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ive got one of the cert through today its the marriage cert of john atkinson and esther boagey itsays
october 1988
john atkinson 36yrs widower coal miner residence stanley crook and billy row
father richard atkinson decided
esther boagey 28yrs widow residence stanley crook and billy row
father william bayes
in the presence of john dougall and a x the mark of margaret dougall
district auckland durham
hope the others come tomorrow

So.


Esther being 28 in 1888 (not 1988!) fits with the 1891 census for Mary:

John Atkinson 44
Mary Atkinson 30

John's a little old in 1891.


John's age in 1901 is consistent with 1891, Esther has lost years:

John Atkinson 54
Esther Atkinson 36


Anyhow -- she was a widow when she married. Hmm. Maybe yes, maybe no?


"Crook and Billy Row" is a census location in 1881 ... no Boagey or Atkinson there in 1881.

Oh! silly me. Father William Bayes.

She IS this Esther:

Marriages Mar 1883
BAYES Esther Hartlepool 10a 152
>>> BOAGEY Hunter Hartlepool 10a 152

Except AAARGH we already established:


1891

Hunter Boagey 32
Ether Boagey 22

1901

Hunter Boagey 42
Esther B Boagey 32
Mary E Boagey 9
Hunter Boagey 2


Births Sep 1858
Boagey Hunter Stockton 10a 80
Deaths Mar 1927
Boagey Hunter 67 Hartlepool 10a 157

Births Dec 1864
BAYES Esther Hartlepool 10a 140


!!!! Could there possibly be TWO Esther Bayes-s who married a Boagey???

I don't THINK so!

In fact, per the GRO / FreeBMD, there weren't.

Somebody stop this spinning, I'm getting dizzy. ;)

def says 100% stanley crook and billy row what you thinking is there a death for 1st husband william would have been about 4 when esther got married to john

Sean, don't confuse matters!
Her husband wasn't William, her father was.
edit - sorry, I read that as
"was there a death for first husband William"
when what it meant was
"was there a death for first husband --- William would have been about 4"

Sean, could you use a wee bit of punctuation? like:

was there a death for first husband **?**

or use the ENTER key to create new lines for different thoughts? like:

was there a death for first husband
William would have been about 4

It would just make it a whole lot easier to conduct the conversation!


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So -- aaaaaaaaaaargh, what of:

Marriages Mar 1890
? Allen Esther Banks Hartlepool 10a 143
? Boagey Hunter Hartlepool 10a 143
Kerr John Hartlepool 10a 143
MURPHY Annie Hartlepool 10a 143

Births Mar 1869
ALLEN Esther Banks Stockton 10a 83


Are *these* the Esther and Hunter Boagey in the 1891 and 1901?
The age of Esther Boagey in 1891 and 1901 fits Esther Banks Allen *exactly*.

Did Esther Bayes and Hunter Boagey just separate, declare themselves widowed, and get married again??

Frank Boagey's birth certificate is going to have to tell all. (I'm not going to trust his marriage certificate!)

Well I am for the bigamists
but will have to come back later as duty calls now,b****r
viv

1911


BOAGEY HUNTER S 1859 52 Hartlepool Durham
BOAGEY ESTHER B 1869 42 Hartlepool Durham
BOAGEY GEORGE 1904 7 Hartlepool Durham
BOAGEY DAVID A 1901 10 Hartlepool Durham
BOAGEY HUNTER 1898 13 Hartlepool Durham
BOAGEY MARY E 1892 19 Hartlepool Durham



ATKINSON ESTHER F 1865 46 Auckland Durham (born Hartlepool)
- not sure who else is in the same household other than "Jane Bruel Atkinson" -- I think Viv provided this info earlier


It just keeps looking like the Esther Boagey in 1891, 1901, 1911 is ESTHER BANKS ALLEN
and the Esther Bayes who married Hunter Boagey is the Esther Atkinson in 1901 and 1911 (and Mary in 1891??).

My conclusion is that ESTHER BAYES BOAGEY and HUNTER BOAGEY both committed bigamy when they "re"married!

Oops - I see Viv's is the same. ;)

hi evie i dont know how long you have been helping people like me but have you ever come across a family like mine trust me im not one it stoped with william although my grandfather charles has yet to be investigated what will we find there i wonder i have to keep going over the posts just to keep track of it all and then viv has to remind me names i get wrong

Oh yes I have, Sean. Mine. ;) (Different oddities, but full of 'em too!)

That's how I learned all the tricks -- practising on my own family!

Can I demonstrate what I was asking, about the ENTER key?

Here's what you wrote:

hi evie i dont know how long you have been helping people like me but have you ever come across a family like mine trust me im not one it stoped with william although my grandfather charles has yet to be investigated what will we find there i wonder i have to keep going over the posts just to keep track of it all and then viv has to remind me names i get wrong

Here's how it would look if you used the ENTER key (hit it twice to make a nice white space) to break it up:

______________________________________________

hi evie

i dont know how long you have been helping people like me but have you ever come across a family like mine

trust me im not one
it stoped with william although my grandfather charles has yet to be investigated
what will we find there i wonder

i have to keep going over the posts just to keep track of it all
and then viv has to remind me names i get wrong
______________________________________________


See how you can tell, now, where one thought ends and another starts?

Please? It's so easy to do, and it just makes life so much easier for us reading.

I agree with Evie
Try hitting the ruddy "enter"key on the right sometimes Sean
I have to read what you have written about 3 times to get what you mean!
We will both give a big YIPEE when you do it the first time.
viv
x x

hi evie

ok will do from now on

thanks
sean

YIPEE
Thanks Sean.
I think that esther and hunter must have mutually agreed to do what they did.
Well neither of them moved far did they?

Hi Sean,

I work with a bloke called Michael Nelson, his family come from the Isle of Man but I beleive they are originally from up north of England.

Pat.

ok laidys

I know what you ment now by got to go back to come forward
to get the facts right its getting really interesting .

wonder where the nelson in charles edwards name came from

am i getting better at writing although i cant do anything about my spelling xxxxxxsean

Your posts are a joy to read now Sean, a model of coherent posting. ;)

It is interesting - you couldn't make it up, actually.

Where the Nelson came from -- you may not find out -- but if you do, who knows, you may end up being related to Patrick's coworker. ;)

well hopefully all the cert will arrive tom and this mystery will be solved.

and i want to thank you both again for all your help but cant help but wonder if ill ever find lucy thats why i started all this, to find here line if she ever did have children.

your both fab xxsean

Thank you for the fab Sean,they were one of my favourite lollies when I was a child.
But I think Evie is the one who deserves it most at the moment as she is so quick I just have to follow her lead.
viv

were them the ones with the spinkles on the end i remember them

to viv
thanks i really am gratefull i would never have got this far without seanxxxx

to evie
thankyou for all you have done for me like viv says you have done all the work so dont give up now we must have a ending

theres a fab lollie in it for you both if you solve this mystery xxsean