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So all, were do we go now, do we go to parish records & seach for every jeffrey joseph? chertsey not far, all 3 of us could go wen they bk of hols.

Yeh, hate being called susan!

Hi Sue,

Did you add the swirly bits to your name?


Deb:)

morning all

hi debs, nina email death cert nothing on there!

Well, that blew out the window. I was able to trace all the Jane Weston's in Liverpool and none of them are her. So, she must have been under a different surname in 1881 and before.

I'm not sure about the following death ref. There were two, one in Godstone 1894 and another in Epsom in 1895. I was able to discount the one in Epsom because that Jane appears on the 1891 census.

As I said, the Godstone one's a bit iffy too because there was two other Jane's around the same age.


The birth years out a bit.



Name: Jane Weston
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 79
District: Godstone
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 133





Deb:)

Hi Mrs Tibs,

I've been trying all day to find the link between Elizabeth Meredith and Jane Weston. I have a strong hunch that Jane is the paternal grandmother. The reason I say this is because JJ and Frances were'nt registered Merediths or Westons, so registered under their mother's surname (whatever THAT was!).

Their father was probably Jane's son.

Elizabeth married Minnie's father (probably in Ireland shortly before Minnie was born). I don't think we stand a chance of finding out Elizabeth's maiden name but again, I have a hunch she's Jane's sister.

If that's the case then Manaretta, JJ and Frances are second cousins and not half siblings.

I think that we'd have a much better chance tracing Jane Weston. There's really only one Jane in earlier census records in Lancs that could be her.

I'm just off to find her details.




Deb:)

Hi Sue

It looks like it starting to come together!

Any update on Minnie being the mother of JJ and Frances? Can we link the Jane Weston to Elizabeth & Minnie?

x

Hi all, found 1881 census, henrietta age 4 pob postcombe gr daug.minnie age 24 pob ireland (traveller/hawker)& elizabeth age 63 pob liverpool also(traveller/hawker. all in residence blackcorner.

Manaretta in 1891:


1891 England Census
about Mannareta Meredith
Name: Mannareta Meredith
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Byfleet, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Effingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Effingham St Lawrence
Town: Effingham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Dorking
Sub registration district: Dorking
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Gordon Brown 4/12
Emily Grant 12
Margery Hadley 25
Pearce M Hadley 61
Sarah A Hadley 60
Mannareta Meredith 16

Here's Elizabeth and Minnie in 1871:


1871 England Census
about Elizabeth Meredith
Name: Elizabeth Meredith
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Plumstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 3 Winns cottages

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: Widow

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub registration district: Plumstead, East
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Meredith 47
Minnie Meredith 14





Deb:)

If we're on the right track, then Frances Meredith b1890, Chertsey should have been born an Earl as Minnie was married by then.

So, I think we're missing some important link here.

Is Minnie the mother of JJ and Frances or not?




Deb:)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Michael Earl
Name: Michael Earl
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Year of Registration: 1919
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 63
District: Guildford
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 126


I'm off to bed now but hopefully this will help Deb when she gets back from work

Well it looks as if Miinie married Michael Earl in 1888 but died in 1892.

Neither have been found with Jeff or Frances

im in farnborough,hants. grandfolks built a house in north wales & aunt lives there.

I'm just outside Cardiff Sue. Where abouts are you?

& he's telling the truth


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Minnie Earl
Name: Minnie Earl
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 34
District: Chertsey
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 56

What part of wales you in?sue

Michael in 1901. He's a widower


1901 England Census
about Mike Earl
Name: Mike Earl
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Hambledon, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Godalming
Ecclesiastical parish: Farncombe
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Blimey cant get my head round this at mo,well done. we might av something now. thanks sue