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Brick Walls help on the Census Records***Michelle*

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Michelle

Michelle Report 8 Nov 2008 08:37

Hi Michelle. I am trying to trace my grandfather John Francis O'Connor 14/2/1920. I believe he was from Mold, UK. I don't have much more to go on I'm afraid. My own dad Michael was born 15/5/1943 in Morcambe but he passed away 25 years ago. Perhaps his birth certificate might have more info. Many thanks. Michelle

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 10:30

Lily

According to the 1861 she was older than 1842 birthyear.
This record on the site i use is not coming up complete so i will search the image

1861 England Census
about Rachel Sampson
Name: Rachel Sampson
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head Of Family Pauper Inmate (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born: St James, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Shipmeadow
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: Workhouse and Infirmary Belonging Thereto
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Rachel Sampson 22

Ok Rachel is daughter of John and Susan Sampson.Here is John and Susan and son William-he would have been Rachel's brother.

1861 England Census
about John Sampson
Name: John Sampson
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Head Of Family Pauper Inmate (Head)
Gender: Male
Where born: Stoven, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Shipmeadow
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: Workhouse and Infirmary Belonging Thereto
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
John Sampson 57
Susan Sampson 51
Wm Sampson 12

1861 England Census
about Susan Sampson
Name: Susan Sampson
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Wife Pauper Inmate (Pauper)
Gender: Female
Where born: Ditchingham, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Shipmeadow
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: Workhouse and Infirmary Belonging Thereto
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
John Sampson 57
Susan Sampson 51
Wm Sampson 12

1861 England Census
about Wm Sampson
Name: Wm Sampson
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son Pauper Inmate (Pauper)
Gender: Male
Where born: Homersfield, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Shipmeadow
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: Workhouse and Infirmary Belonging Thereto
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
John Sampson 57
Susan Sampson 51
Wm Sampson 12

Here is another family member showing on this census record.Is poss this is John and Susan's son or poss that Rachel has this son(out of wedlock?)

1861 England Census
about Jas Sampson
Name: Jas Sampson
Age: 2 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Son Head Of Family Pauper Inmate (Head)
Gender: Male
Where born: Shipmeadow Workhouse, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Shipmeadow
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: Workhouse and Infirmary Belonging Thereto
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Jas Sampson 2 Mo

and there is also this girl

1861 England Census
about Mary Ann Sampson
Name: Mary Ann Sampson
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter Head Of Family Pauper Inmate (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born: Shipmeadow Workhouse, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Shipmeadow
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: Workhouse and Infirmary Belonging Thereto
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Sampson 2

again poss that this girl is daughter of John and Susan or Rachel.
On the census image Rachel is a Silk Weaver and Mary Ann is listed as daughter of her.
John listed as a Ag Lab
No address is listed.

I will look for the 1851 and look at the 1871 to determine the relationship of these children to Rachel.This is a very confused census image and not clear the relationships.



















***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 10:33

Lilly

On the 1851 Rachel is listed as 1836 birthyear.

1851 England Census
about Susan Sampson
Name: Susan Sampson
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ditchingham, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Homersfield
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
James Sampson 13
John Sampson 10
Rachel Sampson 15
Susan Sampson 42
William Sampson 3

1851 England Census
about Rachel Sampson
Name: Rachel Sampson
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Female
Where born: St James, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Homersfield
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
James Sampson 13
John Sampson 10
Rachel Sampson 15
Susan Sampson 42
William Sampson 3

1851 England Census
about James Sampson
Name: James Sampson
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: St James, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Homersfield
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
James Sampson 13
John Sampson 10
Rachel Sampson 15
Susan Sampson 42
William Sampson 3

1851 England Census
about John Sampson
Name: John Sampson
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: St James, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Homersfield
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
James Sampson 13
John Sampson 10
Rachel Sampson 15
Susan Sampson 42
William Sampson 3

1851 England Census
about William Sampson
Name: William Sampson
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Homersfield, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Homersfield
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
James Sampson 13
John Sampson 10
Rachel Sampson 15
Susan Sampson 42
William Sampson 3

Susan Ag Labs Wife

Address on top of this page on the image is Heath Farm














***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 10:38

Lilly

Poss birth record for Mary Ann

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Mary Ann Sampson
Name: Mary Ann Sampson
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Wangford
County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 676 (click to see others on page)

On the 1871 Mary Ann is listed as daughter of Rachel

1871 England Census
about Rachel Sampson
Name: Rachel Sampson
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: St James, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Bungay Holy Trinity
Town: Bungay
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members: Name Age
Fredrick Sampson 4
Mary A Sampson 13
Rachel Sampson 29

1871 England Census
about Mary A Sampson
Name: Mary A Sampson
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Rachel
Gender: Female
Where born: Shipmeadow, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Bungay Holy Trinity
Town: Bungay
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members: Name Age
Fredrick Sampson 4
Mary A Sampson 13
Rachel Sampson 29

1871 England Census
about Fredrick Sampson
Name: Fredrick Sampson
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Rachel
Gender: Male
Where born: Shipmeadow, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Bungay Holy Trinity
Town: Bungay
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members: Name Age
Fredrick Sampson 4
Mary A Sampson 13
Rachel Sampson 29

Rachel Works on the Farm
Address Gus House Lane








Lilly the flower

Lilly the flower Report 8 Nov 2008 10:44

Hello Michelle, thank you for the look up of the 1861, you weren't kidding about it being confusing were you lol?,,,,I do know that Mary Ann Sampson was this Rachel Sampson daughter, so that helps to sort it a bit......the rest like you said, will take a while to sort out, seems that they had a hard life during that period of time. I would be interested if you could find anything on the 1851, I think Rachel had two children,(Mary ann and a Frederick) out of wedlock speak soon, if you have any more luck!!.....thank you lol.....Lilly

Lilly the flower

Lilly the flower Report 8 Nov 2008 10:48

You are to quick for me,,!! lol , what a lot you have found....I am sure once I have had a good look, you will have answered many a question for me, aren't these census wonderful lol.....thank you so much for all of your help and time....Lilly

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 11:11

Helene

Hi there.I am just having a look at your now.I just wanted to check something with you.I have this 1891 census record which looks like your Henry with the details you gave me.However he is married to an Ann(i presume this is the Annie you mentioned?) and her birthyear is not 1830.Here is Henry and Ann's records on that census.I presume you have this census as you mentioned the 7 children?

1891 England Census
about Henry Freeborn
Name: Henry Freeborn
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Bromley St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows (Bow Common)
Town: Bromley
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ada Freeborn 6/12
Albert Freeborn 5
Ann Freeborn 35
Celia Freeborn 10
Ernest Freeborn 3
Gertrude Freeborn 11
Henry Freeborn 35
Maud Freeborn 9
Rose Freeborn 6
George Ward 40

1891 England Census
about Ann Freeborn
Name: Ann Freeborn
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Bromley, London, England

Civil Parish: Bromley St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows (Bow Common)
Town: Bromley
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ada Freeborn 6/12
Albert Freeborn 5
Ann Freeborn 35
Celia Freeborn 10
Ernest Freeborn 3
Gertrude Freeborn 11
Henry Freeborn 35
Maud Freeborn 9
Rose Freeborn 6
George Ward 40

So if you could confirm this is the Annie you are interested in i will try and find some info on her.

Michelle





***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 11:36

Susan

here is the marriage record

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Doris M Baldwin
Name: Doris M Baldwin
Year of Registration: 1926
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's Surname: Gaunt
District: West Bromwich
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6b
Page: 1621 (click to see others on page)

I think this could be her poss birth

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Doris Mary Baldwin
Name: Doris Mary Baldwin
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: West Bromwich
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6b
Page: 929 (click to see others on page)

Although the death record says she was born around 1898?

There are no Doris M Baldwin's listed in birth records for 1898-1900 it is poss she was recorded without her middle name?

To get further with this you will need to obtain the marriage cert this will show her father's name and her age at marriage and occupation of her father and also witness names-which sometimes can help with tracing a person on the records.
You can order online certs from www.gro.gov.uk for a cost of £7 per cert.

Once you obtain the cert will can take another look and if no luck then obtain the birth cert above to see if father's name matches the marriage record info.



***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 12:08

Louise

Here is his birth record

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Thomas William Viccars
Name: Thomas William Viccars
Year of Registration: 1842
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Buckingham
County: Buckinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 6
Page: 346 (click to see others on page)

Ok well i have located him on the census records and here are census records with his children on.The 1871 is under a transcript error on the surname but all children and dates match the 1881

1871 England Census
about Thomas W Viccaro
Name: Thomas W Viccaro
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub registration district: Hoxton New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
John Viccaro 7
Mary A Viccaro 31
Mary J Viccaro 9
Sarah E Viccaro 3
Thomas W Viccaro 29
Thomas W Viccaro 6

1871 England Census
about Mary A Viccaro
Name: Mary A Viccaro
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas W
Gender: Female
Where born: Fritwell, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub registration district: Hoxton New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
John Viccaro 7
Mary A Viccaro 31
Mary J Viccaro 9
Sarah E Viccaro 3
Thomas W Viccaro 29
Thomas W Viccaro 6

1871 England Census
about Mary J Viccaro
Name: Mary J Viccaro
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas W
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub registration district: Hoxton New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
John Viccaro 7
Mary A Viccaro 31
Mary J Viccaro 9
Sarah E Viccaro 3
Thomas W Viccaro 29
Thomas W Viccaro 6

1871 England Census
about John Viccaro
Name: John Viccaro
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas W
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub registration district: Hoxton New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
John Viccaro 7
Mary A Viccaro 31
Mary J Viccaro 9
Sarah E Viccaro 3
Thomas W Viccaro 29
Thomas W Viccaro 6

1871 England Census
about Thomas W Viccaro
Name: Thomas W Viccaro
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas W
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub registration district: Hoxton New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
John Viccaro 7
Mary A Viccaro 31
Mary J Viccaro 9
Sarah E Viccaro 3
Thomas W Viccaro 29
Thomas W Viccaro 6

Continue...




















***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 12:10

Louise

1871 Continued...

1871 England Census
about Sarah E Viccaro
Name: Sarah E Viccaro
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas W
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub registration district: Hoxton New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
John Viccaro 7
Mary A Viccaro 31
Mary J Viccaro 9
Sarah E Viccaro 3
Thomas W Viccaro 29
Thomas W Viccaro 6

Thomas an Engineer at a Factory

Address 34 Shaftesbury Street


***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 12:18

Louise

Here is Thomas's death

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Thomas William Viccars
Name: Thomas William Viccars
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 30
District: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 73 (click to see others on page)

by the 1881 the family had returned to Buckinghamshire

1881 England Census
about Mary A. Viccars
Name: Mary A. Viccars
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Fritwell, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: Hunter Street
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Laundress

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert B. Howard 29
John Viccars 17
Mary A. Viccars 41
Mary J. Viccars 19
Sarah E. Viccars 13
Thomas W. Viccars 16

1881 England Census
about Mary J. Viccars
Name: Mary J. Viccars
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: Hunter Street
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Dressmaker

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert B. Howard 29
John Viccars 17
Mary A. Viccars 41
Mary J. Viccars 19
Sarah E. Viccars 13
Thomas W. Viccars 16

1881 England Census
about Mary J. Viccars
Name: Mary J. Viccars
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: Hunter Street
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Dressmaker

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert B. Howard 29
John Viccars 17
Mary A. Viccars 41
Mary J. Viccars 19
Sarah E. Viccars 13
Thomas W. Viccars 16

1881 England Census
about John Viccars
Name: John Viccars
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: Hunter Street
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Saddler

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert B. Howard 29
John Viccars 17
Mary A. Viccars 41
Mary J. Viccars 19
Sarah E. Viccars 13
Thomas W. Viccars 16

1881 England Census
about Thomas W. Viccars
Name: Thomas W. Viccars
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: Hunter Street
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Cabinet Maker

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert B. Howard 29
John Viccars 17
Mary A. Viccars 41
Mary J. Viccars 19
Sarah E. Viccars 13
Thomas W. Viccars 16

Continue....
















***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 12:20

Louise

1881 Continued...

1881 England Census
about Sarah E. Viccars
Name: Sarah E. Viccars
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: Hunter Street
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert B. Howard 29
John Viccars 17
Mary A. Viccars 41
Mary J. Viccars 19
Sarah E. Viccars 13
Thomas W. Viccars 16

1881 England Census
about Robert B. Howard
Name: Robert B. Howard
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Fritwell, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: Hunter Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Coachman (Dom Serv)

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert B. Howard 29
John Viccars 17
Mary A. Viccars 41
Mary J. Viccars 19
Sarah E. Viccars 13
Thomas W. Viccars 16







***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 12:27

Louise

Mary Ann now a Widow remarried in 1886

Thomas Treen 1886 Buckingham Buckinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire
View Record
Mary Anne Viccars 1886 Buckingham Buckinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Mary Anne Viccars
Name: Mary Anne Viccars
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Buckingham
County: Buckinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 995 (click to see others on page

The 1891 we see her staying with her daughter Mary Jane who is now married

1891 England Census
about Thomas William Gibling
Name: Thomas William Gibling
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Cattawade, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Newport Pagnell
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Jane Gibling 29
Robert Gibling 2
Thomas William Gibling 30
Thomas William Gibling 5
Mary Ann Treen 51
Ann Viccaro 63

1891 England Census
about Mary Jane Gibling
Name: Mary Jane Gibling
[Mary Jane Treen]
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas William
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Newport Pagnell
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Jane Gibling 29
Robert Gibling 2
Thomas William Gibling 30
Thomas William Gibling 5
Mary Ann Treen 51
Ann Viccaro 63

1891 England Census
about Thomas William Gibling
Name: Thomas William Gibling
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas William
Mother's Name: Mary Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Newport Pagnell
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Jane Gibling 29
Robert Gibling 2
Thomas William Gibling 30
Thomas William Gibling 5
Mary Ann Treen 51
Ann Viccaro 63

1891 England Census
about Robert Gibling
Name: Robert Gibling
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas William
Mother's Name: Mary Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Newport Pagnell
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Jane Gibling 29
Robert Gibling 2
Thomas William Gibling 30
Thomas William Gibling 5
Mary Ann Treen 51
Ann Viccaro 63

1891 England Census
about Mary Ann Treen
Name: Mary Ann Treen
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Fritwell, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Newport Pagnell
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Jane Gibling 29
Robert Gibling 2
Thomas William Gibling 30
Thomas William Gibling 5
Mary Ann Treen 51
Ann Viccaro 63

Continue...
















***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 12:29

Louise

1891 Continued...

1891 England Census
about Ann Viccaro
Name: Ann Viccaro
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife's Aunt (Aunt)
Gender: Female
Where born: Northants, Brackley

Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Newport Pagnell
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Jane Gibling 29
Robert Gibling 2
Thomas William Gibling 30
Thomas William Gibling 5
Mary Ann Treen 51
Ann Viccaro 63

Thomas William a Baker
Mary Ann is still married
Ann the Aunt is single

Address 9 Manor Street


***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 12:35

Louise

1901 for Mary with her 2nd husband Thomas

1901 England Census
about Thos Treen
Name: Thos Treen
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Stoke, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Treen 60
Thos Treen 64

1901 England Census
about Mary A Treen
Name: Mary A Treen
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thos
Gender: Female
Where born: Fritwell, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Treen 60
Thos Treen 64

Thomas a Steam Engine Fitter
Address 86 Lucard Street

Poss death for Mary

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Mary A Treen
Name: Mary A Treen
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Year of Registration: 1917
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 77
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 851 (click to see others on page)



Hope that has all helped in your search

Michelle







***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 12:43

Louise

Now to the parents.....I will start with Mary here she is on the 1861 with her family

1861 England Census
about Robert Howard
Name: Robert Howard
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradley, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza A Howard 23
Jane Howard 50
Mary Ann Howard 21
Richard Howard 25
Robert Howard 50
Robert B Howard 11
Sarah Howard 17
Thomas W Howard 19
William H Howard 15

1861 England Census
about Jane Howard
Name: Jane Howard
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: Bradley, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza A Howard 23
Jane Howard 50
Mary Ann Howard 21
Richard Howard 25
Robert Howard 50
Robert B Howard 11
Sarah Howard 17
Thomas W Howard 19
William H Howard 15

1861 England Census
about Richard Howard
Name: Richard Howard
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Fritwell, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza A Howard 23
Jane Howard 50
Mary Ann Howard 21
Richard Howard 25
Robert Howard 50
Robert B Howard 11
Sarah Howard 17
Thomas W Howard 19
William H Howard 15

1861 England Census
about Eliza A Howard
Name: Eliza A Howard
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Fritwell, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza A Howard 23
Jane Howard 50
Mary Ann Howard 21
Richard Howard 25
Robert Howard 50
Robert B Howard 11
Sarah Howard 17
Thomas W Howard 19
William H Howard 15

1861 England Census
about Mary Ann Howard
Name: Mary Ann Howard
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Fritwell, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza A Howard 23
Jane Howard 50
Mary Ann Howard 21
Richard Howard 25
Robert Howard 50
Robert B Howard 11
Sarah Howard 17
Thomas W Howard 19
William H Howard 15

Continue...


















***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 12:47

Louise

1861 Continued...

1861 England Census
about Thomas W Howard
Name: Thomas W Howard
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Fritwell, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza A Howard 23
Jane Howard 50
Mary Ann Howard 21
Richard Howard 25
Robert Howard 50
Robert B Howard 11
Sarah Howard 17
Thomas W Howard 19
William H Howard 15

1861 England Census
about Sarah Howard
Name: Sarah Howard
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Fritwell, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza A Howard 23
Jane Howard 50
Mary Ann Howard 21
Richard Howard 25
Robert Howard 50
Robert B Howard 11
Sarah Howard 17
Thomas W Howard 19
William H Howard 15

1861 England Census
about William H Howard
Name: William H Howard
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Fritwell, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza A Howard 23
Jane Howard 50
Mary Ann Howard 21
Richard Howard 25
Robert Howard 50
Robert B Howard 11
Sarah Howard 17
Thomas W Howard 19
William H Howard 15

1861 England Census
about Robert B Howard
Name: Robert B Howard
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Fritwell, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza A Howard 23
Jane Howard 50
Mary Ann Howard 21
Richard Howard 25
Robert Howard 50
Robert B Howard 11
Sarah Howard 17
Thomas W Howard 19
William H Howard 15

Robert and Richard were Cordwainer's

Address Church Lane











***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 12:52

Louise

Now to Thomas W Viccars and his family

1861 England Census
about John Viccars
Name: John Viccars
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Beackley, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
John Viccars 61
Thomas Viccars 19

1861 England Census
about Thomas Viccars
Name: Thomas Viccars
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Buckingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
John Viccars 61
Thomas Viccars 19

John a Widower and a Shepherd
Thomas a Engineer

Address Woolpack Lane





***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 13:04

Louise

Looks like John father of Thomas William(1842) died in 1870

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about John Viccars
Name: John Viccars
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 70
District: Buckingham
County: Buckinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 347 (click to see others on page)

I believe this is the mother of Thomas W and she died in 1861 just before the 1861 census was taken

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Mary Viccars
Name: Mary Viccars
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Buckingham
County: Buckinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 340 (click to see others on page)

Here is the 1851 of the family and again mistranscibed!

1851 England Census
about John Viccaro
Name: John Viccaro
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Brenchley, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Prebend End
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Leckhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 3f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 139
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Viccaro 24
Caroline Viccaro 17
Jane M Viccaro 13
John Viccaro 50
John G Viccaro 11
Mary Viccaro 51
Thomas W Viccaro 8

1851 England Census
about Mary Viccaro
Name: Mary Viccaro
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Culworth, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Prebend End
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Leckhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 3f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 139
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Viccaro 24
Caroline Viccaro 17
Jane M Viccaro 13
John Viccaro 50
John G Viccaro 11
Mary Viccaro 51
Thomas W Viccaro 8

1851 England Census
about Ann Viccaro
Name: Ann Viccaro
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Bruckley, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Prebend End
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Leckhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 3f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 139
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Viccaro 24
Caroline Viccaro 17
Jane M Viccaro 13
John Viccaro 50
John G Viccaro 11
Mary Viccaro 51
Thomas W Viccaro 8

1851 England Census
about Caroline Viccaro
Name: Caroline Viccaro
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Prebend End
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Leckhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 3f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 139
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Viccaro 24
Caroline Viccaro 17
Jane M Viccaro 13
John Viccaro 50
John G Viccaro 11
Mary Viccaro 51
Thomas W Viccaro 8

Continue...















***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 8 Nov 2008 13:12

Louise

1851 Continued....

1851 England Census
about Jane M Viccaro
Name: Jane M Viccaro
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Prebend End
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Leckhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 3f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 139
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Viccaro 24
Caroline Viccaro 17
Jane M Viccaro 13
John Viccaro 50
John G Viccaro 11
Mary Viccaro 51
Thomas W Viccaro 8

1851 England Census
about John G Viccaro
Name: John G Viccaro
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Prebend End
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Leckhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 3f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 139
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Viccaro 24
Caroline Viccaro 17
Jane M Viccaro 13
John Viccaro 50
John G Viccaro 11
Mary Viccaro 51
Thomas W Viccaro 8

1851 England Census
about Thomas W Viccaro
Name: Thomas W Viccaro
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Buckingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Prebend End
Town: Buckingham
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub registration district: Leckhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 3f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 139
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Viccaro 24
Caroline Viccaro 17
Jane M Viccaro 13
John Viccaro 50
John G Viccaro 11
Mary Viccaro 51
Thomas W Viccaro 8

John a Butcher

Address Bridge Street