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Misty has gone on holiday for a couple of weeks so you are stuck with me
poor souls
give it a mo and ill update.

from the 1901 census
I wondered where this one got the middle name from if her mum esther was a mace before marriage

Jane Browell Atkinson 3 Mo.

Sean
what child born in 1899 isnt on what census?
I dont have a clue what you mean on that .
viv

maybe wrong but ive been given access to someones tree had a look all the names match up also the boys with the same age twins but we know they are not are on this persons tree .
ok then here i go also on this tree are the names of the children that esther and john had together 2nd wife hope you still with me on the cences 1901 there is a jane browell aged 3 months but on this persons tree ther is also a esther atkinson dob 1899 im wondering if she died and then they had jane and named her after johns 1st wife whos maiden name i think from this tree was browell maybe nothing but it a little bit more info if its true also i had a look at twins see if any children there are for the twin im not looking for sean

Well I cant find John Atkinson marrying an elizabeth browell
Elizabeth is her first name on the 1881 census.
Esther 1899 is on the 1911 with them
And now we get a child with the middle name thompson?
Other peoples trees are not always up to scratch you know Sean,dont believe everything you read until you have checked it all out yourself.
Or rather we have
viv
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who the hell is albert

Ok ,I got two familys mixed up on the 1911
Here is the correct one.
And I am going to delete the other lot

ATKINSON, ESTHER HEAD WIDOW F 46 WEST HARTLEPOOL DURHAM
ATKINSON, ESTHER DAUGHTER F 12 BYERS GREEN DURHAM
ATKINSON, JANE BRUEL DAUGHTER F 10 BYERS GREEN DURHAM
ATKINSON, AMELIA THOMPSON DAUGHTER F 6 BYERS GREEN DURHAM

But Esther 1899 is still there.
As she was in 1901 back on page 3? of this thread.

I make this john atkison seniors death,

Deaths Jun 1905 (>99%)
Atkinson John 58 Auckland 10a 126

And there is Amelia thompson Atkinson like a good little girl right where she should be

Births Jun 1904 (>99%)
Atkinson Amelia Thompson Auckland 10a 228

Okay, well, belatedly, here is my Friday fit of hilarity.

who the hell is albert

Well damned if I know!!

I don't even know why we're asking!


Oops, not belated - early. It may be the day before a holiday, but it's still Thursday. ;)

Albert was on a 1911 that I put up earlier that was a mix of 2 families,
the trick went haywire!
I have deleted it now so dont get excited about it
viv

1901

John Atkinson 54
Esther Atkinson 36
Margaret Atkinson 28
John Atkinson 21
Francis Atkinson 19
William Atkinson 16
William Frank Boagy 16
Elizabeth Ann Atkinson 12
Mary Ann Atkinson 10
Esther Atkinson 2
Jane Browell Atkinson 3 Mo


Jane Browell Atkinson is likely the daughter of an unmarried daughter of John, I'd say. Browell would be her father's surname.

Are we positive that Esther is a child of John and Esther? There's a large gap between Mary Ann and Esther.

Or is Mary Ann a child of the first marriage, and Esther of the second ... ? No, they married 1888.

What???

Marriages Dec 1888
ATKINSON John Auckland 10a 296
BOAGEY Esther Auckland 10a 296


But here is the household in 1891!!!

John Atkinson 44
Mary Atkinson 30
Richard Atkinson 19
Margaret Atkinson 18
John Atkinson 11
William Atkinson 7
Frank Atkinson 7
Frances Atkinson 9
Elizabeth A Atkinson 3
Mary A Atkinson 11/12


That is obviously the same household.

What sense does this make??

I don't know why we're looking for this, but here it is:

Marriages Sep 1870
> ATKINSON John Auckland 10a 304
> BROWELL Elizabeth Auckland 10a 304
PARKIN Joseph Auckland 10a 304
WATSON Hannah Auckland 10a 304

Because on the 1881 census john atkinsons wife is elizabeth and jane 1901 has browell for a middle name.

We do know that on the 1891 image, these two:

William Atkinson 7
Frank Atkinson 7

are identified as twins?

But both of them are *not* William Frank Boagey.

Then on the 1901 they look like this:

Francis Atkinson 19
William Atkinson 16
William Frank Boagy 16

Francis aged faster than William, it seems.

Francis is actually a girl,so Frances
and as for ageing what about john atkinson senior
54 in 1881,44 in 1891and 54 in 1901.
the two williams are NOT twins as one is a boagey in 1901 even though frank is down instead of william in 1891 for him and he is also listed as atkinson them.

evie my story what started all this

my mother is looking to find her fathers back ground his name charles edward nelsonboagey he father william francis boagey wife gertrude boagey maiden name mace .
charles ran away from home about the age 14 15 ish because he says he hit him ,charles also used to say he had a sister and she could not do anything wrong he got the blame all the time we not sure on sisters name seem to think lucy or lou as he used to call her charles says he went to live with a friend a john atkinson but when weve looked william francsis mom married a john atkinson who was a lot older and had got kids from his 1st marrage to a mary she died john had a son the same name as william francis and on the cences passed them off as twins
then charles made his way to sheffield looking for work married winnie who just totaly wrote all over his birth cert atkinson thats about it we thought it was so streight forward however i have been given an email address of a direct dec i have emailed him asking if he knows if twins had any children need sisters name to find living relatives if ther wher any god what a mystery vive did you understand all that sean

I will not be confused
I will not be confused
I am pretty sure I have the right familys on the census,I spent ruddy AGES checking that I had.

Okay, this is nuts.

John Atkinson married

Elizabeth Browell 1870
Esther Boagey 1888

In between, he married Mary.

But there is no marriage 1870-1888 to a Mary.

Is Mary just Elizabeth by another name?


1881

John Atkinson 54 <<<< ????
Elizabeth Atkinson 32
Margaret Atkinson 9
Richard Atkinson 7
John Atkinson 2


These are the same people as in 1891 and 1901 -- the kids are the same.

But what's with John not aging in 20 years??

We shouldn't even be doing this -- since we know now that Sean's William Frank is a Boagey, not an Atkinson -- but good grief, what were these people doing??

Yes I kind of understood ,but Johns wife before Esther was ELIZABETH not MARY!
look at the 1881 census to see that
And the browell atkinson marriage Evie found.
viv