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Sally Argent looking for any records on John Breen

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WDYTYA

WDYTYA Advisor Report 23 Feb 2013 11:58


Born approx 1830, possibly married to Bridget Learokiln born 1832 - we know he had children Bridget Breen 1851, James Breen 1852, Simon Breen 1853, Delia Breen 1854, Margaret Breen 1863, John Breen 1865

In 1857 John, Bridget and daughter Bridget sailed on the Indiana in Australia.
We'd appreciate your help!! thank you all for your help so far.
Sally has been given the URL of this posting and will check for replies when she gets home

Joy Kentish Maid

Joy Kentish Maid Report 23 Feb 2013 12:12

As you know the names of some of the children, it would be helpful, please, if you would give the approximate geographical location of the birth of the children. Thank you.

Gins

Gins Report 23 Feb 2013 12:41

Daughters amrriage and death


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Margt Kennedy
Name: Margt Kennedy
Death Place: Dandenong, Victoria
Age: 73
Father's Name: John Breen
Mother's name: Bridget Learchlin
Registration Year: 1937
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 12531
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Margaret Breen
Name: Margaret Breen
Spouse Name: James Kennedy
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1880
Registration number: 628

LindainHerriotCountry

LindainHerriotCountry Report 23 Feb 2013 12:46

They left from Liverpool, not that it helps much

Name: Bridget Breen
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Age: 25
Arrival Date: 1 Jul 1857
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Indiana
Nationality: Irish

His nationality is given as Irish as well

One of the children was baptised in Liverpool, assuming it is the correct child, it may not be as I can't see the others born before they left

Name: James Breen
Birth Date: 9 Sep 1852
Baptism Date: 19 Sep 1852
Parish: St Mary's
Father's Name: James Breen
Mother's name: Bridget Breen

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 23 Feb 2013 18:38

This is the only child called Bridget that I can see:

Births Jun 1854 (>99%)
BREEN Bridget Liverpool 8b 28

There's a John Breen on the 1851 census born in Ireland in 1825, at Liverpool St. Martins.

John Breen 26 Ireland Liverpool, St Martins
Catherine Breen 27 Ireland Liverpool, St Martins
Margaret Breen 11 Ireland Liverpool, St Martins
James Breen 0 Liverpool Liverpool, St Martins
(FMP has James as John).
The children's names are right but the ages are all over the place so it may just be coincidence.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Feb 2013 03:55

Is this the OP's James Breen??



Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906 about James Breen

Name: James Breen
Birth Date: 7 Dec 1854
Baptism Date: 24 Dec 1854
Parish: St Peter's Priory
Father's Name: John Breen
Mother's name: Bridget Breen



The trouble is ................ there is also this one, with father James and mother Bridget, and the date of birth given by the OP ................


Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906 about James Breen

Name: James Breen
Birth Date: 9 Sep 1852
Baptism Date: 19 Sep 1852
Parish: St Mary's
Father's Name: James Breen
Mother's name: Bridget Breen

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 24 Feb 2013 04:02

A Public Family Tree says that Bridget Learchlin was born in Ireland in 1832 .......


....... and died in 1937, age 105

John Breen was also born in Ireland



and Margaret Breen was born in 1863 in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia




sylvia

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 24 Feb 2013 10:04

We really need to know where Sally got her information. to check it..... but I don't think that will happen.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Feb 2013 11:55

There were a number of Bridget Breens arriving in Australia in the 1850s so would be easy to mix records up. If Sally ever gets back to this thread more info is needed.

Sally

Sally Report 24 Feb 2013 18:43

Thanks so much for the posted information. I was at the Who Do You Think You Are Exhibition in London yesterday when they showed me how to use the Board. The information I have so far was supplied by someone in Australia who has a family member who married Margaret Breen. I am trying to find my Irish Great Grandfather connection but have so far hit a brick wall.

My Grandfather is John Patrick Breen born 25.12.1865 in Isle of Mile. He married a Frances Emily O'Neil who was born in Manchester in Sept 1867 and married on 01.11.1891 in Woolwich, UK. I have their Marriage Certificate. She died on 11.03.1947 in Woolwich, UK.

Through the contact in Australia, I was told that John Breen had a number of siblings and his parents were also John Breen born c1830 and Bridget Learoklin born c1832. I understood from my Father, who is now deceased, that they were Irish. I was told the following information regarding the siblings:

Bridget Breen - born c1851 in Ireland - no information on where?

James Breen - born c1852 in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia. He was a jockey who had a fatal fall in South Australia on a horse called Trump on 12.07.1879. His widow (no known information) had money raised for her according to Sydney Morning Herald 14.07.11879.

Simon Breen - born c1853 in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia. He was apparently also a jockey who died in a riding accident. No confirmation of this though.

Delia Breen - born c 1854 in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia. No other info known

Margaret Breen - born c1863 in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia. She married James Kennedy on 05.02.1880 in Sale, Victoria, Australia and died on 15.01.1937 at Dandenong, Australia

Thanks again and I really appreciate your help.
Sally :-)

Gins

Gins Report 24 Feb 2013 18:55

What about this one for James


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Margaret Jane Cocksedge
Spouse Name: James Breen
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1871
Registration number: 141

Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007
Name: Margaret J Breen
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: 1845
Death Date: abt 1915
Late Residence: Coongulmerang
Burial Date: 19 Jul 1915
Cemetery: Bairnsdale Cemetery
Section: Lawn
Cemetery Location: Bairnsdale, Victoria
Register Number: 684
Occupation: Post Mistress

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 19:54

Looks like she was known as Emily

1911 Address: 7 Union Street Woolwich
BREEN, John Head Married M 45 1866 Grinding War Material Isle of Mile
BREEN, Emily Wife Married20 years F 43 1868 Woolwich
BREEN, Mabel Daughter F 13 1898 Woolwich
BREEN, Maud Daughter F 11 1900 Woolwich
BREEN, Clara Daughter F 8 1903 Woolwich
BREEN, John Son M 5 1906 Woolwich
BREEN, Lenard Son M 3 1908 Woolwich

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 19:57

1901 Address: 13, Union Street, Woolwich
BREEN, John Head Married M 35 1866 Foreman Foundry
Isle of Wight
BREEN, Emily Wife Married F 32 1869
Plumstead, London
BREEN, Gertrude Daughter F 9 1892
Charlton, Kent
BREEN, Mabel Daughter F 3 1898
Woolwich, Kent
BREEN, Maudie Daughter F 1 1900
Woolwich, Kent
MARCHBANK, Richard Boarder Married M 40 1861 Compositor Print
England N K
BREEN, Ethel Daughter F 7 1894
Woolwich, London

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 20:00

1891 Address: 6, Ann Street, Woolwich
BREEN, Mary Head Widow F 67 1824
Blind Ireland (Big variant in Mary's age)
BREEN, Thomas Son Single M 26 1865 Arsenal Labourer
Gosport, Hampshire
BREEN, John Son Single M 25 1866 Arsenal Labourer
Sandown Fort, Hampshire
BREEN, Susan Daughter Single F 24 1867
Plymouth, Devonshire

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 20:01

1881 Address: 11, Rush Grove St, Woolwich
BREEN, Mary Head Widow F 35 1846 Laundress
Ireland (Big variant in Mary's age)
BREEN, Thomas Son Single M 16 1865 General Labourer
Devonport, Devon
BREEN, John Son Single M 15 1866 General Labourer
Gosport, Hampshire
BREEN, Susan Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Isle of Wight, Hampshire

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 20:03

1871 Address: York Road Sandown Barracks, Brading, Sandown
BREEN, Mary Head F 28 1843 Ireland (Big variant in Mary's age)
BREEN, Thomas Son M 7 1864 Hampshire
BREEN, John Son M 6 1865 Hampshire
BREEN, Susan Daughter F 3 1868 Devon

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 20:08

It looks like the Australian connection does not fit here.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 20:32

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Susan Breen
Name: Susan Breen
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Thomas Trevor
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Oct 1891
Parish: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: John Breen -gunner Royal Artillery
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Trevor -butcer
Register Type: Parish Register
both of 6 Rushgrove.
witnesses John Breen
Emily O'Neill

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 20:58

1901 Address: 53, Station Road, Plumstead
TREVOR, Thomas Head Married M 34 1867 Arsenal Laborer
Pues, Shropshire
TREVOR, Lucas Wife Married F 31 1870
Devonport, Devonshire
BREEN, Thomas Boarder Single M 35 1866 Arsenal Laborer
Gosport, Hampshire
CURRAN, James Boarder Single M 30 1871 Arsenal Laborer
India

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 21:13

Marriages Dec 1891
Breen John Woolwich 1d 1945
O'Neil Emily Woolwich 1d 1945