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Brick Walls help on the Census Records***Michelle*

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EllenS

EllenS Report 11 Jan 2012 15:34

Hi Michelle,

Thank you very much for helping :-D

I am only stuck on the Palmer side. I have been searching for the Palmers for 4 years and cant seem to find them in any census record apart from 1901, baptism records and marriage record which is very frustrating!!

Thank you for helping

Ellen :-(

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 11 Jan 2012 15:34

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1280455

(just adding above Michelle, for reference info. Great to see Anc. have added those Electoral Registers, very grateful to them, lol)

Chris :)

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 11 Jan 2012 14:32

Ellen

Happy to help!

Ok looking forward first from the 1901 census they are in the Electoral records.

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1835-1965 about Stephen Andrew Palmer
Name: Stephen Andrew Palmer
Electoral Year: 1913
County or Borough: Islington
Parliamentary Division: Finsbury East

Living at 13 Nelson Street, Hoxton.

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1835-1965 about Stephen Andrew Palmer
Name: Stephen Andrew Palmer
Electoral Year: 1934
County or Borough: Islington
Parliamentary Division: Finsbury

Gee Street EC1


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1835-1965 about Stephen Andrew Palmer
Name: Stephen Andrew Palmer
Electoral Year: 1937
County or Borough: Islington
Parliamentary Division: Finsbury

13 Central Street EC1

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1835-1965 about Stephen Andrew Palmer
Name: Stephen Andrew Palmer
Electoral Year: 1938
County or Borough: Islington
Parliamentary Division: Finsbury

Same address

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1835-1965 about Stephen Andrew Palmer
Name: Stephen Andrew Palmer
Electoral Year: 1939
County or Borough: Islington
Parliamentary Division: Finsbury

3 Domingo Street EC1
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Stephen A Palmer
Name: Stephen A Palmer
Birth Date: abt 1868
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1941
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 1b
Page: 172

A possible death for Jane?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Jane Palmer
Name: Jane Palmer
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1965
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 1169

Will look back at the census records now. Might take some time so hope you ok to wait? At first glance this looks a tricky one!

Also can you confirm if it's Stephen only you need me to find on census records? or also Jane?

Michelle

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 11 Jan 2012 10:31

Your welcome Irene, always happy to help!

Michelle :-D

Renes

Renes Report 10 Jan 2012 22:19

Yes that has to be him ---


Many thanks Michelle


That looks like me done and dusted ----


xxxxxxxxxxxx

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 10 Jan 2012 22:00

Irene

Think the 1838 record is your Henry found this burial

Dorset, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-2001 about Henry Harlock
Name: Henry Harlock
Birth Year: abt 1837
Age: 8/12
Burial Date: 15 Apr 1838
Parish: Wool

Sad only 8 months old : :-(

two births in 1837 (wonder if they are both your Henry)?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Fox Horlock
Name: Henry Fox Horlock
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1837
Registration district: Wareham
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 8
Page: 90 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Horlock
Name: Henry Horlock
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1837
Registration district: Wareham
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 8
Page: 85 (click to see others on page)


***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 10 Jan 2012 21:40

Irene

Hi and yes was a late night for me!

I did post up there that I think Henry died and here are 2 poss deaths. However to be certain I wil take a look:

Henry Horlock Apr-May-Jun 1838 Wareham Dorset

Henry Horlock Oct-Nov-Dec 1852 Wareham Dorset

Happy to help!! and yes i remember Ada Jane Turner!! :-D

Renes

Renes Report 10 Jan 2012 18:28

Michelle

What a wonderful surprise --- and how late you worked at that -- that brilliant

thank you so much ---

If you have no other inquiries ... or a slack moment ---- would really really appreciate knowing what happened to Henry

As you have sorted all the others out --- if not don't worry

By the way I looked a few weeks ago at some trees on ANC -- some have John Horlock ( from correct parents dying in USA ) and no one but no one ( even alot of trees here ) know that Louisa Fox -- was baptised Elizabeth ( or Eliza from FS ) -- from the correct father and mother --- except me and thee

Well done Michelle

By the by -- it was Ada Jane Turner -- you found --- her husband put his birthplace against her name and vice versa on the census --

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 10 Jan 2012 01:28

Irene

1861

1861 England Census about Eliza Bowring
Name: Eliza Bowring
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Bowring
Gender: Female
Where born: Bere Regis, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Fordington
Ecclesiastical parish: West Fordington
Town: Dorchester
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Dorchester
Sub-registration district: Dorchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 186
Piece: 1354
Folio: 74
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bowring 51
Eliza Bowring 49
Samuel Bowring 21
Charles Bowring 14
Mary Ann Bowring 11
Henry Bowring 9

1871
1871 England Census about Eliza Bowring
Name: Eliza Bowring
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Bowring
Gender: Female
Where born: Bere Regis
Civil parish: Fordington
Town: Dorchester
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Registration district: Dorchester
Sub-registration district: Dorchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 152
Piece: 2011
Folio: 30
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bowring 61
Eliza Bowring 59
Mary Ann Bowring 21
Henry Bowring 19
John Bowring 9
Kate Bowring 1

Death of Eliza

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Eliza Bowering
Name: Eliza Bowering
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1878
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Dorchester
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 233 (click to see others on page)

William as widow on 1881

1881 England Census about William Bowring
Name: William Bowring
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Wool, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Wool
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street Address: Wood Street
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Ag Lab
Registration district: Wareham
Sub-registration district: Wareham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2101
Folio: 52
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Bowring 66
Jane Bowring 63
William Bowring 71

Robert is William's brother and Jane is Robert's wife

Well i will stop there for now!! Let me know what you think about my findings.

Michelle


***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 10 Jan 2012 01:03

Irene

Solved!!! Here is Louisa (now Eliza again!!)

1851 England Census about Eliza Bowering
Name: Eliza Bowering
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Bowering
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bere Regis, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Winfrith Newburgh
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: Wareham
Sub-registration district: Swanage
ED, institution, or vessel: 8b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 1856
Folio: 595
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bowering 48
Eliza Bowering 40
Samuel Bowering 12
Sarah Bowering 8
Charles Bowering 5
Margaret Bowering 4

Look at child Samuel Bowering (Horlock) aged 12 so this is where he was on the 1851!

Child Sarah 1843 is actually John's also

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Sarah Horlock
Name: Sarah Horlock
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1843
Registration district: Wareham
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 8
Page: 116 (click to see others on page)

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 10 Jan 2012 00:34

Irene

Looking at the possible marriage of 1846 which was April 19th of that year. I would say it's likely that John died in 1844. There is a death also in 1846 of a John Horlock but this for last quarter of the year of which Louisa married.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about John Horlock
Name: John Horlock
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1844
Registration district: Wareham
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 8
Page: 116 (click to see others on page)

Based on this record poss burial?

Dorset, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-2001 about John Harlick
Name: John Harlick
Birth Year: abt 1812
Age: 32
Burial Date: 24 Mar 1844
Parish: Wool

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 10 Jan 2012 00:26

Irene

Interesting just found this:

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Louisa Harlock
Name: Louisa Harlock
[Louisa Fox]
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Philip Fox
Spouse's Name: William Bowring
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Bowring
Marriage Date: 19 Apr 1846
Marriage Place: Wool, Dorset, England

Marriage of John and Louisa

Dorset, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Louisa Fox
Name: Louisa Fox
Marriage or Bann Date: 29 Dec 1836
Parish: Wool
Spouse's Name: John Horlork

And an Ann Horlock was a witness (poss mum of John) ? Louisa listed on the banns as a Widow.

Dorset, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Louisa Harlock
Name: Louisa Harlock
Marriage or Bann Date: 19 Apr 1846
Parish: Wool
Father's Name: Philip Fox
Spouse's Name: William Bowring
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Bowring



Renes

Renes Report 9 Jan 2012 23:54

Yes thanks Henry ---- I will have a look to see if Elizabeth had a middle name


My Grannys sister Evelyn married in to this Fox line ( Phillip Fox and Sarah Jesty ) ---- their mother was a Parsons ( who died young in childbirth ) --- two of her Parsons sisters and one brother - also married this branch of Fox --- and another Parsons sister had a base born Fox son --- who later married a Turner ---- my Granny and Evelyn father Turner line

Actually Michelle -- think you found Evelyn --- married Charle Fox -- or it may have Been her sister Ada Jane --- anyway one of the sisters

And I am still searching for her only brother Frederick ---- although I may have found his death ¿¿¿¿

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 9 Jan 2012 23:45

Irene

Night :) I will see what else i can find, 11.45pm here in England!


Michelle

Renes

Renes Report 9 Jan 2012 23:39

Thats looking excellent Michelle


well done


Well you wrapped Samuel and Martha then

Thank you so much

I am off to bed now as it nearly 20 to 1 here in Spain

xxx :-D

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 9 Jan 2012 23:38

Irene

Interesting middle name!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Fox Horlock
Name: Henry Fox Horlock
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1837
Registration district: Wareham
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 8
Page: 90 (click to see others on page)



Possible couple of deaths?

Henry Horlock Apr-May-Jun 1838 Wareham Dorset

Henry Horlock Oct-Nov-Dec 1852 Wareham Dorset

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 9 Jan 2012 23:33

Irene

Poss other child of Martha and Richard

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about William Richard Telford
Name: William Richard Telford
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1870
Registration district: Dorchester
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 321 (click to see others on page)

Dorset, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about William Richard Telford
Name: William Richard Telford
Baptism Date: 10 Mar 1871
Parish: Dorchester Holy Trinity
Father's Name: Richard Telford
Mother's name: Martha Telford

Listed as a Porter Richard, which he was on the 1871 census.

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 9 Jan 2012 23:30

Irene

Think this is Martha

1871 England Census about Martha Telford
Name: Martha Telford
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Gatekeeper
Gender: Female
Where born: Wool, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Dorchester
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Registration district: Dorchester
Sub-registration district: Dorchester

It's a massive record so only showing top part. Husband as Richard Telford. And yet AGAIN the marriage is misspelt. This time for her groom.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Martha Horlock
Name: Martha Horlock
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1866
Registration district: Dorchester
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 567 (click to see others on page)

View Record Martha Horlock Jan-Feb-Mar 1866 Dorchester Dorset

View Record Richard Talfourd Jan-Feb-Mar 1866 Dorchester Dorset

One of the children of Martha and Richard

Dorset, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Alice Mary Telford
Name: Alice Mary Telford
Baptism Date: 14 Feb 1869
Parish: Dorchester Holy Trinity
Father's Name: Richard Telford
Mother's name: Martha Telford

I will re check all this to ensure accurate.

Renes

Renes Report 9 Jan 2012 23:13

Yes please and any thing on Henry

I think the odds of a John Horlock marrying two Fox girls -- Louisa first - them Eliza - having one child with Louisa and then two with Eliza --

and where was Samuel/Lemuel in 1861

Many Many thanks


:-D

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 9 Jan 2012 23:06

Irene

Funny i just found the Fox one also and was looking for the link, as i did not know Eliza's maiden name.

Wow what a mix up!! I also think John was dead between 1841-1851. I did rule out 1 of the deaths. Eliza now we have these other names, could be under them for a death.
Spelling was always a problem on the census records as well as the baptism/marriage records.

Would you like me to look for more on Martha?

Michelle :)