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Brick Walls help on the Census Records***Michelle*

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***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 28 Jan 2012 22:37

Herbert

Just found this before i move on....looks like he is your Albert

1911 England Census about Albert Claude Popple
Name: Albert Claude Popple
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Marylebone, London
Civil parish: Stanley
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: Lake Lock Stanley Nr Wakefield
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Signalman
Registration district: Wakefield
Registration District Number: 504
Sub-registration district: Stanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Piece: 27414
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Claude Popple 24
Elsie Elizabeth Popple 28

I have listed his wives details as well

1911 England Census about Elsie Elizabeth Popple
Name: Elsie Elizabeth Popple
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Harden, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Stanley
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: Lake Lock Stanley Nr Wakefield
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Wakefield
Registration District Number: 504
Sub-registration district: Stanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Piece: 27414
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Claude Popple 24
Elsie Elizabeth Popple 28

listed as married a year

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 28 Jan 2012 22:33

Herbert

Wonder if this is your Albert Claud Popple?

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1922 about Albert Claude Popple
Name: Albert Claude Popple
Birth Year: abt 1887
Age: 22
Marriage or Bann Date: 30 Aug 1909
Parish: Horton, All Saints
Father's Name: Frederick Popple
Spouse's Name: Elsie Elizabeth Hill

Lists father as Frederick (presume his Grandfather) and this would have been so as to have a father listed rather than Frederick really being the father. He wouldn't have wanted to shame his mother. Often when father was unknown a Grandfather or male relative would be listed as father.

Will check to see if this is your Albert later....for now going back to Doris.

Michelle

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 28 Jan 2012 19:17

Herbert

Often works like that, uncover 1 thing and it becomes more complex!! Well don't worry I am working on this tonight....having a break for an hour or so then back to it.

Michelle

Bertikins

Bertikins Report 28 Jan 2012 19:14

Michelle
OK I accept that. It looks as if Claude Albert was born out of wedlock to Georgina. He would be about 8 when she married John, so was he the father? Don't waste any time looking into that as it will probably be untraceable. This is becoming more complicated the more information I get.
Not surprised about the Mr Baxter the lodger's occupation, all the Sharpes worked for the railways.
Herbert

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 28 Jan 2012 17:53

Herbert

I think you have misunderstood me. The 1901 i have posted for Doris is a mistranscription error. It is the Sharpe family...but there name has been written down wrong. Please note the Popple step son there and the record i posted of his baptism.
There were many errors in the census records. Names mispelt, misunderstood and transcribed wrongly. I am certain this is your John and Georgina.

Michelle

Bertikins

Bertikins Report 28 Jan 2012 17:31

Sorry Michelle the Strayers are not connected to me. My John T was my grandfather's brother and he marries Georgina Popple on 26 December 1895, the same day as my grandfather married her widowed sister Emily.
Herbert

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 28 Jan 2012 17:30

Herbert

Albert Claud's 1891 with his Grandmother

1891 England Census about Mary Popple
Name: Mary Popple
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Where born: Kings Cliffe, Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish: Deeping St James
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Deeping St James
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Bourn
Sub-registration district: Deeping
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2558
Folio: 50
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Popple 55
Clara Popple 26
Lois B Popple 17
Charles A Popple 15
Mimie Popple 13
Claude A Popple 4

Mary listed as a Widow and a dressmaker

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 28 Jan 2012 17:20

Herbert

Details of Claude (Albert Claude Popple)

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Albert Claud Popple
Name: Albert Claud Popple
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1887
Baptism Date: 17 Feb 1887
Mother's name: Georgina Popple
Parish or Poor Law Union: St John´s Wood St Mark
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born at Queen Charlottes Hospital Feb 13th 1887

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 28 Jan 2012 17:14

Herbert

For your information John T Sharpe died in 1927

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about John T Sharpe
Name: John T Sharpe
Birth Date: abt 1867
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Huntingdonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 206

I think the 1901 of John T and Georgina was mistranscibed. This is them i believe

1901 England Census about John T Strayer
Name: John T Strayer
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Georgena M Strayer
Gender: Male
Where born: Peterborough
Civil parish: Peterborough Within St John the Baptist
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Paul
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 1464
Folio: 109
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John T Strayer 33
Georgena M Strayer 33
Doris Strayer 4
Claud Albert Popple 14
Jno Thos Baxter 61


1901 England Census about Georgena M Strayer
Name: Georgena M Strayer
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John T Strayer
Gender: Female
Where born: Deeping St James, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Peterborough Within St John the Baptist
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Paul
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 1464
Folio: 109
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John T Strayer 33
Georgena M Strayer 33
Doris Strayer 4
Claud Albert Popple 14
Jno Thos Baxter 61

1901 England Census about Doris Strayer
Name: Doris Strayer
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John T Strayer
Mother's name: Georgena M Strayer
Gender: Female
Where born: Peterborough
Civil parish: Peterborough Within St John the Baptist
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Paul
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 1464
Folio: 109
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John T Strayer 33
Georgena M Strayer 33
Doris Strayer 4
Claud Albert Popple 14
Jno Thos Baxter 61

1901 England Census about Claud Albert Popple
Name: Claud Albert Popple
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Stepson
Mother's name: Georgena M Strayer
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, London, England
Civil parish: Peterborough Within St John the Baptist
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Paul
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 1464
Folio: 109
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John T Strayer 33
Georgena M Strayer 33
Doris Strayer 4
Claud Albert Popple 14
Jno Thos Baxter 61

1901 England Census about Jno Thos Baxter
Name: Jno Thos Baxter
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Maybole Dryung, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Peterborough Within St John the Baptist
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Paul
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 1464
Folio: 109
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John T Strayer 33
Georgena M Strayer 33
Doris Strayer 4
Claud Albert Popple 14
Jno Thos Baxter 61

John a Railway Wagon Repairman


Looking for more.

Michelle


Bertikins

Bertikins Report 28 Jan 2012 15:35

Michelle thanks for this information. I have looked at what I have got, and I am sure that Reginald Richard Dexter is not the Reginald R Dexter who married Doris Sharpe. My mother is sure that Doris was widowed when we used to visit them (she is 95 and memory plays tricks at that age). I have done a mini tree, leaving out unnecessary entries, to make the relationships clearer. I don't know how to attach it to this thread, So I will try to send it through the message line.
Herbert

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 28 Jan 2012 11:43

Herbert

Interesting ..... seems that Reginald's father died in 1939


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about William Dexter
Name: William Dexter
Birth Date: abt 1859
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1939
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 507

Leaving his wife a Widow!

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Fanny Dexter
Name: Fanny Dexter
Birth Date: abt 1862
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1952
Age at Death: 90
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Huntingdonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 782

Wonder if this is where the confusion has come re Reginald and his wife? Maybe it was his mother Fanny who was left the widow?

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 28 Jan 2012 11:38

Herbert

The 1911 of this family, they are living at 93 Westgate Peterborough. In the household is William father now aged 51 listed as a Brickworks foreman. His wife Fanny now aged 50. Reginald aged 15 and listed as a Law Clerk and sister Dora listed aged 13 and at school.

The couple listed as married for 29 years and having had 5 children, only 3 living (2 died).

The couple were married in 1882

View Record Name Spouse Surname Date of Registration Registration district County (inferred) View Image Order Record
View Record Fanny Bryan Jul-Aug-Sep 1882 Peterborough Northamptonshire
View Record William Dexter Jul-Aug-Sep 1882 Peterborough Northamptonshire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about William Dexter
Name: William Dexter
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1882
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 391 (click to see others on page)

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 28 Jan 2012 10:51

Herbert

I do think this is your Doris, as there are no other deaths that look right

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Doris Dexter
Name: Doris Dexter
Birth Date: abt 1897
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1952
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Huntingdonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 552

And I do think Doris Sharpe is this lady

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Doris Sharpe
Name: Doris Sharpe
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1896
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 262 (click to see others on page)

Which looks like a good match to the death record.

And if you are certain Reginald married a Doris Sharpe. Then the man who married her was Reginald R Dexter as the record below shows:

Record Name Spouse Surname Date of Registration Registration district County (inferred) View Image Order Record
View Record Reginald R Dexter Sharpe Jan-Feb-Mar 1922 Peterborough Northamptonshire

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Doris Sharpe
Name: Doris Sharpe
Spouse Surname: Dexter
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1922
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 410
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

You need now to get certificates to ensure you are correct. I would advise getting 1 of the children's certificates to ensure you have both parents correct. Then to obtain the marriage of 1922 to check for both of the father's names of the couple. With this information we could then check 1901 to see if this is your Reginald:

Also i have checked the death registers and I am pretty certain he did not die in the 1940s-50s. There are no deaths in that area in that name. I even checked using Richard and using just Reginald. Could it be possible as it was so long ago, that the information of Doris being a Widow by 1950's being incorrect?

If you could explain your family link to them it would help me. I presume from your surname you are related to the Sharpe side?

This is the 1901 I found which looks to be the Reginald R Dexter in the records I found:

1901 England Census about Richard R Dexter
Name: Richard R Dexter
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm Dexter
Mother's name: Fanny Dexter
Gender: Male
Where born: Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish: Peterborough Within St John the Baptist
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Mark
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Peterborough
Sub-registration district: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 165
Piece: 1464
Folio: 74
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Dexter 41
Fanny Dexter 40
Sidney F Dexter 12
Richard R Dexter 5
Dora Dexter 3

The Writing is very poor on the image.

Michelle

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 27 Jan 2012 21:32

Herbert

Possible Information I have found so far: I need you to check though this info and let me know if any of it is relevant to the information you have on Reginald already?

Record found on the British Postal Service Appointment books


Name: Reginald R Dexter
Date Appointed: Mar 1931
Place Appointed: Peterborough
Listed as Postman

The marriage you mentioned

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Reginald R Dexter
Name: Reginald R Dexter
Spouse Surname: Sharpe
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1922
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 410
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

Doris Sharpe Dexter Jan-Feb-Mar 1922 Peterborough Northamptonshire

Based on this information possible children:

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Marguerite M Dexter
Name: Marguerite M Dexter
Mother's Maiden Surname: Sharpe
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1923
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire/Bedfordshire, Huntingdonshire, Northamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 332 (click to see others on page)

I think this could be Jean? maybe the J of middle name stands for Jean. It was very common at this time for people to use there middle names in preference to the first name.

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Dorothy J Dexter
Name: Dorothy J Dexter
Mother's Maiden Surname: Sharpe
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1925
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 304 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about John W Dexter
Name: John W Dexter
Mother's Maiden Surname: Sharpe
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1931
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire/Bedfordshire, Huntingdonshire, Northamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 289 (click to see others on page)


England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Michael S Dexter
Name: Michael S Dexter
Mother's Maiden Surname: Sharpe
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1935
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire/Bedfordshire, Huntingdonshire, Northamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 266 (click to see others on page)


Possible death of Reginald?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Reginald R Dexter
Name: Reginald R Dexter
Birth Date: abt 1896
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1961
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: Cambridge
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 166

Possible birth of Reginald

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Reginald Richard Dexter
Name: Reginald Richard Dexter
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1896
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 254 (click to see others on page)

I have found this man on the 1901 census and I can find out more.

What you really need to do now is to obtain the marriage certificate if you are certain your Reginald married Doris Sharpe. The marriage would show his age at marriage and the father's name and occupation. With this information I can be certain then we have the right man.

You mentioned in your message a mini tree? I did not have that attached in the message you sent me.

Will wait to hear from you, before i go further with this.

Michelle

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 14 Jan 2012 16:25

Free to help anyone

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 12 Jan 2012 08:12

Jax

Yes thanks Chris posted if for me for reference. It's an older thread from 2011. There was 2 posts in 2012 and as they were not replied to this is why I am happy to help and look for Ellen. I don't normally help with requests if multiple.

Michelle :-D

jax

jax Report 12 Jan 2012 02:17

Michelle

Do you know that Ellen has this thread?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1280455?page=0

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 12 Jan 2012 01:31

Ellen

I have been looking all evening so many possible sightings but not able to prove any. Either William isn't there or the occupation doesn't match or they cannot be found on the 1881. So i have had about 8 tabs open looking at records!

The problem we have with this family is the lack of detail from the 1901. If we had a birthplace to work from this would help hugely! Although looking at the birth records there are none that really match your Stephen(Samuel)?

I have found a family in Essex with a son Samuel around the right age with a father William and I have been looking at this. But no birth record to match him either! There are a couple of Stephens staying with relatives which i have also been looking at. It is a matter of searching every census for the 2 names we have William and Stephen (also Samuel) and following through any possibles to eliminate. This is why it takes time. Then looking for spelling errors (which census records have many)!

So back to the drawing board i go...... and don't worry I am still working on this and will tomorrow also (off work tomorrow!) :-D

EllenS

EllenS Report 11 Jan 2012 16:33

Hi Michelle, the name Samuel came from his youngest son's marriage certificate It stated that his father was Samuel Andrew Palmer??? But that may have been written in error????!!!

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 11 Jan 2012 16:11

Thanks for that Chris! :) Wow after reading the thread looks like a really tricky one! But i am very stubborn so i will keep looking and looking! Interesting i found all the people mentioned in the previous thread and the Greenwich one stuck out to me also!

Ok back to searching and searching. One quick question Ellen, where did the Samuel name come from for Stephen?

Michelle