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i did my search from 1930 as elvina would have been 16 just old enough to marry... sorry did not see your reply before i posted

Thanks

ok have done a Free BMD search and drew a blank-

I will look through a more thorough search through GR tomorrow,

night all

Annie x

Havent found any marriages fo an Elvina on freebmd up to 1935 and have now been looking on familyrelatives from 1936..........now up to last qtr 1948

no deaths anywhere for Elvina on freebmd!

Brenda

ok will do will post any thing i find

thanks

annie x

Annie, with reference to Elvina possibly Yvonne, just as Viv says:-

"Although to be sure about Elvina, the marriages would need to be gone through to be sure she didnt appear anywhere, and if not then the deaths to make sure."

If after that, I would think about sending for her birth certificate and if the day and month (not the year) agree with her dob on her death certificate then it would possible to say that you have found her.

Brenda

I did see all the info- i have copied and pasted it all to word and am looking through it all and got lost!! :D

I didn't know which or what certs to order if any?

I'm lost......

Enjoy the quiz!! :D

Thanks Annie x

Maybe............one of these could be Ronald:-


BIRTH
Jun 1922
Gore Ronald L mmn Gore Winchcomb 6a 721


Births Jun 1931
Gore Ronald mmn Gore Winchcomb 6a 576


and just maybe he could be the son of one of the Gore daughters born to John and Maria.

Brenda

I vote with Brenda as she has just put into words all that I was thinking.
yvonne is a much more accepable GOOD english name than Elvina and there is an m in there for May.
Maybe the second name was even less to her liking than elvina.
Although to be sure about Elvina, the marriages would need to be gone through to be sure she didnt appear anywhere, and if not then the deaths to make sure.
But there is no ronald?

How about trying to find out if the surname Knight rings a bell with Pat?

Back later,off out to the pub for quiz night.
viv

Hi Annie,

Have you thought about any of the information contained in the reply at the top of this page? There are a number of bits of info that are very close to the family that you are looking for. For instance, Letitia Queenie Gore known as Queenie, Frederick George Gore (who died not long before Yvonne just as Patricia said) Probablty known as George if the rest of the family are anything to go by as most of them are known by their middle name.Even their father married in the name of John Gore when his correct name was Arthur John Gore. A sister called Daphne ( possible that Queenie named her daughter after her) And then there is Elvina E M Gore born 3rd qtr but in 1917, It has already been shown that mistakes are made when registrations take place and perhaps this is one also. The name Elvina and Yvonne sound similar ...well sort of..........and perhaps she chose to be known as Yvonne.

There are so many "coincidences" that I feel inclined to give this family some thought.

Brenda

Births Jun 1919
Gore Phyllis Greening Winchcomb 6a 536


Do you think this could be Yvonne Gore??

Hi guys-

Just wondering after some direction as to what i should do now? Any advice welcome...

thanks

Annie x

Thank you brenda & viv for all your hard work and continued help on this brain teaser!!

I do not know where to go next....?

thanks guys and for everybody who has helped on this one!

Annie x

1891 England Census
about Maria Knight
Name: Maria Knight
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles W
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Winchcombe, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Winchcombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchcombe
Town: Winchcombe
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:Hailes Street
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education
Employment status:
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Registration district: Winchcomb
Sub-registration district: Guiting
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles W Knight 55 Blacksmith
Charlotte Knight 59
Maria Knight 17
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2039; Folio 75; Page 7; GSU roll: 6097149.


1881 England Census
about Maria Knight
Name: Maria Knight
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles W.
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Winchcomb, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Winchcomb
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address: New Inn Hailes Street
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Winchcomb
Sub-registration district: Guiting
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles W. Knight 45 Master Blacksmith & Inn Keeper
Charlotte Knight 47
Sarah Knight 21
Charlotte A. Knight 15
William Knight 12
James Knight 9
Maria Knight 7
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2564; Folio: 87; Page: 5; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341618.



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Charlotte Knight
Name: Charlotte Knight
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 61
District: Winchcomb
County: Gloucestershire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 267

1901 England Census
about Arthur I Gore (should be Arthur J Gore)
Name: Arthur I Gore
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Newbury, Berkshire, England

Civil Parish: Winchcombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Gretton Christchurch and Winchcombe St Peter
Town: Gretton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Winchcombe
Sub-registration district: Guiting
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur I Gore 28 General Labourer
Maria Gore 27
Charles I L Gore 4
Archibald R Gore 3
Beatrice I Gore 1
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2456; Folio: 123; Page: 16.



1881 England Census
about Arthur J. Gore
Name: Arthur J. Gore
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenham, Berkshire, England

Civil Parish: Greenham
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address: Folly West Side
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Newbury
Sub-registration district: Thatcham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Gore 37 General Labourer
Emily Gore 34
Anna M. Gore 11
Arthur J. Gore 8
Harry G. Gore 6
Herbert E. Gore 3
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1268; Folio: 49; Page: 6; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341309.

DEATH of Emily Gore born 1847/8
Deaths Mar 1911
Gore Emily age 63 Winchcomb 6a 296

DEATH of John Gore born 1844
Deaths Mar 1925
GORE John age 81 Winchcomb 6a 553

This is "John" Gore from the 1911 census!

Births Jun 1872
Gore Arthur John Newbury 2c 244

and:

Births Mar 1874
Knight Maria Winchcomb 6a 402

Brenda

mmmmm, brenda interesting stuff!!!

I don't know what to think!!!!

I agree with the name thing though as it seems to happen alot in those days....

thanks annie x

Maybe it's a habit using alternative names in the family?

Parents on 1911 census

MARRIAGE Dec 1895
Gore John Gloucester 6a 585
Knight Maria Gloucester 6a 585

Could Maria be Margaret in 1911? Yes ! ( see 1901 census below)
John Gore is really Arthur John Gore ( see census below)

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The children of the above couple:-

Births Jun 1896
GORE Charles John L Winchcomb 6a 378 ( Launcelot on 1911 census)


Births Mar 1898
Gore Archibald Raymond Winchcomb 6a 376


Births Mar 1900
Gore Beatrice Ivy Winchcomb 6a 437




Births Mar 1902
Gore Emily Doris Winchcomb 6a 419 ( Doris on 1911 census)

MARRIAGE Mar 1930
Gore Doris E Winchcomb 6a 585
Davis Lionel Winchcomb 6a 585




Births Jun 1904
Gore Margaret Annie Winchcomb 6a 434 ( Annie on 1911 census)


Births Jun 1907
GORE Nellie Winchcomb 6a 414


Births Sep 1909
Gore Letitia Queenie Winchcomb 6a 386 ( Quennie/Queenie on 1911 census)



BIRTH Sep 1911
Gore Frederick G mmn Knight Winchcomb 6a 750
Gore Fredrick G mmn Knight Winchcomb 6a 750

DEATH
Frederick GEORGE Gore dob 31/07/1911
Gloucester R
2nd qtr 1970
vol 7b page 1131

This death is a couple of years before Yvonne's death! Also could have been known by his middle name of GEORGE.




BIRTH Sep 1914
Gore Rubert E mmn Knight Winchcomb 6a 734



>>>>>>BIRTH Sep 1917
>>>>>>Gore Elvina E M mmn Knight Winchcomb 6a 537
>>>>>>Even though birth is 2 years earlier, could this be Yvonne M Gore? Have a feeling about this one......Elvina?.......Yvonne...?.



BIRTH Jun 1920
Gore Daphne B J mmn Knight Winchcomb 6a 877

MARRIAGE
Daphne B J Gore,,,,,,,,,,,,,Alfred J ,Hawkins
Cheltenham
4th qtr 1940
vol 6a page 1479

Maybe "Queenie" named her daughter Daphne after her younger sister?



and this from my earlier reply:
Birth
Letitia QUEENIE Gore
Winchcomb
3rd qtr 1909
vol 6a page 586

Listed as Quennie on the 1911 census but Queenie on the original census copy!



WINCHCOMB REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Gloucestershire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.4.1937 (succeeded by Cheltenham and North Cotswold districts)

Brenda

Births Jun 1919
Gore Phyllis Greening Winchcomb 6a 536

another possible child??

mmmmm.....

that could well be you know, all the names are 'posh' sounding like yvonne.....

thank you viviene!!

annie x

1911

HOUSEHOLD GORE QUENNIE F 1909 2 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE ANNIE F 1904 7 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE ARCHIBALD M 1898 13 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE BEATRICE F 1900 11 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE DORIS F 1902 9 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE LAUNCELOT M 1896 15 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE MARGARET F 1874 37 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE NELLIE F 1907 4 Winchcomb Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD GORE JUNR JOHN M 1872 39 Winchcomb Gloucestershire