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Help Needed Re Canada....BIG UPDATE !!

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jansmith

jansmith Report 12 Aug 2008 13:09

you could ask for a check on cert against mothers name then if it isn't a match you would get some refund on cost if you use
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Mistycat

Mistycat Report 12 Aug 2008 13:13

Sorry Margaret....I'm completely lost with that one?

Mistycat

Mistycat Report 12 Aug 2008 13:20

Hi again all...need to go out now for a couple of hour's (isnt it alway's the way when so much exciting stuff going on)..will check back asap.

Thankyou all so much again...never thought I would be given so much wonderful info

Misty xx

jansmith

jansmith Report 12 Aug 2008 13:22

Margaret I wonder if that is the Thomas A Fallowfield with birth index 1859 i posted on page 1

Margee

Margee Report 12 Aug 2008 13:23

I'm as confused as you, Mistycat!
I added to that previous post re: the attestation papers. I had found the family in 1901 and the father was born England.
Then to confuse thinge even more, there's another Fallowfield family on the same page. Father is Robert A. Fallowfield born 11 Sep. 1861, England. His wife Frances A. was born US.

jansmith

jansmith Report 12 Aug 2008 13:31

Margaret this one???
Name: Robert Atkinson Fallowfield
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: East Ward
County: Westmorland
Volume: 10b
Page: 475

Dea

Dea Report 12 Aug 2008 13:34

That is indeed very strange Margaret !!

There seems to be more than one of them and they keep marrying Margarets !!

Dea x

OOOps - perhaps it it your turn next ?? (Tee hee).

Dea x

jansmith

jansmith Report 12 Aug 2008 13:35

A brother to Thomas 1861 census
Name: Robert Atkinson Fallowfield
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Crackenthorpe, Westmorland, England

Civil Parish: Crackenthorpe
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England
Name: Thomas Atkinson Fallowfield
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Crackenthorpe, Westmorland, England

Civil Parish: Crackenthorpe
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England


Household Members: Name Age
Isabella Atkinson Fallowfield 1 Mo
Jane Fallowfield 32 ----unmarried
Jane Atkinson Fallowfield 8
Mary Atkinson Fallowfield 4
Richard Atkinson Fallowfield 9
Robert Atkinson Fallowfield 2
Thomas Atkinson Fallowfield 1
William Atkinson Fallowfield 6
Ann Toplin 17 ---servant

Margee

Margee Report 12 Aug 2008 13:46

This is the other family from the 1901 Canadian census, father born England, mother Ontario and all children British Columbia. (Could he be the father of the other Thomas?)

Fallowfield Thos A M Head M Oct 31 1860 40
Fallowfield Margaret F Wife M Sep 8 1860 40
Fallowfield Flora F Daughter S Mar 5 1890 11
Fallowfield George W M Son S Aug 18 1891 9
Fallowfield Charles M Son S Nov 8 1892 8
Fallowfield Frank J M Son S Nov 2 1894 6
Fallonfield David A M Son S Jul 22 1896 4

Dea

Dea Report 12 Aug 2008 14:13

Brother David's attestation papers are also there - father on those looks like Thomas Alexander Fallowfield??

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 12 Aug 2008 14:19

What is puzzling me is why we cannot find two lots of deaths for Thomas A Fallowfield and 2 for Margaret ?

Dea x

Margee

Margee Report 12 Aug 2008 14:35

In 1911 the elder Thomas Fallowfied is in New Westminster, BC. says he emigrated 1891, is living next door to Robert Fallowfield who emigrated 1881.
Could this Thomas have been married previously in England? Left his son Thomas behind and married again in Canada?

Dea

Dea Report 12 Aug 2008 14:59

This looks like the Jane (unmarried mother to Robert c 59 and Thomas c 1860 + many more !!)

On 1851:

Jane Fallowfield
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Kendal, Westmorland, England

Civil Parish: Crackenthorpe
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: East Ward
Sub registration district: Appleby
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Andregg 15
John Atkinson 72 (Richard's father)
Richard Atkinson 51 Inn keeper, grocer, spirit merchant + tea dealer
Jane Fallowfield 22 Housekeeper


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2439; Folio: 117; Page: 5; GSU roll: 87120.

Either Richard Atkinson, or one of his family members could well have been father to Jane's children?

Dea x

Margee

Margee Report 12 Aug 2008 16:17

Goodness, she had a lot of illegitimate ones, didn't she? (All children have middle name Atkinson and last name Fallowfield.)
1861 census
Brockham Cottages, Crackenthorpe, Westmorland
Jane Fallowfield, head, unmarried, 32, annuitant
Richard, son, 9
Jane, dau, 8
William, son, 6
Mary, dau, 4
Robert, son, 2
Thomas, son, 1
Isabella, 1 month
Ann Toplin, servant, 17
All children born Crackenthorpe, Jane born Greyrigg.

Dea

Dea Report 12 Aug 2008 16:30

Every little helps ! ??

JANE FALLOWFIELD Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 30 OCT 1828 Grayrigg, Westmorland, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM FALLOWFIELD Family
Mother: JANE


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record
..................

FARMERS. in Grayrigg - 1829 Directory:

Thus * are Yeomen.

Ashton Mary, Docker bridge
*Atkinson John, Simgill
Bateman Miles, Newhouse

Bateman Thomas, Pasture house
Brownrigg John, Grayrigg head
Brunskill John, Lambert Ash

Ewan John, Hining
Fallowfield Wm. Castlebank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Farrer Isaac, Blackett bottom


Dea x

Margee

Margee Report 12 Aug 2008 16:36

1871 census
Elephant Inn, Brockham, Bongate, Westmorland
Jane Fallowfield, head, unmarried, 42, innkeeper, born Kendal
Jane A., dau, 18, barmaid
William A., son, 15, ag lab
Robert A., son, 12, scholar
Thomas A., son, 11, scholar
Isabel A., dau, 10, scholar
Children all born Bongate.

Dea

Dea Report 12 Aug 2008 17:12

Going back to Thomas born c 1882:

Thomas Atkinson Fallowfield

Christening: 25 DEC 1882 Long Marton, Westmorland, England


Parents:
Mother: Isabella Fallowfield (daughter of Jane ! ???)

Dea x

They didn't like the 'marriage thingy' did they ???

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 12 Aug 2008 17:17

Bearing in mind that Jane was with a Richard Atkinson on 1851 - this is probably him on 1841 !:

1841:
Richd Atkinson
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Westmorland, England

Civil Parish: Bongate
Hundred: East
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: East Ward
Sub registration district: Appleby
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Isabel Atkinson 39
Richd Atkinson 40 - Publican !!




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1156; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Bongate; County: Westmorland; Enumeration District: 4A; Folio: 3; Page: 18; Line: 3; GSU roll: 464189.

Dea x

Mistycat

Mistycat Report 12 Aug 2008 18:06

Hi Dea and Margaret,

Oh my goodness, Ive just got back and can't believe all this info...Thankyou both so so much..just had a quick peep through but will sit down after supper and go through it all.

You are both wonderful, and I cant thank you enough for all your time and effort.

Misty xx

Margee

Margee Report 12 Aug 2008 18:09

So we seem to have 3 generations of them?
Thomas Fallowfield, 1860, illegtimate son of Jane Fallowfield and possibly Richard Atkinson.
Thomas Fallowfield,1882, illegitimate son of Isabella Fallowfield. (The previous Thomas' sister)
Thomas Fallowfield, 1905, illegitimate son of Margaret Gilpin before she married Thomas Fallowfield. (The son of Isabella?)