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OK. Got them. Bloody hell, no wonder we couldn't find Manaretta. For some weird reason, she's down as Henrietta!


1881 England Census
about Minnie Meredith
Name: Minnie Meredith
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Worth
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address: 134 Black Corner
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Traveller (Hawker)

Registration district: East Grinstead
Sub registration district: Worth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Meredith <<<<<POB Liverpool
Henrietta Meredith 4<<<<<POB Post Combe
Minnie Meredith <<<<<POB Ireland


Elizabeth Meredith is the grandmother of Manaretta and there's that link again with Liverpool!






Deb:)

I've got to go to work now but when I get home, I'll search for a marriage for Minnie.

We have concluded that Manaretta/Henrietta is an older sister to JJ and Frances, haven't we?

If we can find Minnie's marriage before 1884, we'll know which surname to look for for JJ and Frances.




Deb:)

I don't know if this is any help or not. i did a quick search for marriages for Minnie. 13 came up then I realsied you wanted one before 1884. The results were for 1884 - 1925.

This is the 1884 one

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Edwards George Pontypridd 11a 691
FLETCHER John Pontypridd 11a 691
MEREDITH Minnie Pontypridd 11a 691
Taylor Rachel Pontypridd 11a 691

thought that was a strange name,did find irish on a quick search,but tired & confused. have a bit of time in morn. sue

yeh saw them minnie c1860 but could av married later!!

First one I tried

Elizabeth Charman 1888 Oct-Nov-Dec Guildford Surrey
View Record
Michael Earl 1888 Oct-Nov-Dec Guildford Surrey
View Record
Minnie Meredith 1888 Oct-Nov-Dec Guildford Surrey
View Record
John Henry Tucker 1888 Oct-Nov-Dec Guildford Surrey



1891 England Census
about Minnie Earl
Name: Minnie Earl
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Limerick, Ireland

Civil Parish: Weybridge
Ecclesiastical parish: Weybridg
Town: Weybridg
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: Chertsey
Sub registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Bessie Baker 17
Annie Hadley David 34
Minnie Earl 34
Emma Irene Ham 25
Lucy Hough 23

di & nina know nothing of a frances?

Well may had affair with irishman!

Looks like Minnie married Michael, both are married 1891


1891 England Census
about Michael Earl
Name: Michael Earl
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Godalming, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Godalming
Ecclesiastical parish: Busbridge
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: Guildford
Sub registration district: Godalming
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Earl 38
Alice Tanner 2
Charity Tanner 36
George Tanner 12
Joseph Tanner 43
Lucy M Tanner 7
Olive Tanner 10

Blimey cant get my head round this at mo,well done. we might av something now. thanks sue

Michael in 1901. He's a widower


1901 England Census
about Mike Earl
Name: Mike Earl
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Hambledon, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Godalming
Ecclesiastical parish: Farncombe
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

What part of wales you in?sue

& he's telling the truth


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Minnie Earl
Name: Minnie Earl
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 34
District: Chertsey
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 56

I'm just outside Cardiff Sue. Where abouts are you?

im in farnborough,hants. grandfolks built a house in north wales & aunt lives there.

Well it looks as if Miinie married Michael Earl in 1888 but died in 1892.

Neither have been found with Jeff or Frances

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Michael Earl
Name: Michael Earl
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Year of Registration: 1919
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 63
District: Guildford
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 126


I'm off to bed now but hopefully this will help Deb when she gets back from work

If we're on the right track, then Frances Meredith b1890, Chertsey should have been born an Earl as Minnie was married by then.

So, I think we're missing some important link here.

Is Minnie the mother of JJ and Frances or not?




Deb:)

Here's Elizabeth and Minnie in 1871:


1871 England Census
about Elizabeth Meredith
Name: Elizabeth Meredith
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Plumstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 3 Winns cottages

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: Widow

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub registration district: Plumstead, East
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Meredith 47
Minnie Meredith 14





Deb:)

Manaretta in 1891:


1891 England Census
about Mannareta Meredith
Name: Mannareta Meredith
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Byfleet, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Effingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Effingham St Lawrence
Town: Effingham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Dorking
Sub registration district: Dorking
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Gordon Brown 4/12
Emily Grant 12
Margery Hadley 25
Pearce M Hadley 61
Sarah A Hadley 60
Mannareta Meredith 16