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Just a thought, Could your mother have been named DOLINA and maybe was known as Diane. Tracey

Just some names I have come across, thought first name was rather strange for a girl have never heard of it before.

1908 MACLEOD DAVIDINA F ROSSKEEN /ROSS AND CROMARTY 081/00 0002 VIEW (5 CREDITS)

1907 MACLEOD DONALDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0060 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

1907 MACLEOD DONALDINA F STORNOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 088/00 0214 VIEW (5 CREDITS)

1907 MACLEOD DOLINA F HARRIS SOUTH /INVERNESS 111/02 0031 VIEW (5 CREDITS)

1909 MACLEOD DONALDINA F CARLOWAY /ROSS AND CROMARTY 086/B0 0013 No Image ORDER


Have done full search of male and female service record returns for MacLeod & McLeod so if you think any names would help I'll put them up later. Tracey

Sorry not to have been around for a while(tummy upset)
Well Vivienne I have been on to 1911 census Hope Macleod was a widow on 1911 census, she had been married for 5 years
2 children
Deidre age 6
Duncan age 4
Deidre born in India, says visitor
Duncan born Ireland, visitor
No mention of deceased husband
Hope was living on Private means,
There were 2 others in the household, one was said to be Governess the other general servant.
The census form was signed
Hope MacLeod
7 Wimborne Gardens, West Ealing.

Hello Tracey,
Mum always said her name was Diane Leslie Macleod, that was the name on her marriage cert. also on he death cert, she died 28th July 1952 in Weymouth Dorset.
I have no other information of Robert Macleod, except mums MC says he was Major Seaforth Highlanders, deceased.
Mother always said she went to live with Aunt Kate in Stornoway, who Aunt Kate was I have no idea, whether she was Roberts relative or related to Mums mother, who I have no knowledge of,.
It sounds feasible to me that she could have made her name up,to my knowledge she made up all sorts of other tales, I wonder what she was trying to hide.
Thank you for you interest.
Evelyn

Where was Hope born please Evelyn?

And no doubt you have told me before,but was there ever mention of siblings for your mum?

No mention of siblings, but that does not mean there were none, she was a woman of few words.
Hope was born in Farnham Surrey

Farnham is an army base if my memory serves me correctly.

This I think may be Hopes birth then.

Births Dec 1874 (>99%)
Knight Hope Farnham 2a 104


And there is no marriage in britain showing for her.
Another fibber ?or an overseas marriage.

Maybe not her on 1911 then

Deaths Dec 1874 (>99%)
KNIGHT Hope 0 Farnham 2a 66

1873 or thereabouts would be Hopes birth date.the one you have found birth for sadly cannot be her as you say. Vivvienne you do work so hard.
Thank you
Evelyn

Hello Evelyn, you remember me. ;)


I did a search of the 1911 census just out of curiosity and there are something just over a dozen DIANEs. I really think it was a very unusual name at the time and it's as likely as not that this was not her name at birth.

I wondered about this one from a list Vivienne posted on page 8:

16 1904 MACLEOD MHAIRI ISHBEL M F INVERNESS /INVERNESS 098/00 0262

The name Ishbel there is interesting. And the given name might be one that a modern young woman who had left Scotland might abandon.

The geography still eludes me. I suspect that birth is nowhere in our vicinity.


When is the 1911 Scotland census going to be available??

Hello Janey,
Thanks for your interest,
Diane Leslie was supposedly born in Delhi India then lived for a while in Inverness before moving to Stornoway to live with her Aunt Kate.
I guess its quite possible she changed her name.
Kind regards
Evelyn

Joggle the memory, Evelyn, and I'll fall out -- I know the tale well. ;)


I also think the Robert Lockhart Ross MacLeod that Deborah found (on page 11), in the 1891 census and then marrying in 1896 in India, is very interesting.

A military surgeon would have had an officer's rank, I think.

And with a Grieve in the same unit in 1891.

Ishbel MacLeod's husband was Harold Graham Grieve (page 8 in this thread).

Vivienne, you said:

ishbel macleod,daughter of donald and kate macleod,
married ,harold graham grieve ,,,rubber planter..
on 22 /10 1929

I don't know where that came from. Any indication of Harold's parents?

It would be a bit of a remote connection, but all stones are worth turning over.

I have not got Harolds parents names but do know his father was a vicar as was Ishbels father.Ishbel and Harold married at Grosenever House, Clynder, Dunbartonshire in 1929.
Ishbel died in 1976 in district Invernesws aged 79 in 1976

Janey...
The grieve/macleod marriage came from SP.

1929 SRI Marriage GRIEVE, HAROLD GRAHAM - MACLEOD, ISHBEL (Statutory Marriages 502/01 0002
Harold{28} was a rubber planter and Ishbel {30}was a "Seed analyst"

Harolds parents are.


James grieve,minister
deceased

Jessie grieve,nee, Henderson-Jardine

And one of the witnesses was a
Malcom D Grieve,,vicar of "Cant read it"

Remote it would be then, because that 1891 John Grieve was of an age to be Harold's father/uncle etc, rather than sibling.

If Harold Grieve was a rubber planter, it was not in the UK!

How interesting that Ishbel had an occupation shown, and that it was a rather highly specialized one.

India or Ceylon (as it then was) maybe, possibly father was a missionary or a military chaplain ...


Submitted record in the IGI for the 1891 John Grieve:

John Andrew MacKenzie Grieve
Birth: 1854 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Death: 1933
Father: Andrew Grieve
Mother: Louisa Jane Salmond
Marriages:
Spouse: Charlotte Elizabeth Roney Dougal
Marriage: 04 NOV 1884

Ishbels parents were
Donald,minister of tarbat
and mother Kate.

Uncle and aunt of Diane I have always believed

From page 8

incoming ,,ishbel is with hubby harold graham grieve,,planter by trade.
last permenat residence,malasia,embarked at singapore
address while here,,30 learmouth avenue,edinburgh

Name: Ishbel Grieve
Birth Date: abt 1902
Age: 46
Port of Departure: Shanghai, China
Arrival Date: 30 Jun 1948
Port of Arrival: Plymouth, England
Ports of Voyage: Shanghai, Hong Kong, Manila, Singapore, Port Swettenham, Penang and St John, New Brunswick
Ship Name: City of Carlisle
Search Ship Database: Search the 'City of Carlisle' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Ellerman & Bucknall Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 180816

***************************************************************
againwith husband but no children

Name: Ishbel Grieve
Birth Date: 10 Nov 1901
Age: 54
Port of Departure: Kobe, Japan
Arrival Date: 9 May 1956
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Kobe, Hong Kong, Singapore, Port Swettenham, Penang and Colombo
Ship Name: Patroclus
Search Ship Database: View the 'Patroclus' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Blue Funnel Line
Official Number: 7090/01

address when here

43 coillesdene avenue
joppa,edinburgh

and they say on the passenger lists that they intend taking up residence in scotland for at least 12 months,which could have been permenant?



EVELYN
What date and month did your mother celebrate her birthday?

Truthfully I do not know but believe June I do not know what date. Like most other things her birthday seemed to change from time to time, in those days we didnt send cards or make a fuss about birthdays.
Somehow I still believe that Ishbel is the right cousin, I really feel that Vivienne found the right one

I know, Vivienne ;) -- the family connection between Diane and Grieve, the Grieve records. Really, I'm up to speed! That's why I gave page numbers for ref, so as not to have the same things going over and over.

Oh, okay, oops - missed the Malaysia bit. ;) Good place for a rubber plantation. Or Singapore.

I edited above to put in the parents for the 1891 John Grieve, just for ref in case any connection does become apparent.

And just for light relief, looking in the IGI for any of that John Grieve's children (looking to see where he spent time), I got this one:
BAGGOT OFFLEY GREIVE (no relation!)

Now who would do that to a baby ...

Far worse than.........
Penny mochine
Tymen mochine
Bambi mochine

Or even a girl child called
ZEBEDEE!!

All products of their parents misspent 60s youths.
And none are mine I might add