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Hi Kirsty

My name is Derek Crabtree and looking for relatives before 1820.
Jonathan Crabtree born 1820 in Hebdon Bridge, Yorkshire.
Apparent two wives; Mary Allison 1831 And Jane Ellison 1845 I think both were born in Bishop Aukland, Durham.
Between them they had 10 Children.
As far as I am aware Jonathans farther was also a Jonathan and possible wife Betty.
His Father was born about 1808 and married around 1742ish
Hope you can help

Derek G Crabtree

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Hi Kirsty, big ..huge,,,,massive favour please, could you help me with 1901 census for my Ggrandfather James Arnold born Ireland , there are two ...
one born 1875 ,showing as living at Durham,West Hartlepool, another
born 1877, he is at Wavertree, the years are about right,

He was a Ferry Engine Keeper on my nans marriage cert, so am hoping
similiar occupation might give me some clue, stuck on this one,
dont know what else to try,? just googled Wavertree and its across the sea from Dublin,so that might be him ?
gill

Dave I will have a good look tomorrow for you when the kids are out!

Gill

Name: James Arnold
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: West Hartlepool
Ecclesiastical parish: West Hartlepool St Paul
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Police Constable

Name: James W Arnold
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Georgina V E
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Wavertree
Ecclesiastical parish: Wavertree Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Book keeper

There is another 1 but at the moment am unable to look at original.

Who, when & where did he marry I will try and trace her and might be able to find him that way?

Kirsty

Gill just realised you have your Nan's marriage cert not his ~ another blonde moment!!

Give me the info of your Nan and I will try and have a look for her birth and parents marriage

Kirsty

Kirsty

Would you like a challenge?? My gt grandmother is a non-person before her marriage.

My gt grandparents Walter Jarrett and Charlotte Maria Doncaster were married in December 1902 Marylebone. Charlotte's father was down as William Henry Doncaster decd - one of the witnesses was a W H Doncaster - possibly brother?

Walter Jarrett born 1876 Marylebone - can't find him on the 1901 census.

Charlotte Maria Doncaster born 1879 Kensington according to the 1911 census. Can't find any birth details for her or any census return that links her to any parents. The other two Charlotte Doncasters born around that time in Hackney and Lambeth have the wrong fathers.

I have found a Charlotte Doncaster in a nursing home in Herne Bay in 1881, a Maria Doncaster in an orphanage in 1891 and can't find either a Maria or Charlotte in 1901.

Charlotte would have been about 5/6 months pregnant with their first child at the time of the 1901 census. She lied in the 1911 census and said she's been married 13 years when she had only been married 9.

There is a birth registration for a Maria Doncaster in 1879 in Kensington - birth certificate has parents as Henry Doncaster and Susan Savill - address 16 Hayden Mews, Kensington. These Doncasters in 1881 have no Maria with them but they do have a son called William (possibly the witness at the marriage).

If you have time could you see if you could find them on the 1901 census.
There is a Walter Jarrett with a wife Elizabeth in 1901 but he's from Nottingham - so don't think he's mine.

Charlotte's doing my head in - if she weren't already dead I'd throttle her!

Thanks
Dee

Kirsty , just been grave hunting this morning, found Ggrandfather,s on my grandmothers marriage cert he is James
Thomson Arnold ,on grave he is Thomson Arnold ,also i totally had wrong birth year, he was 1884,! not sure if you are able to help with Scotland? he married Lillias Small Bonthron Thomson July 1906 ,at 2 Holyrood Quadrant ? living at ,145 Garscube Rd.
my aunt has held me up for nearly a month promising nans
birth cert, and still no show, so will have to order that myself..
thanks gill

Derek,

JONATHAN CRABTREE Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 13 APR 1820

Christening: 26 JUN 1820 Halifax, Yorkshire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JONATHAN CRABTREE Family
Mother: BETTY

CHILDREN

1. JONAS CRABTREE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 AUG 1809 Halifax, Yorkshire, England

2. JOHN CRABTREE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 MAY 1818 Halifax, Yorkshire, England

3. JONATHAN CRABTREE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 13 APR 1820

4. JONATHAN CRABTREE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 JUN 1820 Halifax, Yorkshire, England

5. MARY CRABTREE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 AUG 1814 Halifax, Yorkshire, England

6. SALLY CRABTREE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 FEB 1816 Halifax, Yorkshire, England

7. HANNAH CRABTREE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 JUN 1812 Halifax, Yorkshire, England

MARRIAGE?

Jonathan Crabtree Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: Betty Family (1787>


I have got this information from the following site

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search

Kirsty

Gill,
What do we know about Lillias Small Bonthron Thomson?

Kirsty

Dorothy,

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
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BORRETT Emma Marylebone 1a 912
Chevalier William Alfred Marylebone 1a 912
Doncaster William Henry Marylebone 1a 912
Le Clercq Pauline * Marylebone 1a 912


Marriages Jun 1875 (>99%)
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AKROYD Martha Camberwell 1d 943
DONCASTER William Henry Camberwell 1d 943
DYER John Camberwell 1d 943
Row Louise Camberwell 1d 943


Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%)
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Doncaster William Henry Kensington 1a 204
Gregory Margaret Kensington 1a 204
Swain Amelia Kensington 1a 204
Swaine Amelia Kensington 1a 204
Taylor Fredrick Robert Kensington 1a 204


What do we know about Walter from the marriage cert?
Father etc

Also what was William Henry's occupationbefore he died?


Kirsty

Lillias was born 1885,Girvan, Ayrshire, parents were,
Alexander Harley Thomson 1857, North Berwickshire,
Jane Collin Crombie,1863 .Eyemouth, , these Scots are brilliant at including past surnames into names of children...wish i'd thought of it when i had mine,....thanks Kirsty,,,,gill

Hi Kirsty, Could you try and find WILLIAM CLARKE c1829 for me please. All I know about him is he had Family in Willoughby Waterley, Leicestershire and one of his sons JOHN CLARKE c1857 married MARY HAINES c1858 in 1877. I've be looking on Genes Reunited and can not see him. Regards JOHN.

Gill,

1901

Name: Lillias Thomson
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relationship: Daugh (Daughter)
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Girvan
Registration Number: 622/1
Registration district: Maryhill
Civil Parish: Maryhill
Town: Glasgow
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 92 Agnes St
Occupation: Tea Room Waikess

Household Members: Name Age
Jane Thomson 38
Lillias Thomson 16
Andrew Thomson 14
James Thomson 10
Jane Thomson 8
Alexander Thomson 4
William Thomson 1


What wasJames's father called and his occupation?

how do you know he was from Ireland?

Kirsty

John,

1881

Name: John Clarke
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Willowby, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Belgrave
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address: 12 Mosomacre Hill
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Barrow Upon Soar
Sub registration district: Rothley
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Clarke 25
Mary Clarke 24
S. Clarke 2
Ellen Clarke 1

1871

Name: John Clarke
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Willoughby, Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Willoughby Waterless
Town: Willoughby Waterless
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Lutterworth
Sub registration district: Lutterworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
William Clarke 40 Ag lab
Mary Ann Clarke 42 Cosby, Leicestershire, England ~ seamstress
John Clarke 14 ploughboy
William Clarke 7
Thomas Clarke 5
Anne Clarke 3
James Clarke 1

All others born in Willoughby

1861

Name: John Clarke
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Willoughby, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Willoughby Waterless
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Lutterworth
Sub registration district: Lutterworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
William Clarke 30
Mary Ann Clarke 32
Rebecca Clarke 9 Cosby, Leicestershire, England
John Clarke 5
Isaac Clarke 2 Mo

1851

Name: William Clarke
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Willoughby, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Cosby
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Blaby
Sub registration district: Wigston
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
William Clarke 21
Mary Ann Clarke 23

1881

Name: Mary Ann Clarke
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Cosby, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Willoughby Waterless
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Condition as to marriage: Windower

Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Seamstress

Registration district: Lutterworth
Sub registration district: Lutterworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Clarke 53
Richard Clarke 15
James Clarke 11

1841?????

Name: William Clarke
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Cosby
Hundred: Guthlaxton
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Blaby
Sub registration district: Enderby
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Clarke 30
Mary Clarke 30
William Clarke 12
Rebecca Clarke 10
Maria Clarke 8
Henry Clarke 6
Mary Clarke 6 Mo

Hope this helps

Kirsty

Hi Kirsty I am hoping for a look up in 1901 for Joseph Cunningham bornaborn 1883 St Helens lancashire, works in glass factory.

Not much to go on but hoping you can help me.

Many thanks

Wendy

Thank you very much Kirsty. I dont know how you do it so fast.
Regards JOHN.

Wendy,

Name: Joseph Cunningham
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Bridget
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: St Helen
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Prescot
Sub registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 343
Household Members: Name Age
Bridget Mannion 46 Ireland
John Cunningham 28 Huddenfield, Yorkshire, England
Joseph Cunningham 18 Glass hand?
Agnes Magee 23 daughter married to James
James Magee 25
Thomas Magee 2
James Magee 1

Hope this helps

Kirsty

Kirsty , bless your cotton socks! didn't have siblings,William,Jane orJames.and neither did anyone else!! The only info i have on Lillias.s husband is on nans marriage cert,,

James Thompson Arnold ,1884 Ferry Engine Keeper, i thought the THOMPSON might have been an error as Lillias was a Thomson!

but my uncle was a Thompson, so i know i have the correct name,
I have been told he was born in Ireland and went Scotland for work have no idea if this was with family, or on his own... thinking about it getting my nans birth cert but won't tell me his birth place , will it? i would love to start on the Irish side but just cant pin him down..gill

Thanks for that Kirsty, much appreciated.

Wendy

Gill,
another thought do you know when & where they died?

You might want to put a thread up asking for someone to search the Scottish people's site if they stayed in Scotland

Kirsty

Kirsty, they both died here in Hertfordshire,, BUT, have added the siblings you found to my treeand have quite a few matches,,,so fingers crossed ,,will contact the whole lot and see what if anything shows up...Kirsty thankyou so much for that...that was a real bonus

Gill X