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shelley

presume this is his birth

FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about James Moses Margam
Name: James Moses Margam
Year of Registration: 1847
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Bridgend
County: Glamorgan
Volume: 26
Page: 324

i cant find him on a passenger list do you know they entry was it mispelt?

did find this which may be a relation

U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
about Moses K Margam
Name: Moses K Margam
Birth Date: 8 Oct 1850
Birth Place: Wales
Residence: Copper Hill, Arizona
Passport Issue Date: 28 May 1919
Father Name: Moses Margam
Father's Birth Location: Males
Father's Residence: Deceased
Passport Includes a Photo: Y
Source: Passport Applications, January 2, 1906 - March 31, 1925 (M1490)

fathers name also moses margam
emmigrated in 1892

wants a passport to visit children who still live in wales

looks like he is james brother

1851 Wales Census
about Moses Morgan
Name: Moses Morgan
[Moses Margam]
Age: 6 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Mary
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Cwmdu, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llangynwyd Cwmdu
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Occupation: View image
Disability: View image
Registration district: Bridgend
Sub-registration district: Maesteg
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 311
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Morgan 32
Elizabeth Morgan 20
James Morgan 3
Elizabeth Morgan 2
Moses Morgan 6 Mo

Many thanks Lorraine, all that info is taking me forward quite a bit, hope your Father is soon feeling better, thanks again.

Regards
Sandra x

Lorraine, thanks for the info about Richard Rowlings. We think it is the right person as he was in the navy and he also lived in Clapham.

Take care and best wishes Jennifer

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Hi Lorraine,
Many thanks for getting back to me with the Margam Family info, yes this is the James Margam I'm looking for, and Moses K. Margam was one of his brothers.
Yes I believe that James Margam surname was mispelt, I think it was down as Margan. I've been unable to find him or his wife Annie after they got married.
I'm really grateful for any info you can find about them, as I've been searching for years.
Kind Regards

ShelleyRose

shelley

i cant find him going out have tried various spellings

i think this is the incoming you mentioned

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about James Margan
Name: James Margan
Birth Date: abt 1847
Age: 46
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 15 Nov 1893
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Queenstown
Ship Name: Majestic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Majestic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: No owner or agent listed
Official Number: 97763

occupation farmer
travelling alone

val

you say she was born in staffordshire but the ohio death says born rotherham which is in yorkshire are you sure of place of birth,

do you have parents names please

Hi Lorraine,
Thanks for the latest info on james Margam, yes it is the right incoming info, I'm very grateful to you for taking the time to look up this elusive rellie of mine. Could I please ask you where I might find any info. regarding any children he and Annie might have had? Many thanks,
Best Wishes,

ShelleyRose

shelly

im sorry but i just cant find anything for annie or james in usa nor birth of any children

where did you find the marriage for them was it online as i cant even find that?

lorraine

Hi Lorraine,
I didn't find James Margam and Annie Thomson Birrell marriage online, I have a series of letters written by both James in the US to his father in Maesteg and visa versa, In one of the letters home James writes of his marriage to Annie. They were married on the 25 April 1882 on Capitol Hill, Leadville, Colorado, by the Rev. T.J. Mackay, Rector of St. George's Church, Leadville, Colorado. Witnessed by Miss Maggie Thomson and Mr. Andrew Robertson.
If I didn't have these letters, I'd doubt that he married, he's a real mystery after 1882. His sister Catherine Margam also went to the US, married in Canada, and died in Globe, Arizona in 1919 - don't know if that's any help?
Kind Regards,

ShelleyRose

shelley

not having much luck with the margam family there arent any colorado marriages online so cant find that

did find this which may be relevant to catherine

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about Herbert John Harper Margam
Name: Herbert John Harper Margam
Date of Birth: 22 May 1879
Gender: Male
Birth County: York
Father's Name: John Harper
Mother's Name: Catherine Margam
Roll Number: MS929_41

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Archibal L Harper
Name: Archibal L Harper
Social Security #: 555072511
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 28 Jul 1881
Birthplace: Colorado
Death Date: 3 Nov 1965
Death Place: Alameda
Mother's Maiden Name: Margam

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Howard C Harper
Name: Howard C Harper
Social Security #: 555073098
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 24 Feb 1891
Birthplace: Colorado
Death Date: 5 Dec 1963
Death Place: Marin
Mother's Maiden Name: Margam




this is the only other margam family i can find on a census born wales

1911 Census of Canada
about Edward Margam
Name: Edward Margam
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 49
Birth Date: Jan 1862
Birthplace: Wales
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1873
Tribal: Welsh
Province: Ontario
District: Nipissing
District Number: 99
Sub-District: North Bay
Sub-District Number: 109
Place of Habitation: Wyld St
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Margam 49
Emely P Margam 45
Walter E Margam 23
Jesse H Margam 20
Adlie L Margam 17
Pearl A Margam 14
May E Margam 6
Gern R Margam 3

val

do you know who she married and where they married was she still single when she emigrated

sorry to keep asking questions but cant find anything for her yet.

carol

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about Mary A Hagan
Name: Mary A Hagan
Arrival Date: 19 Feb 1896
Age: 39 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Pennland
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Last Residence: Demgannon
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_24

occupation housekeeper
says she is an american native
returning home
been living in usa for 24years


cant find kate going in 1894 closest i could find

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about Kate Hagan
Name: Kate Hagan
Arrival Date: 4 Sep 1893
Age: 24 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Indiana
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Friend's Name: Chas Hagan
Last Residence: Draperstown
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_19

travelling with ellen hagan aged 22
both servants
going to brothers chas hagan
in brackets says met by sister

are these the right ones

carol

re kate have this one

the dates on these are the arrival dates not departure

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about Kate Hagan
Name: Kate Hagan
Arrival Date: 11 Nov 1894
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Southwark
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_22

her name has been crossed out as she didnt board


boat left liverpoo; 31st october 1894 so that fits with the info you have


as for mary the one is the one i gave you before

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about Mary A Hagan
Name: Mary A Hagan
Arrival Date: 19 Feb 1896
Age: 39 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Pennland
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Last Residence: Demgannon
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_24

left liverpool 5th feb which also fits with the info you have

n

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Hello Lorraine,

Re your offer of checking the USA, Canadian records.

Below was a question I asked earlier today, in fact my first question on here. I got good help with the first part, but really need help to find where Gavin Cadden went after he left for America. Today a census in 1881 has shown him with a new wife Margaret Mc Cann and a little boy Gavin aged 2 years old....so I would think they all went to America together, but not sure. I would be grateful for any information you can find as this has been a long term family puzzle.

''I am looking for information about Gavin Cadden born Thornliebank, Glasgow 22.10.1846. His
parents were Margaret (nee Maxwell) and William Cadden who married Oct 1839. Gavin married Susan Brown they had a son William born March 1872. Susan died c 1875. Gavin , as far as we know he remarried but not sure when. Someone told me recently he was in the 1881 Scottish census, I have no access to that. The name Margaret Mc Cann came up from another person, maybe his new wife? We have the date 16.3.1883 as leaving for America. He did not take his son with him. William remained in Thornliebank,Glasgow all his life.

Gavin's Uncle, Gavin Maxwell born 1820, I think, went to America and settled in Utah. He shows in records there but I have looked to see if Gavin Cadden shows up there and have found nothing. I have started to search for ships to America but not found much and wondered if you can find where he went or who his second wife was or if he had more children.''

If I have done wrong by contacting you please let me know as I can see there are lots of rules re the threads, but I am still learning the ropes!
Regards,
TopazGem

Hi Lorraine
The last info that I can find on her is in the 1911 census when she was staying with her brother Edward Porter In Birmingham. I am making a huge leap here but perhaps she emigrated with her brother and his family. I have no details of any marriage and , as I said previously, her death records show her as Jennie Porter (her maiden name).
Many thanks for your efforts.
Val

topaz gem

not sure how much info you have so will list all i find


gavin with parents

1861 Scotland Census
about Gavin Cadden
Name: Gavin Cadden
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Willm
Mother's Name: Margt
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastwood, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 562
Registration district: Eastwood
Civil parish: Eastwood
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Westside Of Village Of Thornliebank
Occupation: Printfield Worker
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 135
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1861_75
Household Members: Name Age
Willm Cadden 41
Margt Cadden 49
Mary Cadden 17
Gavin Cadden 15
James Cadden 13
Joseph Cadden 11
John Cadden 8
Margt Cadden 6
Martha Cadden 4
James Maxwell 76





1881 Scotland Census
about Gavin Cadden
Name: Gavin Cadden
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Mc C
Gender: Male
Where born: Pollokshaws, Renfrew
Registration Number: 562
Registration district: Eastwood
Civil parish: Eastwood
Town: Pollockshaws
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 26 Pollok St.
Occupation: Millboard Finisher
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 58
Line: 3
Roll: cssct1881_163
Household Members: Name Age
Gavin Cadden 34
Margaret Mc C Cadden 26
Gavin Cadden 2


wife born hamilton lanarkshire


son born Pollokshaws

not sure if this is right one re immigration year

1900 United States Federal Census
about Gavin Cadden
Name: Gavin Cadden
Home in 1900: Newark Ward 10, Essex, New Jersey
Age: 53
Birth Date: Oct 1846
Birthplace: Scotland
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1875
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Marital Status: Widowed
Residence : Newark City, Essex, New Jersey
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Gavin Cadden 53
Charles Sanders 55
Helen McKenzie 55



occupation labourer
says he has been living in usa for 24 years which doesnt fit with the 1881 census


i cant find anything for him re immigration passenger lists nor a death or any other census

do you know the ships name he went on and what port? and where did you get the date of his immigration from


re gavin maxwell


have found this one born ireland

1880 United States Federal Census
about Garvin Maxwell
Name: Garvin Maxwell
[Gavin Maxwell]
Home in 1880: Mill, Tooele, Utah
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: Martha
Father's birthplace: Ireland
Mother's birthplace: Ireland
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
House Number: 4248833
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Garvin Maxwell 60
Martha Maxwell 51
Charles Maxwell 13


martha born ireland
charles born scotland


Stamp #: 003084
Given: Leon Marvin
Surname: Yates
Spouse:
Given: Ellen
Ancestor: John Oborn
Birth Date: 16 Nov 1843
Birth Place: Bath, Somerset, England
Death Date: 19 Oct 1915
Death Place: Union, Salt Lake Co. Utah
Relationship: 2nd gr Grandfather
Arrival: 9 Nov, 1856 with James C. Willey Handcart Co.
Comments: James Timbrell Worlton Dork 20 March 1821. Bath, England Absolom Yaks born 18 Dec 1817 Yorkshire, Eng Gavin Maxwell Born 14 May 1820 Craigoganttet N. Ireian
Sons of the Utah Pioneers Membership Applications
Beelive

Utah Cemetery Inventory
about Gavin Maxwell
Name: Gavin Maxwell
Gender: M (Male)
Birth Date: 14 May 1820
Death Date: 15 Nov 1894
Cemetery: Lake Point Cemetery
Source: Mary Ann Meiling
Grave Location: 17 E North G Map 3

according to a tree on ancestry marthas maiden name was mcmillan

there where several children

1941William Thompson Maxwell 1855 – 1883
Gavin McMillan Maxwell 1858 – 1858
Isaac Fox Maxwell 1859 – 1946
Margaret McMillan Maxwell 1862 – 1866
Lavina Davie Maxwell 1864 – 1874
Charles Maxwell


martha died in 1907

Utah Death Index, 1905-1951
about Martha McMillan Maxwell
Name: Martha McMillan Maxwell
Death Date: 27 Jan 1907
State File Number: 1907000399
Gender: Female
Age: 77
County of Death: Tooele

Utah Cemetery Inventory
about Martha McMillian Maxwell
Name: Martha McMillian Maxwell
Gender: F (Female)
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1829
Death Date: 27 Jan 1907
Cemetery: Lake Point Cemetery
Source: Mary Ann Meiling
Grave Location: 17 F North G Map 3

1900 United States Federal Census
about Martha M Maxwell
Name: Martha M Maxwell
Home in 1900: Mill, Tooele, Utah
Age: 71
Birth Date: Feb 1829
Birthplace: Ireland
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1872
[1892]
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother: number of living children: 4
Mother: How many children: 9
Marital Status: Widowed
Residence : Grantsville City, Tooele, Utah
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Martha M Maxwell 71

Hello Lorraine,
Many thanks for all the information, I did have some of it already . I am not surprised about not finding the shipping information as I have found it a dead end! I believe the date of immigration is in a family bible. I will check next time I am on the phone to her. It has been a puzzle to the family all over the years as he left his first son William in Glasgow. I will try to find out more about the Gavin Cadden you found in New Jersey, if it is him, his wife must have died earlier. Is the date of death difficult to find in the American records? Maybe he did not end up going to America at all, we might never know. I do appreciate you spending time on all this.
Regards,
TopazGem