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Trying to find mother

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Cynthia

Cynthia Report 5 Nov 2014 14:59

Story of our life on this thread isn't it Jan? ..... :-(

jansmith

jansmith Report 4 Nov 2014 15:33

Thanks for looking at it Cynthia, just a shame it isn't the one!!!

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 3 Nov 2014 19:25

Had a look at the parents marriage on SP. The father was a Cooper Journeyman - not soldier :-(

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 3 Nov 2014 18:55

Thank you Jan. I have a few minutes to spare, so will have a little root around.. :-D

jansmith

jansmith Report 3 Nov 2014 13:56

There is this tree on Ancestry but no info on her or her father

Renall Family Tree
Public Member Tree
Unsourced

Murdina MacLeod
Birth: 1904
F: Robert MacLeod
M: Donaldina MacDonald (Later MacLeod)

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 2 Nov 2014 09:49

Good morning everyone and I hope you are all well.

Time for this thread to have another little airing :-)


It has been put to me that the name 'Diana', may be a shortened form of 'Murdina'. I know we had looked at various Donaldinas etc., but Murdina is a new name to me. Fans has had a quick look on the 1911 Scottish Census and come up with the following :


Your SR Births Search Returns
You searched for: Surname: "macleod"; Surname Option: Exact; Forename: "murdina"; Forename Option: Prefix; Sex: "Female"; Year From: 1900; Year To: 1911;

1 1900 MACLEOD MURDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0148
2 1900 MACLEOD MURDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0245
3 1900 MACLEOD MURDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0261
4 1900 MACLEOD MURDINA F GOVAN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 646/02 1536
5 1902 MACLEOD MURDINA F BARVAS /ROSS AND CROMARTY 086/0A 0167
6 1902 MACLEOD MURDINA F CARLOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 086/0B 0080
7 1902 MACLEOD MURDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0167
8 1903 MACLEOD MURDINA F CARLOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 086/0B 0021
9 1903 MACLEOD MURDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0124
10 1903 MACLEOD MURDINA F LOCHBROOM /ROSS AND CROMARTY 075/01 0011
11 1903 MACLEOD MURDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0125
12 1903 MACLEOD MURDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0133
13 1904 MACLEOD MURDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0248
14 1904 MACLEOD MURDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0240
15 1905 MACLEOD MURDINA F CARLOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 086/0B 0042
16 1905 MACLEOD MURDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0335
17 1905 MACLEOD MURDINA F CARLOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 086/0B 0007
18 1906 MACLEOD MURDINA F CARLOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 086/0B 0032
19 1907 MACLEOD MURDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0035
20 1908 MACLEOD MURDINA F LOCHS /ROSS AND CROMARTY 087/00 0049
21 1909 MACLEOD MURDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0306
22 1909 MACLEOD MURDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0168
23 1904 MACLEOD MURDINA AGNES F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0187
24 1900 MCLEOD MURDINA F LOCHS /ROSS AND CROMARTY 087/00 0011
25 1900 MCLEOD MURDINA F LOCHS /ROSS AND CROMARTY 087/00 0105
26 1902 MCLEOD MURDINA F BARVAS /ROSS AND CROMARTY 086/0A 0172
27 1904 MCLEOD MURDINA F LOCHS /ROSS AND CROMARTY 087/00 0045
28 1904 MCLEOD MURDINA F LOCHS /ROSS AND CROMARTY 087/00 0139
29 1904 MCLEOD MURDINA F LOCHS /ROSS AND CROMARTY 087/00 0008
30 1905 MCLEOD MURDINA F BARVAS /ROSS AND CROMARTY 086/0A 0036
31 1906 MCLEOD MURDINA F LOCHS /ROSS AND CROMARTY 087/00 0016
32 1910 MCLEOD MURDINA F BARVAS /ROSS AND CROMARTY 086/0A 0040
33 1910 MCLEOD MURDINA F LOCHS /ROSS AND CROMARTY 087/00 0078
34 1911 MCLEOD MURDINA F HARRIS NORTH /INVERNESS


What we could really do with is finding out if any of these Murdinas had a cousin Donald and an Aunt Kate. They re the two names which cropped up most in the story. I think there is an option on adding another name to the search without buying credits.

I can't do much today because I am busy but, if anyone would like to make a start and let us know how far they get, that would be wonderful. I will be back as soon as I can.


Hope you are all well. Cx <3

Sally

Sally Report 25 Jun 2014 18:17

your welcome

have misswd you on sues post

hope you and family are well

sally w <3

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 25 Jun 2014 13:27

Apologies to both Sally and Joonie for my late arrival...........it was a surprise to see this thread pop up again!


Thank you for the link Sally but nothing to be found I'm afraid.


Joonie.....thanks for that theory. I am still in touch with Evelyn and will pass it by her to see what she thinks. Have to admit that I have never come across the name
Emerentiana before - I can understand why anyone would want to change it :-D

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 23 Jun 2014 03:30

I've read ... some ... of this thread ... I have to admit not very much :-)

I agree with something said early on, that it is worth considering that Leslie was Diane's father's surname ... possibly because the parents weren't married but I wonder also whether MacLeod might be a stepfather's surname if Diane's mother (re)married when Diane was young.

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just browsing at familysearch for Leslie births in India I thought this one could be interesting ... because as also mentioned Diane was such a very unusual name (Diana possibly, but Diane so unlikely) ...

this birthdate matches exactly with Diane's stated age at death

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGWJ-4JY

Name: Emerentiana Monica Leslie
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 02 Jun 1906
Christening Place: Honzada, Bengal, India
> Birth Date: 23 May 1906
Father's Name: John Francis Leslie
Mother's Name: Theroza
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C75043-8

very unusual name for the English ... there is only one Emerentiana in the entire GRO index in England/Wales (1863)


might an Emerentiana have been 'Tiana' or have shortened her name or had it shortened to Diane (or Diana and then Diane)?

___________________________________________________________

the mother is Theresa spelled variously ... but it may be that there was more than one John and Theresa couple, although there seem to be no overlaps in the ones I found


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGGL-F2Q
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGGL-F2W
Joan and Marjorie Leslie, born 1892, died Jan and Feb 1892, Burma Bengal India, father John Leslie, seem likely to be twins who survived only briefly
- edit - actually there must be two John Leslies, at least - Joan and Marjory Leslie were born 7 Sep 1891 and died 21 Jan 1891 and 6 Feb 1892, mother Eleanor Ada Chandler - the other births all seem to be to the same parents as Emerentiana

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGDT-VZC
birth/baptism of Elisabeth Christiana, 1891 Moulmein Bengal India, parents John Francis and Theresa
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGJV-HP5
marriage of Elizabeth Christiana Leslie, dob 1892, 1912 Thonze Bengal India, father John Francis, to Stanleigh Clarence Bride

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGWB-H9X
birth/baptism of Robert Silvester, 1893/1894 Burma Bengal India, parents John Francis and Theresa

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG4S-65J
birth/baptism of John, 1895/1896 Myingyan Bengal India, parents John and Theresa

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG49-88Q
birth/baptism of Maria Eveline, 1897 Rangoon Bengal India, parents John and Theresa

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGWL-YBN
birth of Winifred Theresa, 1899/1900 Minbu Bengal India, parents John and Theresa
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGJ7-NNK?cc=1584967
marriage of Winifred Teresa Leslie, dob 1899, 1924 Moul Mein Bengal India, parents John and Teresa, to Arthur George Nash

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGWS-T53
birth/baptism of Cecelia Gertrude, 1903 Honzada Bengal India, parents John and Therosa

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGWJ-4VM
birth/baptism of Anthony James Francis, 1909 Honzada Bengal India, parents John and Thereza
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGWJ-3Q3
birth/baptism of Anthony John, 1909 Henzada Bengal India, parents John and Thereza
(very confusing as the dates are different but both in June/July 1909)

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marriage of the parents

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGJP-ZDL

Name: John Francis Leslie
Birth Date: 1866
Age: 25
Spouse's Name: Teresa Desilva
Spouse's Birth Date: 1869
Spouse's Age: 22
Event Date: 02 Jan 1891
Event Place: Moulmein, Burma, Bengal, India
Father's Name: Robert Leslie
Spouse's Mother's Name: Mary Magdalina Leslie
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75066-9

___________________________________________________________

There was an earlier Emerentiana Leslie, died 1906 aged 68 in Bengal ... possibly John's mother (died three months before John's daughter Erementiana was born) ...
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG2Q-BXS

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the relevance of this would all be dependent on Theresa DeSilva Leslie having remarried to a MacLeod ........ of which I can of course find no record ... and in fact she quite probably died in Rangoon Bengal India in 1935 as Leslie
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGK5-BT5

but I can't see a death for John Francis Leslie

___________________________________________________________

this has got much longer than I planned ... no idea I would find they had so many children!


is it possible that the MacLeods in Scotland gave Diane that surname and the story about her father, I don't know why ... ?

or maybe that the later children were not actually John Leslie's ... Theresa became Thereza with the birth of Erementiana and thereafter, I wonder whether because she was the one arranging the baptising ...

Sally

Sally Report 22 Jun 2014 15:12

are you stll looking found this

is it of any use

www.rcn.org.uk

it is archives of nurses

sally w <3

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 30 Jan 2014 22:25

Thanks for all the ideas.....

A television programme has been mentioned before but there were personal reasons as to why Evelyn thought it would not be the right way to go - we have to respect that.

I'm pretty sure Viv or someone did a search of FIBIS a long time ago but thanks for the reminder.

I saw that the Indian bmd's announcement the other day and I think Viv has/is looking through them - I will check with her to make sure though.

Keep it coming folks......and thanks again.... :-)


Sally

Sally Report 29 Jan 2014 20:46

hello one of tv programs are looking for people for famil research I forget which one will try to find it

it may have been Cambridgeshire fanily history society on facebook
edited

sally w <3

edit again found I

wall to wall program makers are looking for people to take part
they are the ones who made who do you think you are etc for bbc 1

I can not read the details as my software is unable to

might be worth a try

<3 <3

jansmith

jansmith Report 29 Jan 2014 19:07

Not found anything yet but have just found this site and looks like it could be a good site for anyone looking for India info
FIBIS Databases

Volunteers from the Families in British India Society (FIBIS) have transcribed loads of data – and it is all available for free. Just go to their search engine, and enter your ancestor’s surname. Don’t forget to browse the site, as it has lots of useful information, and annual membership is very reasonable. As well as lots of data from church records, it also has information from wills, bonds etc.

http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/

was plain ann now annielaurie

was plain ann now annielaurie Report 29 Jan 2014 17:30

India BMD's are now on FMP - has to be worth a search!

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 29 Jan 2014 13:09

No further forward I'm afraid to say :-(


Ann has been ploughing away through all the Robert Macleod records bless her. Thanks Ann. :-)

I can only think that, unless someone stumbles across something, then we may have to wait until new records are released.....from.......somewhere..... :-S :-S


I certainly wouldn't say that we have given up on the search, it's just knowing where to search next!


Any ideas anyone????? :-D

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 29 Jan 2014 05:31

Was so excited to see this appear again, but alas.............................the mystery that is Diane remains just so :-( For now at least

jansmith

jansmith Report 28 Jan 2014 19:59

Not found the "real" Robert yet!!

Tabitha

Tabitha Report 28 Jan 2014 13:25

Just dropped by to see what was going on as not had the time or opportunity for a while

Did anyone actually find the Real Robert & I missed it - or are we all still searching around the various data bases

Cynthia - we may need another one of your "Heres where we are now" statements if your OH is back on his feet now

Evelyn I still miss our email chats Hope you are keeping well

Diane

Diane Report 17 Nov 2013 11:36

Yes indeed,

It's a long time until we get the next set of census records and Diane should be there.

Dad was convinced that his mother was truthful and her strong opinion about the restrictions of living in a deeply religious community in Stornoway was something that stuck with him.

Dad was a civil servant, but I guess that because his mother was dead they didn't check her information when they cleared him.

The family records rings true, they moved quite often when Dad was growing up.


I would consider going to Stornoway if I thought there was anything to be gained from it.

Diane

wisechild

wisechild Report 17 Nov 2013 07:13

Hi Diane.
Pretty sure that in those days, proof of ID was not required.
In any case, Evelyn said right at the beginning that all the family documents were lost during the war, which is why she has such a problem now.
Like doing a jigsaw without the picture. :-( :-(
Marion