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p.s yes have read about the two boys being killed by the sails how very tragic at such a young age..

not sure if a mentioned before but think there may have been a twin related to a harrison..wonder if that's why not showing up..died in infancy...can't remember how i found out..it was on here though

thinking note pad and pen and not scraps of paper might help

oh my god how exciting...especially all those years ago...
guess that would be why my grandmother was such an uptight matronly type..who never mentioned her family then..
i have actually never met her she drowned on the cruise ship lakonia in 1963..well well well
will update my tree later will all the invaluable info you have given me,god knows how you do it,but it is fantastic..
dogs walked now three horses to see to...never a moments peace

this might amuse you when i told my daughter aged 12 that someone way back may have been born out of wedlock she was very bemused as to whyn that may be a problem...how things have changed..

charlotte

Hi Charlotte..might be getting close!!

Have been chasing Harrison Stather......who i supect might be the father of Harrison Arthur Stather. This could be juicy!!...or entirely wrong.

Harrison Stather son of John and Hannah Stather born 1815..one of a large family..four of which..including him..NEVER MARRIED.

In 1881 Harrison Stather is living at 36 Hull Road.on the corner ofGreen oak lane...ALONE.....a retired farmer........

It just so happens that NEXT DOOR live the Harrison family.

Elizabeth Harrison....now a widow..is living with her children, including Bell Harrison..and with her parents nathaniel and Elizabeth Bell(nee Clarkson).

So who was he knocking off???? the merry widow?????

Harrison Arthur Stather was born 1885 and accepted as one of the family

and (John)Harrison Stather died locally in 1899

I think Charles Stather MIGHT have existed..but did not live long enough to appear on any Census.

Derek

Ok Charlotte..don't worry..you've got it right...here ia your direct line:

CHARLOTTE

CYNTHIA HOOPER

IRENE HARRISON 1900

BELL HARRISON 1869

JAMES HARRISON (1835) ELIZABETH BELL

JAMES HARRISON (1809) NATHANIEL BELL

NATHANIEL BELL (1777)


Did you find my message about Gilberdyke Mill???

Two of the sons of Nathaniel Bell were killed by the sails of the Mill

More later

Derek

cripes am really confused now as can't find him on census...think brain had overload with it all...will make a pot of coffee and struggle on...
you are fantastic to help people like this..have had so much help from this site is amazing...good job have day off


charlotte

also i have seen the pic and history on gilberdyke by susan butler but she does not know anymore apart from that she thinks there were some goings on between the families..which i think i know now
the pic has my grandmother and her sister in it as it has tghere names on the back

yes you have got it irene harrison was my grandmother
bell harrison my gt gt grandfather that much i know is for sure
it's the harrison stather bit that i am wracking my brains at,i can see they lived next door and the stathers ran the mill after my relatives but the name must mean that a stather and a harrison had a child,was he illegitimate?/
all very intriguing and exciting to have a bit of scandal..
my sister remembers very vaguely as she is 15 yr's older that irene never mentioned her parents ever,all very cloak and dagger,but she did inherit a lot of money at some stage...

looking forward to seeing if you can work this riddle out
many thanks
charlotte

Hi Charlotte......Ok..taking this slowly and as clearly as i can make it::

You have Elizabeth marrying twice..not so..get rid of one of them and change the details of the other one.

JAMES HARRISON born 08.12.1835..son of James Harrison (1809) and Mary Johnson. (Married 12.03.1827)

James Harrison 1835 married ELIZABETH BELL.and they were the parents of BELL HARRISON.(father of your Irene and Elsie)...leading directly to you...

ELIZABETH BELL was the daughter of Nathaniel bell.and the grandaughter of the Nathaniel Bell who first owned Gilberdyke Mill.details later.

James Harrison 1835 had three siblings:

Mary 1830
Susannah 1833-1869
William 1839

BELL HARRISON son of James and Elizabeth had four siblings:

John William 1864
Mary Ann 1866
James 1871
Minnie 1874-1947

Haven't found the maiden name of Bell Harrison's wife Mary..but she came from Castleford!

More later

Derek

Derek.

found the page...many thanks
think just despondent as hitting a wall a lot...
sure will get back onto it again...

cheers derek

charlotte

Nudge for Charlotte

Hi gill..sorry .they do not..plenty of morrod burials after 1837 though!!

Hiya Derek

Don't suppose your other "irons" include Sculcoates burials do they?

But if they do, I'm looking for the burial of Jane MORROD twixt 1815 and 1830. She was the first wife of the Charles MORROD.

Gill

Hi Gill.you're welcome..whilst my Parish Records are limited. i do have many other irons in the fire. So if you need any mjore help..I'll at least try .

Derek

Hi Derek

All those Morrad & Medd marriages.......that is absolutely fantastic!.

Thank you so much

Really appreciated

Gill

Hi again Charlotte..this is an update to the message below......
I think I've cracked part of the puzzle......

Nathaniel Bell (mentioned below) 1771-1842 of Gilberdyke Mill was the father of:
Nathaniel Bell 1809-1898 whose daughter Elizabeth Bell (1842-1895) married James Harrison born 1835

Bell Harrison was their son.born 1869

He married a Mary and in 1901 had two small children Elsie and irene.

Curious thing is that in 1901 they were living next door to:

James Harrison (born 1871) and his "brother" (brother-in-law?) HARRISON ARTHUR STATHER!!! aged 16 born December 1883

There is another Harrison A Stather born in the village March 1906

I have also found Charles Stather 1883 and a brother John Stather 1880..with a mother Hannah........this may not be the right one becasue there is no mention of Harrison Arthur.

I have a lot of children.and links that i need to sort out..but I need you to tell me which if any of all this is familiar to you.

Derek

Hi Charlotte...I need a christian name for Bell Harrison.....but cannot find James Bell harrison at the moment.

Have been digging into the Bells the Harrisons and the Stathers..and the Bell Harrisons! as you say..very complicated.

What I can tell you is that the first owners of the Gilberdyke Mill were Nathaniel Bell and his son nathaniel junior..In 1851 Nathaniel senior was 79 and his son 40. Nathaniel junior died in 1898

The bell's were followed by the Stathers.....Harrison Stather followed by his son J.Stather

I'll dig deeper..but I have found an old photo of Gilberdyke Mill and a very poor on of the Bell Harrison family.

Let me know if you know of these.

I'm digging further.

Derek

Hi Gill..jhave found the following:

WILLIAM MORROD (farmer's servant) married REBECCA TAYLOR (spinster) 23.05.1832...witnesses were William Kirby and Mary Ann Waters. obviously officials cos they witnessed most of the weddings.

Others that may interest you, and might be related:-

John Morrod married Hannah Fisher 27.11.1831

Charles Morrod (widower) married mary Potter 12.09.1830

Esther Morrod married henry Wilkinson (tanner) 07.06.1830
(Witnesses were Thomas MORROD and Mary MORROD)

Mary Morrod married William Horner (plumber and glazier)
24.04.1831

THOMAS MEDD married MARY Usher (not Jane) 19.12.1836

Thomas medd married Margaret Maccollin (McCollin) 19.12.1836

Jane Medd 13.11.1836

Hope this helps

Derek

Hi Derek

Would be grateful if you could look up a couple of marriages at Sculcoates please

Thomas MEDD & Jane USHER 1836

William Barton MORROD/MORWOOD & Rebecca TAYLOR 1832


Gill

hi
i am hoping you would be able to tell me more about my gt gt gradfather bell harrison 1869and his brothers james1871 and harrison arthur stather and his twin charles stather 1883 i am desp to find out who the father of the twins were?? they ran gilberdyke mill and all very complicated so it sems...

thank you in anticipation of your assistance if poss


charlotte

Hi Valerie..dates would be very helpful...and please note, my records are very specific in terms of dates.....I hve no others outside these dates........

Derek