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Samspade

Samspade Report 20 Aug 2008 22:32


Robert Hillier married Elvire D'Argent 4/3/1861
Elvire's father was Predant Alfonse D'Argent both were from France(don't know where!)
Some time between 1861-1871 Elvire seems to disappear completely. I cannot find any death records for Elvire Hillier but on the 1871 census Robert is living with his new 'wife' Hannah Amelia Jarrett and two sons Robert and Joseph.
I can't find a marriage record for Robert and Hannah either! on their son's birth certs hannah's surname is Hillier late Greenough formerly Jarrett.(I have found her previous marriage).
Any thought's/help would be great!

June

June Report 20 Aug 2008 22:40

1861

Name: Elvire Hillier
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: France

Civil Parish: Westminster St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Westminster
Sub registration district: St Margaret
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 418
Household Members: Name Age
Jas Barrett 16
Mary Dymond 24
Elvire Hillier 18
Robt Hillier 26
Henry Holmes 44
John Holmes 43
Frances McKenzie 32
Kenneth McKenzie 47
Kennith McKenzie 9
Pauline McKenzie 7




Name: Elvier Hillier
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 55
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 234 (click to see others on page



maybe he never married again
because wife was still alive


June x

Samspade

Samspade Report 20 Aug 2008 22:53

Thanks for that June, I've been looking for her death for ages! buying that cert for sure, hopefully it'll give me some answers and not more mystery!

Samspade

Samspade Report 20 Aug 2008 22:59

I don't suppose anyone can find elvire on the 1871,81,91 census????? i've looked and looked but can't see her perhaps a fresh pair of eyes can?

Nickydownsouth

Nickydownsouth Report 20 Aug 2008 23:21

Could this be her in 1881....?


John NORTH Head M Male 68 Byfleet, Surrey, England Publican
Sarah NORTH Wife M Female 63 Byfleet, Surrey, England
Eulatie HILLYER Visitor U Female 48 Boulogne, France
Emma SMITH Visitor U Female 23 Newman, Hampshire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Kings Head
Census Place Byfleet, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341180
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0769 / 59
Page Number 7



Nicky

Busy Bee

Busy Bee Report 21 Aug 2008 01:36

Hi

Re: June's find of the death entry for Elvier Hillier in Lambeth 1899
it would be intersting to see who the informant was on death cert

On account of this, I thought perhaps Elvire might be in the Lambeth area in earlier censuses,

This is a long shot, I have been tracking this couple.

Can't find a marriage or death entry for them, and can't find them in 1891/1901 censuses

Perhaps Robert Hillier & Elvire never officially remarried either of their partners


1881

Name: Elvier Gillman - pob France
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Wm.
Gender: Female
Where born: France

Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 29 Hercules Bdgs
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Elvier Gillman 34
James Wm. Gillman 44 - Occ Gas Fitter

No Children

------------------------

1871 - same couple

Name: Elvire Gillman - pob Bloomsbury ?
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: Married

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 5??
Household Members: Name Age

Elvire Gillman 27
James Gillman 34 - abt 1837 Bloomsbury, Middlesex, Occ Gas Fitter

No Children
-------------------------------------

1861

Name: James Gillman with parents & siblings
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Eleanor
Gender: Male
Where born: Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Waterloo Road Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members: Name Age

James Gillman 51
Eleanor Gillman 47
....James Gillman 24 - Occ Gas Fitter - unmarried
George Gillman 21
Edward Gillman 17
Mary A Gillman 10
Louisa Gillman 8


Sorry if I'm adding to your Mystery

ps - noticed Elvire was a Dancer in 1861, could she have adopted a stage name which she preferred to go by

Samspade

Samspade Report 21 Aug 2008 10:42

Thanks for all the help- i too think it'll be interesting to find out who was the informant of her death.

Samspade

Samspade Report 30 Aug 2008 12:55

I have her death cert 8/1/1899 Lambeth Workhouse Infirmary 55 years Widow of Robert Hillier printers machinist of 24 Marshall St Georges Road Southwark the informant was Caroline Nunn Sister??????
I somehow knew this would bring more mystery!
Why would it say Widow of Robert when Robert was still alive and kicking?
At least it answers one question Robert never married Hannah Jarrett
also according to the death cert Robert and Elvire's sister Caroline were living at the same address?????????????

June

June Report 30 Aug 2008 14:08

sister still at that address in 1901


Name: Carrie Nann
[Caroline Nunn]
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Westminster, London, England

Civil Parish: Southwark St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 313
Household Members: Name Age
Carrie Nann 42
Carrie Nann 20
Charles Nann 50
Esther Nann 13
George Nann 15
Nelly Nann 10
Walter Nann 23




1891

Name: Caroline Nunn
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: St Martin in The Fields, London, England

Civil Parish: St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Carolina Nunn 10
Caroline Nunn 33
Charles Nunn 40
Ellen Nunn 3/12
Esther Nunn 2
George Nunn 5
Walter Nunn 23 image reads 13


June x

June

June Report 30 Aug 2008 14:13

Marriages Dec 1879 (>99%)
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DARGENT CAROLINE Islington 1b 589

NUNN Charles Islington 1b 589



1881

Name: Caroline Nunn
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pauls, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Martin in The Fields
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 9 Mercer St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Strand
Sub registration district: St Martin In The Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Nunn 32
Caroline Nunn
Charles Nunn 30
Walter Nunn 3



same family different ages


June x

June

June Report 30 Aug 2008 14:42

1871

Name: Mary Dargent
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ramsgate, Kent, England
Civil Parish: St Martin in The Fields
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Strand
Sub registration district: Long Acre
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 83
Household Members: Name Age
Carris Dargent 12
Louis Dargent 15
Mary Dargent 51






1861

Name: Caroline Davgent
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Prudent
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: St Paul C Garden

Civil Parish: Westminster St Paul Covent Garden
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Strand
Sub registration district: St Mary le Strand
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 194
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Davgent 2
Gustave Davgent 15 France
Henry Davgent 9
Leon Davgent 5
Mary Davgent 44
Prudent Davgent 49 France




1851

Name: Elvis Sargent
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Prudant
Mother's Name: Marie
Gender: Female
Where born: France

Civil Parish: St Paul Covent Garden
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Strand
Sub registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Alleste Sargent 15 Mo
Artur Sargent 4
Elvis Sargent 8
Gustave Sargent 6
Marie Sargent 36
Prudant Sargent 38




June x

Samspade

Samspade Report 30 Aug 2008 19:38

Thanks june that's huge help,i'll look into the sister. still odd they put the same address for the 'late' husband and her!

Jean

Jean Report 7 Jan 2013 23:54

Hello. My name is Jean Field (Nee - Nunn) and my Great Grandmother was Caroline Nunn (nee D'Argent). Any information on the D'Argent family would be appreciated please. Her son, George was my grandfather. Regards Jean.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 8 Jan 2013 00:23

Will send a pm regarding display of email addy

June

June Report 21 Jan 2013 22:35

jean i am not related in any way was just helping samspade out x