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may be nothng but i googled gertrude and there is a family looking for a gertrude that disapeared after having a daughter in 1904 called evelyn

long shot but could this be our gertrude left home with a daughter in tow went to durham

sean

The Durham Maces in 1881 in Winlaton, Durham

Edward Mace 31 (born Huntingdonshire)
Elizabeth Mace 30 (born Cumberland)
Annie Mace 2
Lucy Mace

They're a tad odd and I hope we don't have to get into them.

There is no birth record for that Lucy and no marriage for Edward & Elizabeth. Let us hope they are red herrings.



*If* our Gertrude Mace was born in Norfolk, these are *not* her people.

?????

Deaths Mar 1925 (95%)
Mace Louisa M..... 22.... Norwich.....4b 199

Could be death for the one Viv Found.

Misty x

The Atkinsons seem to have visited to stay -- I didn't realize I was looking at 1901 and you had put the 1891 above.

1901

Joseph Blake 45
Martha Blake 43
Phoebe Mace 81
Edward Mace 49 - brother in law
Lucy Mace 19
William Gramshaw 28
George Atkinson 44 - brother in law
John O Atkinson 18
Frederick O Atkinson 16
Ada Atkinson 11


Are these the same Lucy and Edward that Sean put at the top of the page, enumerated twice??

Now that Lucy Mace in 1891 with the Atkinsons visiting is very interesting. Entirely possible they wouldn't have bothered reporting her place of birth accurately.

And they're in Gateshead district, so that's very probably the Lucy Mace who married there in 1904.

Here's a Lucy Mace in Norfolk who could possibly be a sister:

Births Dec 1886
Mace Lucy Erpingham 4b 64


Can't see her in 1901.

If the family did go to Durham, this could be her marriage:

Marriages Mar 1904
Corlett Ann Jane Gateshead 10a 1131
> Mace Lucy Gateshead 10a 1131
Nicholson Joseph Gateshead 10a 1131
Scott James Gateshead 10a 1131

but if so, she doesn't seem to be in Durham in 1911, unless she's not reporting her birthplace accurately.

In 1911, the place of birth of

ATKINSON GERTRUDE 1883 28 Sedgefield Durham

who was living with

ATKINSON CHARLES S 1909 2 Sedgefield Durham
ATKINSON WILLIAM F 1884 27 Sedgefield Durham


was ***NORFOLK*** !!!

I searched with Norfolk as place of birth, and yes, she came up.

I tried Norwich, and no, she didn't. So it was Norfolk but not Norwich.


Births Dec 1884
Mace Gertrude Lilly Norwich 4b 145


The other places in Norwich reg dist were

Earlham
Easton
Heigham
Lakenham

None of them work in 1911 -- but there were undoubtedly other dinky little places in the district.


Sean, have you looked at that 1911 census record? I forget.

You really need to, if not. If you have, what does it say for their places of birth?????

With atkinsons visiting them
But edward is a general labourer


1891 England Census
about Lucy Mace
Name: Lucy Mace
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Blaydon, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Winlaton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthberts
Town: Blaydon
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Winlaton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Blake 36
Martha Blake 33
Phoebe Mace 69
Edward Mace 40
William Mace 18
Lucy Mace 10
William Greminson 19
George Atkinson 35
Eliza Atkinson 30
John Oliver Atkinson 8
Frederick O Atkinson 6
Ada Atkinson 1

where does this one go in 1911??
Cant see a death for her either

Births Jun 1902 (>99%)
MACE Louisa Mary Norwich 4b 159

Or a marriage.

not to good at this but ive found 1901

pheabo mace 1820
edward mace 1852
lucy 1882 ..>>> may be gertrude
william 1873
ellen 1875
george 1895
elizabeth 1898
all in winlaton durham

no sign of any of them in 1891


also found a nelson mace durham

i always recall you saying people used to use their middle names a lot

But this edwards death is where gertrude says she was born
and born about the same year as the one still alive in 1911

Deaths Sep 1902 (>99%)
Mace Edward 55 Yarmouth 4b 22

maybe not though as here he is hale and hearty in 1911 and not deceased.


HOUSEHOLD MACE LOUISA F 1845 66 Flegg Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD MACE ALFRED CHARLES M 1882 29 Flegg Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD MACE EDWARD M 1846 65 Flegg Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD MACE FLORA F 1889 22 Flegg Norfolk

I think the this edward is gertrudes father with wife louisa ,BUT i cant see a gertrude with them at all in 1891 or 1901
the only other one I can find in 1881 is on a large vessel that looks like merchant navy not a fishing boat and then dissapears from the census.

1881 England Census
about Edward Mace
Name: Edward Mace
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Louisa
Gender: Male
Where born: Haddiscoe, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Runham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address: 10 Bure Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Mariner

Registration district: Flegg
Sub-registration district: East Flegg
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Mace 37
Louisa Mace 37
Edith E. Mace 9
Laura E. Mace 7
Sydney H. Mace 3
Richard J. Mace 1

well its here

hope im forgiven

married-21st sept 1007
frank atkinson-24yrs -bachelor-coal miner-
11 edward street spennymoor
father -john atkinson-deceased-coal miner


gertrude mace -25yrs-spinster
12 edward street spennymoor
father-edward mace -deceased-fisherman


in the presence of

arther william sloddant
mary ann atkinson

wasnt mary one of johns daughters

ive been trying all after to say sorry

its just people keep putting massages on then they get me going again

im going to do a jigsaw or something keep my mind off it

SORRY you wont hear from me again untill cert comes around the 1st i really do promise

anyway by the looks of all the treads your all going to be run off your feet what happened sean xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hi All,

Just thought I would pop by for a catch up, read the WHOLE thread...My goodness, what a tangled web..and I thought "my lot" were bad enough!!

Oooops look's like your in trouble Sean, never break a promise to a lady ;)

Misty x

You made a promise Sean and now you have broken it.
Slap.. for you

thanks for that

ive had a look on 1911 cences as far as i can

ive found a louisa
charles 1907
gertrude 1890 and 1875
frank around the 1884 year forgot to write it down
all in birkenhead

viv evie what do you think

is there anyway to find out if they are the same people

sean

Sean i have found a birth any good?

louisa atkinson
june 1910
Gateshead Tyne and Wear

Sorry if i missed this before on any one elses messages!

Do you think maybe that Dad William did some wrong and changed his name to start afresh?

Sorry just discovered that this Louisa died aged 8 in 1918

Okay, if Gertrude was married before, her name at birth wasn't Mace.

Because she married as Mace -- and if she'd been born Mace and married before, she wouldn't have marred Boagey/Atkinson as Mace. Unless she was committing bigamy or otherwise trying to hide her first marriage for some reason.

There is very little point in trawling around censuses trying to find someone who might have married a Mace and then married Atkinson/Boagey!

Get the Mace+Atkinson marriage certificate and it will *tell* you whether she had been married before, and if so, what her name was before her first marriage.

That is the only way you're going to find that first marriage, if it existed, which I really don't think it did, and possibly any children of it.


But really, Sean, the thing is -- we have found Gertrude in the 1911 census, and she *was* born in Norfolk, and she was really barely old enough to have had a marriage before marrying Boagey/Atkinson -- so there really isn't any reason to think she wasn't the Gertrude Mace who was born in Norfolk.