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Birth of John Smith McPhail

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LiverpooMo

LiverpooMo Report 22 May 2009 16:38

Hi,I have been looking for my Dad's birth for quite a few years now,he was John Smith McPhail his birth date 17 August 1907
he always said he was born in Northern Ireland but I'm not getting anywhere.
His parents were Archibald McPhail d.o.b.1874 married to Christina Craig Smith d.o.b.1874,they were married 20 October 1902 in Govan,Lanarkshire,Scotland,my dad had a older brother
Alexander born 1904 in Patrick,,Lanarkshire,any help would be greatly appreciated.Thanks

RutlandBelle

RutlandBelle Report 22 May 2009 16:51

Maureen have you checked on Scotland's People just to be sure he wasn't born there, especially as his parents married there and brother born there.

LiverpooMo

LiverpooMo Report 22 May 2009 17:13

Hi Rutland Belle,yes I have been on Scotlands People but no luck,have asked on the forum and had quite a response from people trying to help me to no- avail,just don't know what else I can do.Thanks for your reply,any other suggestions.

K

K Report 22 May 2009 17:51

have sent a PM

K

K Report 22 May 2009 19:24

Realised once I had sent message that it might be your own tree.

Have tried http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/map.php - nothing showing

Have you tried a BIVRI look up - sure someone will do it for you

LiverpooMo

LiverpooMo Report 8 Sep 2009 17:29

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LiverpooMo

LiverpooMo Report 21 Sep 2009 16:42

Hi and thank you to everybody who gave me guidence for searching for my Dads birth.
Have recieved to-day in the post MY DAD'S cercificate from Oxford house,Belfast,it cost £12 for the long version and well worth it as I now have the address he was born at.
Can anybody advise me as to how I go about finding out who was living at 70 Bloom Street,Belfast in 1907 as I need to find out if my Grand parents were staying with relatives there.
In 1904 I know they were living in Patrick,Lanarkshire and by 1911 census they were living in Bootle,Liverpool,would welcome any advise.
Once again my thanks to you all you are GREAT

Maureen

LiverpooMo

LiverpooMo Report 18 Jul 2013 16:06

nudge

Maura

Maura Report 18 Jul 2013 17:15

Maureen, theres no Bloom street in Belfast, but there is a Broom street, 1907 a John Smith occupation tailor was living at this address

Maura

Maura Report 18 Jul 2013 17:25

Census Years1901AntrimShankhillCrimea StreetResidents of a house
Residents of a house 32 in Crimea Street (Shankhill, Antrim)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Smith John 36 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Scotland Tailor Read and write - Married -
Smith Annie 34 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Kildare - Read and write

Census Years1911AntrimShankillEnfield StreetResidents of a house
Residents of a house 52 in Enfield Street (Shankill, Antrim)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Smith John 46 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Scotland Tailor Read and write - Widower - - - -
Smith Jane A 23 Female Niece Presbyterian Scotland - Read and write


Name of deceased John Smith
Last place of residence City Hospl 76 Enfield St
Age 80 Years
Sex
Date of death 18 March 1946
Date of burial 20 March 1946
Cemetery Dundonald Cemetery
Grave section and number C2 32
Burial Type Earth Burial

Name of deceased Mrs Annie Smith
Last place of residence Union Hospital 66 Crimea Street
Age 36 Yrs
Sex
Date of death 7 May 1906
Date of burial 9 May 1906
Cemetery Dundonald Cemetery
Grave section and number C2 32
Burial Type Earth Burial

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 18 Jul 2013 19:55

Maureen....Cross ref the parents of Christina Craig Smith with that of John Smith...I think that may be your connection also check parents of Jane A.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Jul 2013 12:49

1911 - for ref.

Name: Christina McPhail
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Fife Kings Kattle <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Bootle cum Linacre
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 36 Stafford St Bootle
Marital Status: Married
Registration District: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration District: Bootle
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 22423
Household Members:
Name Age
Christina McPhail 36
Alexander McPhail 6
John McPhail 3
Archibald McPhail 1



Name: Christina Craig Smith
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 11 May 1874
Birthplace: KETTLE,FIFE,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: John Smith
Mother's Name: Margaret Hay
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11435-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 6035516
Reference ID:





parents:John Smith, Margaret Hay


Christian Craig Smith

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 16 September 1861 FALKLAND,FIFE,SCOTLAND


parents:John Smith, Margaret Hay


Janet Smith

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 7 December 1868 FALKLAND,FIFE,SCOTLAND


parents:John Smith, Margaret Hay


John Smith

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 26 July 1865 FALKLAND,FIFE,SCOTLAND


parents:John Smith, Margaret Hay


David Hay Smith

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 24 June 1864 FALKLAND,FIFE,SCOTLAND


parents:John Smith, Margaret Hay


Mary Robertson Smith

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 18 November 1881 Collessie, Fife, Scotland
residence: 1881 Scotland


parents:John Smith, Margaret Hay


Thomas Smith

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 11 January 1863 FALKLAND,FIFE,SCOTLAND


parents:John Smith, Margaret Hay


James Hay Smith

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 23 November 1866 FALKLAND,FIFE,SCOTLAND


parents:John Smith, Margaret Hay


Christina Craig Smith

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 11 May 1874 KETTLE,FIFE,SCOTLAND


parents:John Smith, Margaret Hay


May Hay Smith

Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 18 April 1872 KETTLE,FIFE,SCOTLAND


parents:John Smith, Margaret Hay


From the above it looks like the John Smith on the Ireland Census was a brother of Christina.


1891

Name: Christina Smith
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: John Smith
Mother's Name: Margaret Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Fife, King's Kettle
Registration number: 416
Registration District: Collessie
Civil Parish: Collessie
Town: Ladybank
County: Fife
Address: Palace Place Church St
Occupation: Factory Worker Weaver
ED: 5
Household Schedule Number: 102
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1891_126
Household Members:
Name Age
John Smith 62
Margaret Smith 56
May Smith 19
Christina Smith 16
Mary Smith 10
Margaret Smith 8
Isabella Smith 5
Janet Smith 3

1881

Name: John Smith
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John Smith
Mother's Name: Margt Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Falkland, Fife
Registration number: 416
Registration District: Collessie
Civil Parish: Collessie
County: Fife
Address: Russells Land
Occupation: Tailor'S App
ED: 5
Household Schedule Number: 25
Line: 24
Roll: cssct1881_115
Household Members:
Name Age
John Smith 51
Margt Smith 46
David Smith 16
John Smith 15
James Smith 24
Mary Smith 8
Christn Smith 6







rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Jul 2013 13:04

1871

Name: John Smith
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Falkland, fifeshire
Registration number: 416
Registration District: Collessie
Civil Parish: Collessie
County: Fife
Address: Ladybank
Occupation: Labourer ??
ED: 3
Household Schedule Number: 141
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_71
Household Members:
Name Age
John Smith 42
Margaret Smith 37
Thomas Smith 8
David Smith 6
John Smith 5
James Smith 4
Jane Smith 2



1861

Name: John Smith
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Smith
Mother's Name: Mary Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Falkland, fifeshire
Registration number: 428/1
Registration District: Falkland Burgh
Civil Parish: Falkland
Town: Falkland-Partty
County: Fife
Address: New Road
Occupation: Linen Weaver
ED: 3
Household Schedule Number: 25
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1861_57
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Smith 66
Mary Smith 67
John Smith 32
Margaret Smith 27

1841

Piece: SCT1841/428 Place: Falkland -Fife Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Falkland Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 4
Address: Pleasents

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks

SMITH Thomas M 45 Hand Loom Weaver Fife
SMITH Mary F 45 - Fife
SMITH Mary F 20 - Fife
SMITH Alexander M 20 Hand Loom Weaver Fife
SMITH David M 18 Hand Loom Weaver Fife
SMITH Thomas M 15 Hand Loom Weaver Fife
Page: 1/5 SMITH Jean F 14 - Fife
SMITH John M 12 Hand Loom Weaver Fife
SMITH William M 10 - Fife
SMITH Margreat F 8 - Fife
SMITH Ann F 6 - Fife
SMITH George M 4 - Fife

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Jul 2013 13:10

1851

Name: Margaret Hay
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relationship: Daughter
Mother's Name: Christian Hay
Gender: Female
Where born: Falkland, fifeshire
Parish Number: 428
Civil Parish: Falkland
County: Fife
Address: Eastport
Occupation: Hand Loom Weaver (linen)
ED: 8
Page: 3 (click to see others on page)
Household Schedule Number: 9
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_89
Household Members:
Name Age
Christian Hay 50 Mason's wife, b. Falkland
May Hay 24
James Hay 18
Margaret Hay 16
Charlotte Hay 14
David Hay 12
Isabella Rollo 7, Neice, b. Leith, Midlothian

1841

Piece: SCT1841/428 Place: Falkland -Fife Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Falkland Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 2 Page: 7
Address: High Street

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks

HAY David M 42 Mason Fife
HAY Christian F 40 - Fife
HAY William M 18 Linen Hand Loom Weaver Fife
HAY Cecilia F 17 Linen Hand Loom Weaver Fife
HAY May F 15 Linen Hand Loom Weaver Fife
HAY John M 10 - Fife
HAY James M 8 - Fife
HAY Margaret F 6 - Fife
Page: 2/8 HAY Charlot F 4 - Fife
HAY David M 2 - Fife

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Jul 2013 13:26

Parents: David Hay, Christian Craig

Charlotte Hay
birth: 22 October 1836
christening: 4 December 1836 , FALKLAND, FIFE, SCOTLAND
residence: 1836 Falkland, Fifeshire, Scotland

James Hay
birth: 14 January 1833
christening: 20 January 1833 , FALKLAND, FIFE, SCOTLAND
residence: 1833 Falkland, Fifeshire, Scotland


Margaret Craig Millar Hay
birth: 12 March 1835
christening: 12 April 1835 , FALKLAND, FIFE, SCOTLAND
residence: 1835 Falkland, Fifeshire, Scotland


David Hay
birth: 1 March 1839
christening: 31 March 1839 , FALKLAND, FIFE, SCOTLAND
residence: 1839 Falkland, Fifeshire, Scotland


Cicilia Hay
birth: 16 January 1824 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
christening: SAINT CUTHBERTS, EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
residence: 1824 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland


William Craig Hay
birth: 1 September 1822 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
christening: SAINT CUTHBERTS, EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
residence: 1822 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland




Christian Hay nee Craig died after 1881. If you get her death registration from Scotlandspeople it will give the names of her parents - if the informant knew the details.

1881

Name: Christina Hay
Age: 80
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relationship: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Falkland, Fife
Registration number: 416
Registration District: Collessie
Civil Parish: Collessie
County: Fife
Address: Cross Street
ED: 5
Household Schedule Number: 56
Line: 16
Roll: cssct1881_115
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hay 48
Christina Hay 80
Mary Hay 54
Charlotte Hay 44
John Chapman 12 Nephew, b. Abbotshall, Fife

safc

safc Report 19 Jul 2013 13:35

Name: Christiana Craig
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 21 Aug 1808
Christening Place: , FALKLAND, FIFE, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 13 Aug 1808
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: David Craig
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Christiana Laing
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11428-5
System Origin: Scotland-VR
GS Film number: 1040111
Reference ID: - 2:169NK2G

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 19 Jul 2013 22:25

Possible Jane (1911)

See 1891 census Collessie.... with grandparents ????

Name: Janet Smith
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Female
Age: 3
Birthplace: Fife
Registration District: Collessie
County: Fife
Birth Year (Estimated): 1888