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Brick Walls help on the Census Records***Michelle*

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***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 11 Jun 2010 21:03

Sian

1901 Wales Census
about Winifred Thomas
Name: Winifred Thomas
Age in 1901: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edwin
Mother's Name: Lousia
Gender: Female
Where born: Rogerstone, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Rogerstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Bassaleg
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Rogerstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 147
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Thomas 33
Lousia Thomas 33
Edwin Thomas 11
Eva Thomas 10
May Thomas 8
Winifred Thomas 6
Olive Thomas 4
Cecil Thomas 7 months

1901 Wales Census
about Olive Thomas
Name: Olive Thomas
Age in 1901: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edwin
Mother's Name: Lousia
Gender: Female
Where born: Rogerstone, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Rogerstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Bassaleg
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Rogerstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 147
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Thomas 33
Lousia Thomas 33
Edwin Thomas 11
Eva Thomas 10
May Thomas 8
Winifred Thomas 6
Olive Thomas 4
Cecil Thomas 7 months

1901 Wales Census
about Cecil Thomas
Name: Cecil Thomas
Age in 1901: 7 months
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Mother's Name: Lousia
Gender: Male
Where born: Rogerstone, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Rogerstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Bassaleg
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Rogerstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 147
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Thomas 33
Lousia Thomas 33
Edwin Thomas 11
Eva Thomas 10
May Thomas 8
Winifred Thomas 6
Olive Thomas 4
Cecil Thomas 7 months

Edwin a Steelworker

Address 1 Charles Street








***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 11 Jun 2010 21:00

Sian

I think i do have the right family so i am going to bite the bullet and hope that May is Laura's middle name!

1901 Wales Census
about Edwin Thomas
Name: Edwin Thomas
Age in 1901: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lousia
Gender: Male
Where born: Caerleon, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Rogerstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Bassaleg
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Rogerstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 147
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Thomas 33
Lousia Thomas 33
Edwin Thomas 11
Eva Thomas 10
May Thomas 8
Winifred Thomas 6
Olive Thomas 4
Cecil Thomas 7 months

1901 Wales Census
about Lousia Thomas
Name: Lousia Thomas
Age in 1901: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Edwin
Gender: Female
Where born: Abersychan, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Rogerstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Bassaleg
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Rogerstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 147
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Thomas 33
Lousia Thomas 33
Edwin Thomas 11
Eva Thomas 10
May Thomas 8
Winifred Thomas 6
Olive Thomas 4
Cecil Thomas 7 months

1901 Wales Census
about Edwin Thomas
Name: Edwin Thomas
Age in 1901: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Mother's Name: Lousia
Gender: Male
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Rogerstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Bassaleg
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Rogerstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 147
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Thomas 33
Lousia Thomas 33
Edwin Thomas 11
Eva Thomas 10
May Thomas 8
Winifred Thomas 6
Olive Thomas 4
Cecil Thomas 7 months

1901 Wales Census
about Eva Thomas
Name: Eva Thomas
Age in 1901: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edwin
Mother's Name: Lousia
Gender: Female
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Rogerstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Bassaleg
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Rogerstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 147
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Thomas 33
Lousia Thomas 33
Edwin Thomas 11
Eva Thomas 10
May Thomas 8
Winifred Thomas 6
Olive Thomas 4
Cecil Thomas 7 months

1901 Wales Census
about May Thomas
Name: May Thomas
Age in 1901: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edwin
Mother's Name: Lousia
Gender: Female
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Rogerstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Bassaleg
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Rogerstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 147
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Thomas 33
Lousia Thomas 33
Edwin Thomas 11
Eva Thomas 10
May Thomas 8
Winifred Thomas 6
Olive Thomas 4
Cecil Thomas 7 months

Continue....















***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 11 Jun 2010 20:46

Sian

Researching your family i am wondering if Augustus died?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Augustus Thomas
Name: Augustus Thomas
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 0
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 131 (click to see others on page)


I am not seeing him on the 1901 census.If you could let me know about Laura's middle name please.
Also could you let me know the address at her birth.
Michelle

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 11 Jun 2010 20:10

Sian

Thanks for your message. Although i don't think Edwin was born 1897 as you stated, as he married Louisa in 1889. Here is the record

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Louisa Probert
Name: Louisa Probert
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Newport M
County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 330 (click to see others on page)

Louisa Probert 1889 Newport M Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire

Edwin Thomas 1889 Newport M Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire




***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 10 Jun 2010 22:16

Julie

1881 for Charles

1881 England Census
about Charles Everitt
Name: Charles Everitt
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham, Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: Maldon Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Laborer

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Witham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Everitt 30
Rebecca Everitt 27
Charles H. Everitt 3
Ernest G. Everitt

1881 England Census
about Rebecca Everitt
Name: Rebecca Everitt
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelmsford, Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: Maldon Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Witham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Everitt 30
Rebecca Everitt 27
Charles H. Everitt 3
Ernest G. Everitt

1881 England Census
about Charles H. Everitt
Name: Charles H. Everitt
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham, Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: Maldon Road
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Witham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Everitt 30
Rebecca Everitt 27
Charles H. Everitt 3
Ernest G. Everitt

1881 England Census
about Ernest G. Everitt
Name: Ernest G. Everitt
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham, Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: Maldon Road
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Witham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Everitt 30
Rebecca Everitt 27
Charles H. Everitt 3
Ernest G. Everitt












***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 10 Jun 2010 22:12

Julie

1891 Continued...

1891 England Census
about Stanley Everett
Name: Stanley Everett
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham, Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
Ecclesiastical parish: Witham
Town: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Witham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Everett 48
Rebecca Everett 37
Charles Everett 14
Ernest Everett 12
Wm Everett 7
Stanley Everett 6
Edith Everett 3
Edward Everett 1

1891 England Census
about Edith Everett
Name: Edith Everett
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Female
Where born: Witham, Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
Ecclesiastical parish: Witham
Town: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Witham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Everett 48
Rebecca Everett 37
Charles Everett 14
Ernest Everett 12
Wm Everett 7
Stanley Everett 6
Edith Everett 3
Edward Everett 1

1891 England Census
about Edward Everett
Name: Edward Everett
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham, Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
Ecclesiastical parish: Witham
Town: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Witham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Everett 48
Rebecca Everett 37
Charles Everett 14
Ernest Everett 12
Wm Everett 7
Stanley Everett 6
Edith Everett 3
Edward Everett 1

Charles a Ag Lab
Charles Junior a Ag Lab

Address Maldon Road








***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 10 Jun 2010 22:05

Julie

Sorry i havent been online for a few days and have just seen your lookup request.
Here looks like your Charles, although no birth details were given for him?birthyear and place etc.

1891 England Census
about Charles Everett
Name: Charles Everett
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham, Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
Ecclesiastical parish: Witham
Town: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Witham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Everett 48
Rebecca Everett 37
Charles Everett 14
Ernest Everett 12
Wm Everett 7
Stanley Everett 6
Edith Everett 3
Edward Everett 1

1891 England Census
about Rebecca Everett
Name: Rebecca Everett
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelmsford, Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
Ecclesiastical parish: Witham
Town: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Witham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Everett 48
Rebecca Everett 37
Charles Everett 14
Ernest Everett 12
Wm Everett 7
Stanley Everett 6
Edith Everett 3
Edward Everett 1


1891 England Census
about Charles Everett
Name: Charles Everett
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham, Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
Ecclesiastical parish: Witham
Town: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Witham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Everett 48
Rebecca Everett 37
Charles Everett 14
Ernest Everett 12
Wm Everett 7
Stanley Everett 6
Edith Everett 3
Edward Everett 1

1891 England Census
about Ernest Everett
Name: Ernest Everett
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham, Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
Ecclesiastical parish: Witham
Town: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Witham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Everett 48
Rebecca Everett 37
Charles Everett 14
Ernest Everett 12
Wm Everett 7
Stanley Everett 6
Edith Everett 3
Edward Everett 1

1891 England Census
about Wm Everett
Name: Wm Everett
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham, Essex, England

Civil parish: Witham
Ecclesiastical parish: Witham
Town: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Braintree
Sub-registration district: Witham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Everett 48
Rebecca Everett 37
Charles Everett 14
Ernest Everett 12
Wm Everett 7
Stanley Everett 6
Edith Everett 3
Edward Everett 1

Continue....














Julie

Julie Report 5 Jun 2010 10:38

Dear Michelle
Any information you can find for CHARLES EVERETT (last known address, as stated on his son's marriage certificate dated 10 January 1912) is 67 Anchor Street, Chelmsford, Essex. He was listed as an agricultural labourer. His son Edward James Everett b.9.3.1890 m. Nellie Amelia Sleet b.1890.
Thank you
Julie

A Lancashire

A Lancashire Report 4 May 2010 03:40

Hi Michelle
Re Thomas Hall, thank you so much for your time and effort, so sad nothing turned up. I am grateful for your advice and will work through those options, and hopefully I'll turn something up.
Thank you again
Molly

Natalie

Natalie Report 3 May 2010 21:46


Michelle

Thanks so much for your time and effort on this.

I'll try and find some more information.

Natalie

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 3 May 2010 16:42

Molly

Sorry i have searched lots of sites and nothing.I do think that Thomas was at sea at the time of the census and this is why he is not showing.It is really disappointing i know.Mariners are the hardest people to research as i mentioned before.
The one compensation you do have is you know Mary Ann's maiden name. Your next step now would depend on where you live.If you live near Norfolk that would be my first guess for the marriage record.You could search the records there for Mary Ann Cox and her marriage to Thomas Hall.If you are not near Norfolk then i would google for Norfolk lookup exchange and see what lookups they have to offer.First place to try would be where the 1st child was born, as its possible they married there also.
Another idea would be to ring the Norfolk records office and ask them to advise your options, they may do a lookup for you, which you would have to pay for. Other options are to ask on the Records Office Board if there are any members living in Norfolk willing to look for you.
I did notice on 1 site a family of Halls in Norfolk King Lynns.The records were for baptism's after 1813 there were children born to a John Hall who was a boatman and his wife Mary Ann.Maybe nothing but is a poss for Thomas's family.Although Hall is not the most uncommon surname is it!

Found this info on a site re sailors on census records

1841 Seamen on shore on census night were enumerated in the same way as the general public, in the place where they spent that night. There was no provision made for recording seamen at sea on census night.

Good luck Molly,hope you find something soon.

Michelle

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 3 May 2010 14:17

Natalie

I have looked and looked and nothing.My advice to you would be to obtain both marriage certs in a hope that 1 of them will hold clues.
This surname is very mistransribed through the records. This could be the problem? Although all my usual methods to find mistranscriptions have not worked...and this is unusual. I am also wondering if he was born with mother's surname?can't see a death for the father which again makes me wonder re surname? The 1901 and 1911 list him as Henry E Lovesay and both do say Lambeth, but experience has shown me does not always mean 100% he was born in Lambeth.
I am really sorry wish i could have helped.
Let me know when you have the marriage certs i would like to help further with this.
Michelle

A Lancashire

A Lancashire Report 3 May 2010 03:43

Hi Michelle
Re Thomas Hall, I have not sent for any death certs as I have no idea of Thomas's age . He was alive cJan 1842 as he had a daughter born September 1842. His wife Mary Ann remarried in Sept 1849.
My hope was that he was there in 1841 census, it was just me who couldn't find him.
I hope you come across something later.
Thank you for trying
Molly

Natalie

Natalie Report 2 May 2010 20:03




Thanks very much Michelle.

Natalie

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 2 May 2010 17:02

Natalie

I have the Ancestry details, however 1 of the witness names is not listed in full and was hoping you had the marriage cert.
Will keep on looking through census.
Thanks

Michelle

Natalie

Natalie Report 2 May 2010 16:41



Michelle

Can I get back to you on the marriage cert. details? I found it on Ancestry at library and haven't got a copy yet.
His age and birthplace I gave you are from 1901 census.

Natalie

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 2 May 2010 14:58

Molly

I will take a look for you. Although i think it is most likely that a census wasnt taken for him. Mariner's are often left off census records...especially the earlier census records. The 1841 was the first census and many people are not recorded on it. With later census records if a person was not at home on the night of the census it was followed up, however earlier census this did not always happen. If Thomas was a mariner it is quite possible he was at sea on the night of the census and so was not listed. I have seen many cases of this. I once reseached a mariner and only found him on 1 census! and he was alive for 80 years.
I will see if i can find anything. Have you sent for any of the possible death certificates? On my first look i saw a Thomas Hall as a patient on the 1841 and a death late 1842 in same area.Maybe nothing will look further later.

Michelle

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 2 May 2010 14:53

Sian

Do you know where they were born, or where they lived please?Could do with county at least.
Also can i clarify surname was Thomas?or have you left it off?

Thanks

Michelle

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 2 May 2010 13:52

Natalie

Can you give me details of the marriage cert please. Witness names and where couple were living at time of marriage and also ages at marriage.

Michelle

A Lancashire

A Lancashire Report 1 May 2010 12:52

Hi Michelle
I would really appreciate your help with finding any details on the 1841 census for Thomas Hall, mariner. I have tried so many times with no success.
I have the baptism record for his son William born in Lynn ,Norfolk in 1838, fathers name Thomas Hall, mariner, mothers name Mary Ann.
I have his daughter Betsy Ellens birth certificate, born Boston, Lins in 1842, Father Thomas Hall, mariner, mother Mary ann Cox.
I can find Mary Ann Hall [born Boston Lincs] with children in 1841 Boston Lincs census but no sign of Thomas.
By 1851 Boston Census Mary Ann has remarried [Martin Parvin] so presumably Thomas is dead.
I have no idea of his age or place of birth so the 1841 census is my only hope.
Please will you try to find him for me?
Have to go offline now but will be back later
Many thanks
Molly