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for those who like a mystery....?

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Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 11 May 2009 18:11

Hi all- ok so certs arrived today......

FACT:
Patricia Ann GORE
DOB: 20-03-1948
POB: Paddington Hospital
Father: (HAS A LINE THROUGH)
Name of Mother: Yvonne May GORE
of 12 clarendon Mews
Paddington W2


DEATH CERT FACT:
Yvonne May GREENHALGH Maiden name GORE

DOD: 28-07-1975

DOB: 23-06-1919
Cheltenham

Informant: Patricia Ann Ishmael-
Qualification: Daughter
usual address 8 Connett House Bethnal Green E2
END OF FACT:

So it hasn't really helped us has it?? We had found this info out all ready....

I'm starting to think maybe I'll never know.....?

Thanks guys again for all your help and support

Annie xXx

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 11 May 2009 19:10

Births Jun 1919 (>99%)
Auberson Yvonne M G Bennington Lambeth 1d 518
Brewer Yvonne M Parker Edmonton 3a 633
Caldecot Yvonne M E Richards Tonbridge 2a 1128
Christian Yvonne M Betteridge Westbury S 6a 367
Coulette Yvonne M Whiting Fulham 1a 391
Duprey Yvonne M Watson Wandsworth 1d 730
Eccell Yvonne M Maynard Tonbridge 2a 1155
Gardner Yvonne M Boulter Banbury 3a 1485
Hayles Yvonne M Sampson Chertsey 2a 68
Ivory Yvonne M Trevett Lewisham 1d 1440
Longman Yvonne M Longman Wandsworth 1d 777
O'Neill Yvonne M Cayzer Brighton 2b 258
Richardson Yvonne M Wass Lincoln 7a 648
Watts Yvonne M Probert Dartford 2a 858


these are all the yvonne m's born in third quart 1919....

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 11 May 2009 19:12

Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Audet Yvonne M C Cusack Ripon 9a 96
Fidgeon Yvonne M Durham Brentford 3a 258
Horne Yvonne M I Adams Belper 7b 1134
Kennard Yvonne M Snowing Amersham 3a 1329
Larrazabal Yvonne M C Jauhers Barnet 3a 664
Moinet Yvonne M Railton Scarbro' 9d 601
Potten Yvonne M Potten Brentford 3a 184
Tyler Yvonne M Newman Swindon 5a 22
Ward Yvonne M Hunt Richmond S. 2a 815


all the ones for the third quarter 1919...

Tania

Tania Report 11 May 2009 20:07


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Births Jun 1919 (>99%)
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Christian Yvonne M Betteridge Westbury S 6a 367
Smith Yvonne E Kingscote Cheltenham 6a 574

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Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
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Meadows Yvonne D Bayliss Tewkesbury 6a 662


these are for the gloucester area
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Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 11 May 2009 20:29

ok hi guys-

I have just phone Pat again- and really puzzled her!! I had to ask her the same question worded diff to get an answer!!

Ok so a few facts (according to pat)

Birdwhistle is the right one as she remembers a nanny julie,

Yvonne had 2 brothers- Ronnie/Ron/ronald and George

George died before Yvonne did

Ron could possibly be alive

She also had a sister who she knew as Queenie (I dont think this is her real name though)

Queenie got married to unknown by pat and had a daughter called DAPHNY (i think its how you spell it- its pronounced "Daff-ney")
Quennie's husband died when pat was little.

They all lived/live in cheltenham/ glouster area (once again i am sorry for my poor spelling)

I am presuming that Daphny was born around the time of pat??

going to do a bmd search and i'm going to look back over this thread as there were a few people who mentioned ron and george GORE's

Patricia seemed very cagy and closed and i think there is something hidden there- as when i said i'm still looking she said "oh no why you still looking"

I asked if Stan was married previously and she said yes it could have been.

i asked why she was born in paddington- she said that her mum moved there a little while before she was born- I THINK possibly that pat was an affair?? and Stan followed? Just a theroy as there is no record of any marriage so maybe they just wanted a fresh start...?

With regards to stan being born in wales she said it was something to do with work (i had to ask her this question re-worded 5 times before she gave up that he was born there because of work!)

I also asked what religion her mum and dad were (as i thought possibly if they had a weird religion that wasnt recognised by the land that could could explain it?) but apparently they were brought up CofE

That was the best I could squeeze from her it took nearly an hour to do that!

She is very closed on the subject and you really have to dig? so who knows but at least she gave us a little more info

Thanks

Annie x

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 11 May 2009 20:54

Daphne,it is spelt
Daphne.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 11 May 2009 20:57

two births for a queenie gore
Queenie is a name in its own right by the way.

Births Mar 1906 (>99%)
Gore Queenie Alexandra W Luton 3b 394

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Gore Queenie E Bath Islington 1b 424

Did you ask or do we have any idea where yvonne was supposedly born???

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 11 May 2009 21:06

I thought queenie was another name for beatrice? not sure if I'm right....

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 11 May 2009 21:15

It can be a nick name for a dad to use for a daughter too.
Just like princess or daddys little angel.

But queenie I always think of as a predominantley london name.
Silly I know.

So did you ask where yvonne was born?

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 11 May 2009 21:27

I did- as i explained to her NO record of her mothers birth or marriage could be found- she still stands by the place cheltenham

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 11 May 2009 22:08

I wonder.................

Birth

Letitia QUEENIE Gore
Winchcomb
3rd qtr 1909
vol 6a page 586


WINCHCOMB REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Gloucestershire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.4.1937 (succeeded by Cheltenham and North Cotswold districts)


Brenda

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 11 May 2009 22:15

There are only 7 Daphnes born with MMN Gore. Nothing in Gloucestershire and nothing after 1943.

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 11 May 2009 22:16

Did you ask her who Yvonne's parents were? That would really be useful.

Rose

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 11 May 2009 22:23

possible for stans parents?
Its the only Juliana Greenhalgh listed...
.........................................................................................
Address 18 Whitby Rd
Civil Parish South Manchester
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish Ladybarn St Chad
Parliamentary Borough or Division South Division Manchester
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Manchester
Administrative County Manchester
Householder 1
Name George J Greenhalgh
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 26
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Ship Camal Co Blank
Employment Status
Where Born Cheshire Northwich
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Juliana Greenhalgh
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 25
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Haughton
Language
Infirmity
.............................................................

Rose I did ask her and she said she knew nothing- I actually asked her 6 times about this? asked her about any of her mums, mums bro's/sis' but she could not recall any aunts/uncles nothing...... sorry :(

Annie x

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 11 May 2009 22:24

1911

HOUSEHOLD GORE QUENNIE F 1909 2 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE ANNIE F 1904 7 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE ARCHIBALD M 1898 13 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE BEATRICE F 1900 11 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE DORIS F 1902 9 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE LAUNCELOT M 1896 15 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE MARGARET F 1874 37 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE NELLIE F 1907 4 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE JUNR JOHN M 1872 39 Winchcomb Gloucestershire

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 11 May 2009 22:32

mmmmm.....

that could well be you know, all the names are 'posh' sounding like yvonne.....

thank you viviene!!

annie x

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 11 May 2009 22:35

Births Jun 1919
Gore Phyllis Greening Winchcomb 6a 536

another possible child??

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 11 May 2009 22:41

Maybe it's a habit using alternative names in the family?

Parents on 1911 census

MARRIAGE Dec 1895
Gore John Gloucester 6a 585
Knight Maria Gloucester 6a 585

Could Maria be Margaret in 1911? Yes ! ( see 1901 census below)
John Gore is really Arthur John Gore ( see census below)

.......................................................................................................

The children of the above couple:-

Births Jun 1896
GORE Charles John L Winchcomb 6a 378 ( Launcelot on 1911 census)


Births Mar 1898
Gore Archibald Raymond Winchcomb 6a 376


Births Mar 1900
Gore Beatrice Ivy Winchcomb 6a 437




Births Mar 1902
Gore Emily Doris Winchcomb 6a 419 ( Doris on 1911 census)

MARRIAGE Mar 1930
Gore Doris E Winchcomb 6a 585
Davis Lionel Winchcomb 6a 585




Births Jun 1904
Gore Margaret Annie Winchcomb 6a 434 ( Annie on 1911 census)


Births Jun 1907
GORE Nellie Winchcomb 6a 414


Births Sep 1909
Gore Letitia Queenie Winchcomb 6a 386 ( Quennie/Queenie on 1911 census)



BIRTH Sep 1911
Gore Frederick G mmn Knight Winchcomb 6a 750
Gore Fredrick G mmn Knight Winchcomb 6a 750

DEATH
Frederick GEORGE Gore dob 31/07/1911
Gloucester R
2nd qtr 1970
vol 7b page 1131

This death is a couple of years before Yvonne's death! Also could have been known by his middle name of GEORGE.




BIRTH Sep 1914
Gore Rubert E mmn Knight Winchcomb 6a 734



>>>>>>BIRTH Sep 1917
>>>>>>Gore Elvina E M mmn Knight Winchcomb 6a 537
>>>>>>Even though birth is 2 years earlier, could this be Yvonne M Gore? Have a feeling about this one......Elvina?.......Yvonne...?.



BIRTH Jun 1920
Gore Daphne B J mmn Knight Winchcomb 6a 877

MARRIAGE
Daphne B J Gore,,,,,,,,,,,,,Alfred J ,Hawkins
Cheltenham
4th qtr 1940
vol 6a page 1479

Maybe "Queenie" named her daughter Daphne after her younger sister?



and this from my earlier reply:
Birth
Letitia QUEENIE Gore
Winchcomb
3rd qtr 1909
vol 6a page 586

Listed as Quennie on the 1911 census but Queenie on the original census copy!



WINCHCOMB REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Gloucestershire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.4.1937 (succeeded by Cheltenham and North Cotswold districts)

Brenda

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 11 May 2009 22:51

mmmmm, brenda interesting stuff!!!

I don't know what to think!!!!

I agree with the name thing though as it seems to happen alot in those days....

thanks annie x

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 11 May 2009 22:59

This is "John" Gore from the 1911 census!

Births Jun 1872
Gore Arthur John Newbury 2c 244

and:

Births Mar 1874
Knight Maria Winchcomb 6a 402

Brenda