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sorry not been on ive broke my ancle and no a wasnt drunk

winnie was born in sheffield and she met charles at a fair mum says he lived durham then moved near worksop then to sheffield
do you think its possible that frank left gertrude as his passed record tells us what hes like and gertrude had another child with someone else and thats why his dad hated him so much because it wasnt his dad

another clue charles used to say his name was charles edward nelson john fitzgerald atkinson was he just messing with us or could john be a stepdad to him

seanxxxxx

Well Viv, yet another theory out the window....

Wish Sean would return and bring his Mum with him, although we would probably scare the pant's off the poor lady, with all the question's we would like to ask!!

Misty x

Think this is winnies birth

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Wells Winifred Gregory Sheffield 9c 1012

And if it is then there are no louisa /lucy wells/gregory births after 1911.

The marriage of her parents?

Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
GREGORY May Sheffield 9c 762 S
WELLS Ernest George Sheffield 9c 762

SEAN WHERE ARE YOU???
Come back we want to talk to you.
Where was Winnie born and what is her full name?

I have sent a pm asking him to come back.

winnie wells born 1918.
age 21 on her mc in 1939 anyway.

and oh no,I have this awful sentence running through my mind now that I know I shouldnt type on here ,BUT I HAVE TO.

Lucky that they didnt pick their noses and stick the Boageys everywhere then Janey.

Y'know, this one has gone way beyond my Monck/Hill/whatevers ...!

Besides, I had the good grace to figure them out *before* I posted. ;)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=976217

for Mistycat's reading enjoyment. ;)

And Sean - lest you think you're the only one with problem ancestors. Here's another of the same sort:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1150692

The boogers just wouldn't pick a name and stick to it, would they??


Oh look, I've hit page 20.

Janey...I'm up for giggles tonight, might be the booze though..Oh my goodness....???

Misty x

Edit...well done you...I also get the feeling she was known, whilst growing up....but one never know's!!!

Somebody come up with Winifred's surname so we don't have to dive back into it ... but I think the idea was that Charles knew his LucyLou while growing up ...


Just for giggles -- who is this?


Marriages Mar 1904
Corlett Ann Jane Gateshead 10a 1131
>> Mace Lucy Gateshead 10a 1131
Nicholson Joseph Gateshead 10a 1131
Scott James Gateshead 10a 1131

... or has it all been done before ...

... yes, it has; this oddment in 1901 in Blaydon, Winlaton, Durham:

Joseph Blake 45
Martha Blake 43
Phoebe Mace 81
Edward Mace 49 - brother-in-law born Hampshire
Lucy Mace 19 - niece born Blaydon
William Gramshaw 28
George Atkinson 44
John O Atkinson 18
Frederick O Atkinson 16
Ada Atkinson 11


Ignore me.

Viv...my mum used to say that too....I dont do it often and as other half is on call tonight and he has had to go, I'm back on here( how sad)

Ok, what I really ment to say( yet another thought, all be it a skwiffy one).....Sorry about this Viv ;)

Sean, if your still "with" us...could Lucy/ Lou have been sister to Winnie, who, was very close to both...so Charles " called " her his sister?

What was Winnies name before she married Charles? We may have this info but without reading the whole thread, I cant remember at the mo!!

Misty x

Tut Tut Misty,
I would never do a thing like that.
And as my nan used to tell me,you will end up with pimples on your tongue my girl,telling pork pies!

Sorry I deleted...cause I posted wrong info...

Been out for supper, far to much "booze" ..I think!!

Misty x

Oh God Misty,dont start him off about lucy lou again.
Its been quiet for so long that I think Sean may have emmigtated.

I do wish we had been able to find her ,but some things in life have to remain a mystery it would seem.

Viv...I think we have All done a jolly good " job " on this family...I cant help looking in every time I'm on here and have enjoyed doing it, along side you all (wish I could say the same about my flipping lot!!) I love a good "hunt" and of course, it all help's my (still much to learn) "find them" skill's.

Do hope Sean is able to sort it all out....No word on Lucy/ Lou as yet ??

Misty x

Tee Hee...Janey !! ;)

I shall fix it immediately, oh Viv. 1854, not 1874.

By jove, I think Mistycat's dunnit.

What took you so long????

Not stupid
Good sideways thinking on what she was doing so far from home more like.
And well done on the Gertrude mace and father Edward job.
And thanks to Janey for sorting out the death of edward so it looks like you def have the correct family for her.

Sorry Viv

Gertrude was with a family of Futter's....in 1901.

There are Futter's in Durham, born in Norfolk/ Suffolk..so did wonder if that's how she made the move!!



Misty x

Who the F**r are the futters?

Hi All

....could she have moved to Durham with/ to / because of, the Futter's

1901 England Census about Elizabeth A Futter
Name: Elizabeth A Futter
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Aunt
Gender: Female
Where born: Blakeney, Norfolk, England...................****
Civil Parish: South Shields
Ecclesiastical parish: South Westoe St Michael and All Angels
County/Island: Durham

Name Age
Hugh L F Barnfather 22
Margaret Barnfather 21
Elizabeth A Futter 68...........********

Misty x

Sean..I'm not suggesting the Futter's are part of your lot....j

Hello Janey
Welcome to the fray.

Hmmm,HOW??

(My gr-grf's sister did that when she
married in 1875.??
Said she was 19, just like her groom. That's how I missed finding her birth in the untranscribed images -- looked all the way back to first quarter 1855, which would have made her 20 in July 1875 when she married. Turns out
she was born last quarter 1874, ??
making her closer to 21 than 19.)
viv

Evie's gone, you'll have to make do with me.

I think Mistycat may be on to something.

Gertrude admitted to being a year older than her groom when she married. It's not at all unimaginable that she was really older than that, and just not letting on.

(My gr-grf's sister did that when she married in 1875. Said she was 19, just like her groom. That's how I missed finding her birth in the untranscribed images -- looked all the way back to first quarter 1855, which would have made her 20 in July 1875 when she married. Turns out she was born last quarter 1874 [strike it, strike it: 1854], making her closer to 21 than 19.)

I think Mistycat could definitely be onto something.

But if that's her in 1901, she made a shift to Durham at some point. But then, the 1911 census does give her birthplace as Norfolk, so our Gertrude did make that shift.

As for the father being reported deceased on the marriage certificate but apparently dying much later ... I might not put too much stock in the marriage cert.


But ... actually, I think Mistycat just lighted on the wrong death!

Deaths Sep 1902
Mace Edward 55 Yarmouth 4b 22


The 1901 census has him aged 54 in Yarmouth. So that death is actually a perfect match!