333 of 687) and the image reads:
James Edgar Holliday of this Parish and Alice Rowell of the Parish of Ovingham
by Licence
Witn: Jacob Rowell, Jonathan Story
Rest is as per your post

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#

DUR BTs - Ovingham (image 296 of 595)
Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of Ovingham
in the County of Northumberland in the Year 1815
[Entry] No 167 July 30th; Alice D of; Jacob & Isabel; Rowell; [Abode=] Wylam; [Trade=] Taylor; [J. Birkett]

Hi mgnv Thanks for the info you've got a lot further than me, I'll try & look for Alice's mother's maiden name if I find there marriage. I did find Jacob's baptism in Allendale nr Haxham Northumberland he was the son of Daniel & Jane so I have Jane's maiden name to find too, should keep me quite for a while!!! Joan

Hi Sylvia Thank's for all the help I feel I'v jumped way ahead in a very short time, I found Jane & Wm Nobel on the 1891 census, & found all the baptism's so I know most of the middle name's some of which are unusual to say the least, as follow's Wilhelmina Edgarina, Mark Athel, Alicia Beatrice Hubert Arthur [E?], Adeline Jane Blander & Sparke Hughow, see what I mean! I also found Wm died@ the end of 1909 aged 77yrs & I think I've found Jane's death @ the begining of 1919 aged 83yrs, her sister Isabella Edgar [Parkinson] died @ the end of 1916 aged 79yrs in the Carlisle area [Cumberland] Isabella's son Wm Frederick was the only fam she had left alive even though I can't find him on the census after 1891. Joan

Hi Ozi I did get the info you found but no other info since this so I am thinking they must have died before the next census & I have'nt yet found if maybe the spelling, as it took me 5yrs to find another relative that the spelling was translated totally wrong but when you seen the census it was on I could read it no problem, I think the translator must have been tired !! Thanks for the input. Joan