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angie2405

angie2405 Report 10 Nov 2008 22:31

Hi Michelle

WOW !I've been able to add so much to my tree now - some gaps filled in :)

On the 1901 Census for George Parkey could you possibly:

1. give me the order of the names from the actual census return - just trying to work out who Mary Elizabeth Packey aged 7mnths belongs to

and

2. does the census actually show George's wife as Miriam? It' just that I've checked on Cheshire BMD, FreeBMD and Ancestry BMD - for a marriage for George & Miriam - but can't find anything ! I did find a marriage for a George Parkey and Elizabeth Hague - but I think that could be George Jnr ?!?

I can't thank you enough for all the help you have given me .

Regards

Angie

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 10 Nov 2008 23:14

Ann

Been looking since i got home at work.IGI not being kind there are alot of John Davies's!only possibles i saw were submitted records-which you cannot rely on being accurate.
The 1841 there are a few Davies families living near each other.The 1's you mentioned earlier look to be living next door on the record i have from the site i use.

1841 Wales Census
about John Davies
Name: John Davies
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
John Davies 40
Mary Davies 35
Anne Davies 14
Anna Davies 12
John Davies 9
Margaret Davies 7
Mary Davies 5
David Davies 2

1841 Wales Census
about Mary Davies
Name: Mary Davies
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
John Davies 40
Mary Davies 35
Anne Davies 14
Anna Davies 12
John Davies 9
Margaret Davies 7
Mary Davies 5
David Davies 2

1841 Wales Census
about Anne Davies
Name: Anne Davies
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
John Davies 40
Mary Davies 35
Anne Davies 14
Anna Davies 12
John Davies 9
Margaret Davies 7
Mary Davies 5
David Davies 2

1841 Wales Census
about Anna Davies
Name: Anna Davies
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
John Davies 40
Mary Davies 35
Anne Davies 14
Anna Davies 12
John Davies 9
Margaret Davies 7
Mary Davies 5
David Davies 2

1841 Wales Census
about John Davies
Name: John Davies
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Gender: Male
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
John Davies 40
Mary Davies 35
Anne Davies 14
Anna Davies 12
John Davies 9
Margaret Davies 7
Mary Davies 5
David Davies 2

1841 Wales Census
about Margaret Davies
Name: Margaret Davies
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
John Davies 40
Mary Davies 35
Anne Davies 14
Anna Davies 12
John Davies 9
Margaret Davies 7
Mary Davies 5
David Davies 2

Continue...

















***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 10 Nov 2008 23:21

Ann

1841 Continued...

1841 Wales Census
about Mary Davies
Name: Mary Davies
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
John Davies 40
Mary Davies 35
Anne Davies 14
Anna Davies 12
John Davies 9
Margaret Davies 7
Mary Davies 5
David Davies 2

1841 Wales Census
about David Davies
Name: David Davies
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
John Davies 40
Mary Davies 35
Anne Davies 14
Anna Davies 12
John Davies 9
Margaret Davies 7
Mary Davies 5
David Davies 2

John a Mason

Rachel was listed as next door alone
1841 Wales Census
about Rachel David
Name: Rachel David
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1776
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
Rachel David 65

and Anna next door to her although these 2 could be together.

1841 Wales Census
about Anna Davies
Name: Anna Davies
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
Anna Davies 60

Both Ind

Next door to them

1841 Wales Census
about David Davies
Name: David Davies
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
David Davies 50
Frances Davies 50
Dan Davies 15
Sophia Davies 13
Sem Davies 6

1841 Wales Census
about Frances Davies
Name: Frances Davies
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
David Davies 50
Frances Davies 50
Dan Davies 15
Sophia Davies 13
Sem Davies 6

1841 Wales Census
about Dan Davies
Name: Dan Davies
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
David Davies 50
Frances Davies 50
Dan Davies 15
Sophia Davies 13
Sem Davies 6

Continue....





















***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 10 Nov 2008 23:26

Ann

1841 Continued...

1841 Wales Census
about Sophia Davies
Name: Sophia Davies
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
David Davies 50
Frances Davies 50
Dan Davies 15
Sophia Davies 13
Sem Davies 6

1841 Wales Census
about Sem Davies
Name: Sem Davies
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Male
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
David Davies 50
Frances Davies 50
Dan Davies 15
Sophia Davies 13
Sem Davies 6

David a Ag Lab

a couple of doors away from David

1841 Wales Census
about Mary Davies
Name: Mary Davies
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
Mary Davies 20
Ammy Davies 3

1841 Wales Census
about Ammy Davies
Name: Ammy Davies
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abernant
Hundred: Elvet
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub registration district: Conwil
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
Mary Davies 20
Ammy Davies 3

Mary Ind

Davies maybe a common surname of the area but some of the above must be related.

For mother Mary's name you will need to obtain the birth cert of 1 of the younger children.

Michelle









***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 10 Nov 2008 23:35

Angela

I couldn't see a marriage also so maybe they didn't marry?
The census image was in order of age so parents 1st then Maud,Sarah,Frederick then Mary(Baby)and lastly servants.

Hope that helps.Oh and also she was Miriam on the Census image.

Michelle

Ann

Ann Report 10 Nov 2008 23:50

Thanks for all of that Michelle. Are the submitted records worth looking at?

As John and Mary named a daughter Anna do you think Anna Davies next door aged 60 is John's mother?

Would you have any birth and marriage records for John please - and Mary if possible.

Would you have marriage record for David Davies born c 1861 to Mary H circa 1863?

Could you do 1881 which may have John and David still living together in same house or maybe David had left by then.

Are you able to go back beyond 1841 or are these the submitted records you referred to?

Would be very grateful if you can do above.

Thanks Michelle

Ann

Ann

Ann Report 10 Nov 2008 23:55

Just received your last batch

Thanks
Ann

angie2405

angie2405 Report 11 Nov 2008 00:34

Thank you for checking the images for me.

Could you look at the 1901 census for George Parkey Junr who was born in 1880 - there is a marriage for him to Elizabeth Hague in 1900 - so they should both appear on the 1901 census.

Regards

Angie

meindoors

meindoors Report 11 Nov 2008 01:44

Hi Michelle

I have a condundrum for you. Herman(n) Davis, son of Isaac and Clare nee Belcher. Born c1859, married(?) Eliza Dowle (Dowel) and had 3 children - Maud, Eliza and Mary. They are on the 1891 and 1901 census'. I cannot find any trace of Herman or Eliza's birth or their marriage certs and although I have found Eliza's death details I cannot find Hermans. I believe they were born and lived in London.

Any help or tips would be gratefully accepted.

Thank you
Pam

Neville & Kerry

Neville & Kerry Report 11 Nov 2008 01:57

Hi again Michelle,I was just wondering if you had managed to find anything on the Bowers lines?I know you've been flatout,so you might not be up to mine as yet. Info on pg3 ,Alexander Bowers B:before 1850-Died1886-87.Wife Emily(Greenock B:1850-51).+James Bowers B:1838 married Agnus Scott in 1869 in Tasmania Australia,had 4 boys Charles 1870,Thomas 1872,James 1871 d1940 and Albert 1875-d1919,all born in Tasmania.Trying to find where James snr and Agnus came from."Thankyou" for helping

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 11 Nov 2008 09:36

Ann

The submitted records were the birth's for John and Mary.What you may need to do is to make a call or a visit to the where the parish records are kept for the birthplaces of John and Mary.I presume by the 1841 i saw Carmarthan Records Office?They would hold parish records for the area.I do not think you should go by the submitted records as they can be very wrong sometimes and its too risky in tree making to make guesses.The point you are at in your tree means more contacting records offices and looking online at OPC sites-Online Parish Sites where their are people who have records for the different parishes-christening,marriages,deaths.Before 1837 their were no certs of record of birth and births were put in parish registers.Same with marriages.
You have given me quite alot to do and i have to work at my job this aft and tonight.I have a few waiting before yours so if you could wait till tomorrow i will have a look.

Michelle

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 11 Nov 2008 09:39

Booboo

Sorry no i haven't found anything as yet and keep meaning to go back to yours then more requests come through!

Michelle

Ann

Ann Report 11 Nov 2008 09:59

Thanks for your advice Michelle. Look forward to any further info you can provide.

Don't want to be a nuisance or stop you from helping other people. I'm very grateful for all of your help.

Ann

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 11 Nov 2008 10:47

Margaret

You mentioned the Warwickshire area.Do you know if the family remained in this area?If you want me to look for marriages need some idea of where they were as Smith is such a common surname.

Michelle

Neville & Kerry

Neville & Kerry Report 11 Nov 2008 13:02

No worries Michelle,I know your flat out.I'm still searching whenever you can get a look,Thankyou for replying so quick and thanks for not forgetting me.No Hurry.Tah

Margaret

Margaret Report 11 Nov 2008 17:36

Hi Michelle
John Smith and Ellen edden were their parents .John born Woodford Halse 1855/56 Ellen Edden born Eydon 1851/52.They had 7 children allborn Eydon Daventry and whitchurch Stratford on Avon .In 1901 John and Ellen living Gorse Barn Cottages Attleborough Nuneaton but nothing after that except John appears as next of Kin on williams war medical record living at same address.John was a farm labourer in1901 as most of family were .4 children were Attleborough 1901 .James i think was on a farm with an Uncle Harry smith im not sure ,
Would love to find them along with John and Ellen.
Can you help !!
mags

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 11 Nov 2008 22:32

Angela

Here is the 1901 you requested

1901 England Census
about George Parkey Junr.
Name: George Parkey Junr.
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Stalybridge, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Matley
Ecclesiastical parish: Mottram in Longdendale
Town: Matley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne
Sub registration district: Stalybridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Hayne 58
Elizabeth Parkey 23
George Parkey 21
George W Parkey 1 month
Arthur Thompson 16

1901 England Census
about Elizabeth Parkey
Name: Elizabeth Parkey
[Elizabeth Hayne]
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Hemmingfield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Matley
Ecclesiastical parish: Mottram in Longdendale
Town: Matley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne
Sub registration district: Stalybridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Hayne 58
Elizabeth Parkey 23
George Parkey 21
George W Parkey 1 month
Arthur Thompson 16

1901 England Census
about George W Parkey
Name: George W Parkey
Age: 1 month
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Matley, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Matley
Ecclesiastical parish: Mottram in Longdendale
Town: Matley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne
Sub registration district: Stalybridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Hayne 58
Elizabeth Parkey 23
George Parkey 21
George W Parkey 1 month
Arthur Thompson 16

1901 England Census
about Jane Hayne
Name: Jane Hayne
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Woodley, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Matley
Ecclesiastical parish: Mottram in Longdendale
Town: Matley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne
Sub registration district: Stalybridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Hayne 58
Elizabeth Parkey 23
George Parkey 21
George W Parkey 1 month
Arthur Thompson 16

1901 England Census
about Arthur Thompson
Name: Arthur Thompson
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Stalybridge, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Matley
Ecclesiastical parish: Mottram in Longdendale
Town: Matley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne
Sub registration district: Stalybridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Hayne 58
Elizabeth Parkey 23
George Parkey 21
George W Parkey 1 month
Arthur Thompson 16

George a Farmer
Jane Widow and living by own means
Arthur a Ag Lab

Address is next door to George Senior!!listed as Closes?-this is what it looks like.















***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 11 Nov 2008 23:26

Booboo

Hi again.Couldn't see your thread-moved from page 3 and wanted to look into yours again.A couple of questions.

1 James Bowers-have you details from his marriage to Agnes?father's name and occupation?witness names?age at marriage

2 Have you his death record?Does it state where he was born?and age at death?

I do not have World Access i only have access to Scotland and England and Wales and Channel Island Census Records.There are James Bowers on the census records but without cert info re place of birth would be hard to know which is him.

Also have you looked for a birth in Aus?Or if not born in Aus asked Cherilyn on the Records Office Board to check for records of when he entered Aus?

Let me know what you can from above and also Agnes info if you have it.

Michelle

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 12 Nov 2008 00:12

Margaret

Couple of poss deaths for John.Do you know what year the military record you had was for?1 record is for a John W and was unsure if he had a middle name?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about John W Smith
Name: John W Smith
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Year of Registration: 1923
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 66
District: Nuneaton
County: Leicestershire, Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 675 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about John Smith
Name: John Smith
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Year of Registration: 1919
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 65
District: Nuneaton
County: Leicestershire, Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 1039 (click to see others on page)

Its scarey the surname Smith just look at 1 page of results of marriages in Nuneaton

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
View Record

George Smith 1901 Nuneaton Leicestershire, Warwickshire
View Record

Preview
Name: George Smith
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Nuneaton
County: Leicestershire, Warwickshire
Volume: 6d

Take a look at the picture to see even more.

See more

George Smith 1905 Nuneaton Leicestershire, Warwickshire
View Record

George Smith 1907 Nuneaton Leicestershire, Warwickshire
View Record

George Smith 1908 Nuneaton Leicestershire, Warwickshire
View Record

George Smith 1909 Nuneaton Leicestershire, Warwickshire
View Record

George Smith 1911 Nuneaton Leicestershire, Warwickshire
View Record

George Smith 1919 Burdfield Nuneaton Leicestershire, Warwickshire
View Record

George Smith 1919 Fox Nuneaton Leicestershire, Warwickshire
View Record

George Smith 1921 Baldwin Nuneaton Leicestershire, Warwickshire
View Record

George Smith 1921 Willett Nuneaton Leicestershire, Warwickshire

and there is another 1 and a half pages!!did George have a middle name?same with other kids.Have you middle names for any of the children?

You really could do with an Electoral Roll lookup for the family.Or 192.com lookup.I would advise you to put a thread with all details on the Records Board to ask if anyone has access to Electoral Roll for this period.Of course the eagerly awaited 1911 will answer alot of your questions.

If no luck on the boards sites such as Find My Past and 192.com have records of address etc.But you do have to buy credits to view.










Margaret

Margaret Report 12 Nov 2008 09:20

Hi Michelle

Thanks for advice.I don't know if John had a middle name .The War medical record dates between march 1915 when William was 29 .The form says Short service with what looks likes it has been stamped special army order transfered to army reserves .Serviced ended about 1918 due to ill health.Wonder why he joined so late and how he got in as it looks like he had heart problems and something wrong with his back .As for children their names were .
Mary Milliacent Everline Eydon 1876
John George Eydon 1879
James Thomas Eydon 1882
George Edden Eydon 1884
William Edden Daventry 1886
Edith Elizabeth Daventry 1888
Edden Whitchurch 1891.

Both George and Edden were my Grandads as my parents were 1st cousins !
Thanks again Mags