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Its a mystery!!! please help me!!

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Lisa Report 12 May 2008 22:33

Forgot to add, as Richard suggested last wk, to clarify i have the right person would it be possible for anyone to double check the issue i have with Joan Welbourns possible father...

I know he was Joe White Welbourn, and he used to live at 40 West Terrace, Hucknall, Notts in 1921 but when i looked at the 1901 has a Joe 'While' Welbourn aged 12 living at Great North Lodge, Newstead Priory. Could this be an admin error?? Would like to make sure i have the right one before i proceed!

Much appreciated if anyone has time!


was plain ann now annielaurie

was plain ann now annielaurie Report 12 May 2008 22:44

It seems then that the divorce I found was his. Might be worth looking at that.


Lisa Report 12 May 2008 23:23

Hi Ann, thankyou!
i just ordered a copy. didnt realise u could view divorces too. thats a great site..



jansmith Report 13 May 2008 05:57

the index has been hand written at the bottom of the page in 1938
Kausman Sheila M
mmn Martin
s/40 (for page and think this relates to sept 1940) someone may know why this was indexed like that


jansmith Report 13 May 2008 06:03

Yes looks like she was Martin
Sheila M
MMN Martin
for page see S,40


Lisa Report 13 May 2008 07:57

ooh thanks for that Janice, wonder why is couldn't find it? must have missed it! looked for ages!

Another mystery solved, really appreciate you looking!!



WayneTracey Report 13 May 2008 10:54

Hi Lisa,

Back on the trail...

I did find children of Phylis and Gordon if i remember....



Lisa Report 13 May 2008 13:25

Hi Tracy!

Thanks for coming back, there are so many posts on this board im really grateful to be one of the lucky ones!

Was there children? ? did u post details? off to check?! maybe i missed it!?

Have been searching for a marriage for Sheila Kausman all morning but cant find one...or a death for that matter? Maybe she emmigrated?



Artbeat Report 13 May 2008 15:26

Hi again lisa
If you read through your thread you will find that all years were checked for a marriage & death for sheila.



WayneTracey Report 13 May 2008 18:39

Didn't you delete the thread with the details on?



Lisa Report 13 May 2008 18:44

Hi Tracey..not sure which thread you mean?


Lisa Report 28 May 2008 20:45


Just wanted to say a big thankyou, the hunt is over..please read topic on Success will never know how grateful i am to you all



Lisa Report 28 May 2008 20:59

Have tried to post this on Success stories but can't seem to get it on? any reason?

oh well...

Its been a while, but wanted to express my utmost grattitude to a few people....

Sylvia in Canada
and Janice

Thanks to you guys and your help and expertise, i unfortunately discovered the death of my Grandmother only 2 yrs ago. I have however received her death certificate and the informant was a guy who had been friends with her for over 45 yrs.

I have conversed by letter and he has now given me much needed information and my Dad knows all about his Mum. He is sending me some photos of her this week, and i can't thank you all enough for making it happen.

You are all incredible, you have changed lives, in particular my Dads,

thank you all



Lisa Report 28 May 2008 21:02

lol didn't realise it was moderated first, will probably be duplicated a few times now!!


Artbeat Report 28 May 2008 22:25

Hi lisa.

Glad that your father will have some pictures of his mother and some information about her life. I hope this brings him some joy.
Its just a shame that this could not have been solved just a few years earlier.

I,m sure the other people that helped will be glad to hear of your success on behalf of your father.

I was glad to help and wish your father well.


Small blonde Angel

Small blonde Angel Report 28 May 2008 23:41

Lisa, I have just read your latest as I have been off the site for a few days. I think it is great that your Dad will at last get some closure. If I was able to help in some small way I am really happy to have done so. I know that there were several times that I had tears in my eyes when I read your Dads story and the sad end to the search but peeps like you are what this site is all about.
Good luck for the future and give your Dad a hug from all of us.


Lisa Report 3 Jun 2008 19:05



The informant on My Grandmother's death certificate, a lovely man called Colin, who had been best friends with them for 30 yrs, has sent me a photo of Joan Welbourn on her Wedding day to Gordon Kausman...
The resemblance to my father is very strong!!!

Have been staring at it for days!

I am visiting him in 2wks where he said he has a few more photosand bits and bobs for me...this really is a dream come true..never thought id crack it!! thanks to you guys!!

Anyhow, am trying to locate any living Kausmans and have discovered Harry Gordon Kausman informant on his death cert. was his brother in Huntingdon called Maurice Arthur Kausman.

I am trying to find the GRO refs so i can order their birth certificates but no luck? wondered if anyone else fancied having a bash for me?

Harry Gordon Kausman's death cert states:
d.o.b 23 mar 1910, Shepherds Bush, W12
(death 04 Aug 1970)

Maurice Arthur Kausman details on death index state d.o.b 17 jun 1904
(death jun 1995 Huntingdon dist, reg no F11B ent. 133




ChristineinPortugal Report 3 Jun 2008 19:54

Could this be Maurice?

Births Sep 1904 (>99%)

KAUSMAN Maurice Abraham Fulham 1a 226

and Harry

Births Jun 1910 (>99%)

KAUSMAN Hyman Harry Lambeth 1d 329

Middle names different but seem possible.



Lisa Report 3 Jun 2008 22:08

Hi Christine, thanks for looking at this... i also have spotted these people but the birth dates are did seem odd that the same family had a Maurice and Harry with surname Kausman, only reason i have to doubt it is that there are phone records of another MA Kausman in Leics area at same time my M Arthur is in Huntingdon!

But i guess its possible that they both changed their names but is it possible they changed their d.o.b's on records?

Also this Harrys birthplace was Lambeth, and mine is Shepherds Bush...

I do know that my Harrys dad was down as William (Deceased) on his marriage cert...spose i could order this Hyman guys birth cert? Maybe i will try that!!

Appreciate you taking the time to look Christine!
Thanks a lot!



WayneTracey Report 3 Jun 2008 22:31


Dates of birth are only good for information assuming the person giving the information knew for certain the data.

Death certs are well known for having the wrong birthdates on...

As for birthplaces, assuming someone was living in Hammersmith and had their child in Fulham, the child will be registered as being born in Fulham regardless of where the family were living....

This is why these certs can sometimes create as many mysteries as they solve!!