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18th May 2008 21:20


1901 England Census
about James Slack
Name: James Slack
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Ellington, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Angels, Christchurch, and St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 4 Miall Road

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 120
Household Members: Name Age

James Slack 54 House Painter b. Ellington, Hampshire
Ellen Slack 65 b. Paddington
George Dight 21 Transformer Attendant (Electrical Supply) (son in law) b. St. James
Florence Dight 25 b. Southwark
Florence Dight 1 b.Lewisham

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 556; Folio: 40; Page: 20.

Births Jun 1876
Slack Florence Ellen St. Saviour 1d 33

Marriages Mar 1899
Dight George William Greenwich 1d 1123
Slack Florence Ellen Greenwich 1d 1123

Births Dec 1899
Dight Florence Ellen Lewisham 1d 1196

I think this is one of their children - using Florence's father's middle name:

Births Sep 1906
Dight George Wheatley Lambeth 1d 393

Deaths Dec 1906
DIGHT George Wheatley 0 Lambeth 1d 223


If you go to www.nationalarchives.gov.uk you can download a copy of Jeffery Joseph Slack's Seaman's record for £3.50.

Just go to documents online and fill in the search form.

You should find this entry:

Description Name Slack, Jeffrey Joseph
Official Number: 212548
Place of Birth: Penge, Surrey

Date 28 December 1884
Catalogue reference ADM 188/372
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services
Piece 212501-213000
Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference

Marriages Sep 1865
Higgs Ellen Chelsea 1a 441
Slack James Wheatley Chelsea 1a 441

Births Jun 1845
SLACK James Wheatly Huntingdon 14 202

Deaths Mar 1915
Slack James W 69 Lewisham 1d 1652

However I have come across this:

Marriages Sep 1927
Slack Jeffrey J Wren Lewisham 1d 2600

The corresponding spouse is not on freebmd but a check on Ancestry gives her name as Edith E.

I think that for some reason he went by the name Meredith - however his Seaman's record reflects his birth name - the place of birth as Penge is all too much of a coincidence.

Perhaps Elsie died and Jeffrey reverted to his birth name and married again or they divorced. I've not found a death so far for an Elsie L Meredith.

Do you know if your Jeffery James - son of Jeffery and Elsie had any siblings? Do you have a death for Jeffrey Joseph Meredith?

There is a possible re-marriage for Elsie -

Marriages Jun 1927
Hamper Nathan Meredith Newhaven 2b 463
MEREDITH Elsie L Hamper Newhaven 2b 463

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18th May 2008 20:00


Sue

Cecilia may have been pretending to be married - I found this entry in 1891:

1891 England Census
about Cecilia Cockman
Name: Cecilia Cockman
[Cecilia Cohman]
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samues R
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, London, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Johns
Town: Peckham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 10 Denmark Villa

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Samues R Cockman 37 Salesman b. Blackheath, Kent (I think his age is more like 31 - compared to the enumerators other 7's and 1's)
Cecilia Cockman 25 b. Chelsea
Florence E Cockman 5 b. Walworth
Samuel R Cockman 3 b. Bow
Albert E Cockman 6months b. Dulwich

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 468; Folio 52; Page 35; GSU roll: 6095578.

I'm not sure about the alternative name given on Ancestry - as the image is Cockman.

Found Samuel's death:

Deaths Jun 1893
Cockman Samuel Robert 35 Epsom 2a 3

As a salesman he may have travelled around a bit and died away from home.

He may have been married to someone else prior to him and Cecilia getting together:

Marriages Mar 1877
Banbury Eliza Susannah P Camberwell 1d 687
COCKMAN Samuel Roberts Camberwell 1d 687
Peakall William Camberwell 1d 687
ROGERS Elizabeth Annie Camberwell 1d 687

Here is Cecilia's christening - a bit after her birth:

CECILIA ANN SLACK
Christening: 24 OCT 1869 Holy Trinity, Newington, Surrey, England
Father: JAMES WHEATLEY SLACK
Mother: ELLEN

Cecilia & Samuel's children:

Births Mar 1886
COCKMAN Florence Ellen St Saviour Southwark 1d 153

Haven't found one yet for Samuel!

Births Dec 1890
Cockman Albert Edward Camberwell 1d 743

Deaths Jun 1893
Cockman Albert Edward 2 Camberwell 1d 471

A possible child (Cecilia may have been pregnant when Samuel died?)

Births Mar 1894
Cockman Cecilia Agnes Camberwell 1d 888

Deaths Sep 1895
Cockman Cecilia Agnes 1 Camberwell 1d 491

Possible marriage for Florence - although looks like James Brightman married Louisa Spencer and the only likely looking 1901 entry for Walter Ruffle with a wife Florence has Florence aged 30 which doesn't fit.

Marriages Dec 1899
Brightman James William Greenwich 1d 1722
Cockman Florence Ellen Greenwich 1d 1722
Ruffle Walter Greenwich 1d 1722
Spencer Louisa Greenwich 1d 1722

1901 England Census
about Cecilia Woof
Name: Cecilia Woof
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John J
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, London, England

Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Angels, Christchurch, and St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 34 Miall Road

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 145
Household Members: Name Age

John J Woof 48 Cornhandlers? Sundryman b. Spitalfields
Cecilia Woof 35 b. Chelsea
Fredk Woof 13 b. Peckham
Samuel Cockman 13 b. Stepney (Stepson)
Beatrice Woof 3 b. Peckham
Rachael Jones 80 (single - Cousin) Living on Own Means b. St Georges in the East

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 556; Folio: 42; Page: 24.

Should be Woolf but is Woof on the image.

Again she and John were not officially married at that time.

Births Sep 1897
COCKMAN Beatrice M W Camberwell 1d 984

The marriage in 1905 ties it all up:

Marriages Dec 1905
SLACK Cecilia Ann Lewisham 1d 1984
WOOLF Jacob Jonas Lewisham 1d 1984

Here is Jacob/John in 1891:

1891 England Census
about John Jonas Woolf
Name: John Jonas Woolf
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Spitalfields, London, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Peckham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 1 Haymerle? Road

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

John Jonas Woolf 38 Manufactuer of Oilcans? Sundries (tins) b. Spitalfields
Charlotte Woolf 37 b. Westminster
Catherine Woolf 9 Scholar b. Camberwell
Frederick Woolf 4 b. Camberwell

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 480; Folio 126; Page 30; GSU roll: 6095590.

As for the Meredith's pretty stuck - no Jeffrey Meredith's at all. You gave the name Mameretta - is this right?

Susan

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Hi debs & mrs tibs, thanks for slack&meredith info, the 2 sisters im helping are away together this weekend so ive given them a bit of info to start them off. there a bit gutted as they been trying for 3 yrs,& with your help we done it in a week, hope you mannage to solve it. cheers sue

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16th May 2008 03:06

Hi Susan,

Something about this Slack family has been bugging me all morning and I've had to have another look at them.

In the 1891 census, take a look at Ellen's age. If she was 56 when Jeffrey was 7, then she would have been 49 when he was born. There's no way she could have been his mother as she was well past child-bearing age by then.

We'd raise our eyebrows at a woman of 49 falling pregnant naturally today. It would have been pysically impossible back then!

I think that James and Ellen were Jeffrey's grandparents and that Jeffrey was the illegitimate son of one of their daughters. I'm going to go back through the earlier census records to see what this family was up to.


Back soon.




Deb:)




OK. This is intresting. They had a daughter, Cecilia who would have been old enough to be Jeffrey's mother.

P.S. Edward Aslett is Ellen's father.


1881 England Census
about James W. Slack
Name: James W. Slack
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Huntingdon, England

Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 2 Clifton Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Painter

Registration district: Kensington
Sub registration district: Brompton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Aslett 79
Edward H. Higgs 22
Cecilia A. Slack 15 <<<<<<<
Ellen Slack 46
Florence E. Slack 5
James W. Slack 36



1871 England Census
about James Sloch
Name: James Sloch (mistranscribed)
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Huntingdonshire, England
Civil Parish: St George The Martyr Southwark
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 177
Household Members: Name Age
Cecilia Sloch 5
Edward Sloch 12
Ellen Sloch 30
James Sloch 27


Cecilia's birth:


Name: Cecilia A Slack
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Chelsea (1841-1981)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 223



Cecilia didn't marry until 1905. I can't see her in 1891 or 1901. I wonder what she was doing?


Name: Cecilia Ann Slack
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Lewisham
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1984





I'm going to have to leave this here, but I'll contact Mrs Tibs and see if she can find anything more on this family over the weekend.




Deb:)

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Hi Susan,

OK. This is the birth I've found.


Name: Jeffrey Joseph Slack
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Croydon
County: Greater London, Kent, Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 229



Here he is with his parents James and Ellen visiting friends in Lewisham in 1891.


1891 England Census
about Joseph Slack
Name: Joseph Slack
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Friend
Gender: Male
Where born: Penge, London, England

Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
Town: Sydenham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emily Lawrence 13
Rose J Lawrence 8
John Leadon 56
Maria Leadon 49
Ellen Slack 56
Florence Slack 15
James Slack 45
Joseph Slack 7


I can't find any of this family in 1901. There's a few deaths for the parents after 1891 but nothing that even remotely fits Jeffrey.

You mentioned something about adoption. Could Jeffrey Joseph Slack have been adopted by the Merediths?

Before ordering the birth cert, post a request on records board to see if anyone else can find this family in 1901. Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to search for mistranscriptions but that could be one reason why they disappear after 1891. I'd hate to think that you'd ordered the wrong cert because I'd overlooked something.

If this is your Jeffrey, then his father's name contradicts the info on Jeffrey's marriage cert, but I have a marriage cert that does the same, so it's not so uncommon.





Deb:)

Susan

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Hi debs meredith marriage cert says he was a labourer,& there is adoption somewhere. thanks sue

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14th May 2008 01:45


Hi Susan,

I think I might be onto something but I need you to confirm Jeffrey's father's occupation on the marriage cert.

I don't think Jeffrey Joseph was born a Meredith.




Deb:)

Susan

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13th May 2008 06:56

Hi, debs can mrs tibbs find birth entry for jeffrey joe meredith, about 1882 he,s on 1901 census in royal navy,(northampton) born in croydon.married elsie lillian harvey 20-01-1923.witness is mameretta meredith.his father also jeffrey. & any other info would be great as my friend been searching for 2yrs,ive had a quick look but can only find death certs. thanks sue

This thread has been transfered from "findmypast look-ups". All who are able to contribute to it, please do.

We're really struggling to find a link between census records and birth refs for Jeffrey Joseph Meredith and his sister Frances. If you have the ability to see side-ways, please help.

If you read through the thread first, it will help to save time in the long run as it's quite convaluted.


Thanks.




Deb:)