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So far they had Ellen 1882
Peter w 1884 Hannah 1876 william H 1888
Lydia 1891 died 1913
Henry 1898.
john 1893 died 1899 Ada 1881 died 1882.

William h married Eliza Jane walton in about 1913 they had William alfred 1913 and john henry 1915.
Eliza had a brother alfred watson born 1887 to Joseph watson born 1833 in Ireland mum ellen born 1861 in liverpool.
With the age difference between joseph walton and ellen i think he was married before
A wedding took place in liverpool between a Joseph Walton and Ellen Slater in 1887 so maybe this was them.
It was very common indeed for people of German origin to change there names,in one of the wars and I think it was 1st one where in London they rounded up about 60,000 male germans and placed them in confinement so they couldn't cause problems.

Maryb

A mystery indeed! Now the fact my nan had NO idea about ther german connection or the change of name. As christines says it sounds like he changed it just before the war. Makes sense...

Know its killing me.. why change it to Hagar?? ? maybe i will never solve this part of the mystery. It has certanly got me obsessed in my history :) so that has got to be good!

christine.. the list you copied me.. is that the same mum and dad? becouse the spelling of the second name is incorret? They did have an ellen but cant find a hannah??... mm the name was johna echeho.

i am wondering echeho...haga mmmmmmmm
thanks again a wealth of knewledge!
liz

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Hannah Eckho Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 30 MAY 1887 St Peter'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: John Eckho Family
Mother: Mary Ellen


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Source Information:
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Ellen Eckho Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 06 OCT 1882

Christening: 18 OCT 1882 St Peter'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: John Eckho Family
Mother: Mary Ellen


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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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C032265

I found it by accident,I noticed all the hagar's born in Liverpool in the search facility and there was a Joan and Janet hagar with the same people in their trees.
I tried to find your thread and in where it says enter keyword at the top of this page i put Hagar and it came up with a thread about john Eckho changing his name to hagar.
So then i went through info on Ancestry and found all the children born to John and his wife Mary Ellen.
Johnan Eckeho married mary ellen Barkley in Liverpool 1880.
I had also been checking war records and saw henry hagar born 1898 Liverpool and William H Hagar born 1888 Liverpool and his mums name was Mary Ellen so put 2 and 2 together .
I'am glad you have contacted some one on here about them.
I must say I love a mystery,especially with a good result like this one.

Take care Mary.

So what is the name change.

If he was of German origin he may have changed it in the lead up to WW1

Come on spill the beans.

hi mary

hahah i have just found the name chage today!!

much to the shock of my nan!! she never realised it had been changed. I have found a lady on here who has the exact name and the change. The fact the line comes from germany.

How did you find this out mary? as before i am finding this out for my nan as she had no idea who she was?? if that makes sense. thanks to all you lovely people on here I have made MASSIVE progreess for my quest to find my grandmothers mother and dad :)

fantastic!

liz

Hi Elizabeth,are you aware of Peter William Hagar's family name change?

Maryb

i am having a rest now :) a bit of wine. In regards to the divorce it was in the same year my nan was 16 so it was 1947 By all accounts it was a nighmare that many years ago becouse you did have to attend court. They went to london I beleive.

also just out of intersted my nan got married at 23/9/1950. My nan tells me she had to go back to court to get permission to marry?? another story for me to add to my tree.. but now a rest and a glass of wine.

thank you again i am so appreciative of your help x
liz

That is lovely Elizabeth.

Keep us posted.


Might there be court records or divorce reords? Iched on find my past for the divorce but nothing as yet,

I just wanted to share with you. spoke to my nan and she said both percy and josiphine died before the children. The children were taken into care and yes it was a boy john?? and the girl no idea. She remembers trying to get the children to live with her and her dad but during those times it was frowd upom. My nan had to get a court permission to stay with her dad and her dad felt that fighting for the two kids could have put her placement with her dad in danger.

my nan was very sad they had to go to an ophanage and to read they MAY still be alive is a real suprise to her.. so thank you again its made my nan very happy 2night. she did tell me the orphanage they want too was ashbey homes it was a little lane of gammons lane in north watford.
tthank you again!
liz
p.s going to get a month on annestry,, at least it save me time!

Thats great liz,if you get stuck come back on, and we'll try and help you.

Maryb

There is a tree on Ancestry with this family.
Minnie Chew 1882 Buckinghamshire parents George Chew 1849-1890 Bedfordshire and Alice simmons 1854.
Evelyn/Edna had a sister josephine Muriel Minnie 1917-1939 ahe married Alfred percy miles 1914-1961 and they had 1 male and 1female still living.


Horray!!!!!!! I have just rung my nan.. yes she was in bed at 9.50 :) and I asked if jo ( josphine) married a alfred!! and she confirmed he did!! whey hey,, they called him uncle alf... wow,... my nan is chuffed to bits 2night, Thank you so so much :)))

now i can research the bits myself,, but thanks to everyone for getting the gaps,, its a mindfield for me as a newbie :)

again liz

See if you can find 14 days free access to www ancestry.co.uk.

Maryb

1891

Address: 5, Meeting Alley, Watford
ROBINETT, James Head Married M 29 1862 Horse Driver
Plumstead
Kent VIEW
ROBINETT, Eliza Wife Married F 30 1861
East Brent
Somersetshire VIEW
ROBINETT, James E Son Single M 6 1885 Scholar
Watford
Hertfordshire

1901

Address: 37, Sutton Road, Watford Urban
ROBINETT, James Head Married M 38 1863 Blacksmith's Labourer
Woolwich
London VIEW
ROBINETT, Eliza Wife Married F 40 1861
E Brent
Somersetshire VIEW
ROBINETT, James Son Single M 16 1885 Wood Turner
Watford
Hertfordshire VIEW
ALDRIDGE, Barney Boarder Single M 23 1878 Farrier
Denton
Norfolk

ok.. this ansetry site? how do i access it??? the link on here about the tree sounds positive and would link to my family as jo was the sister... can i just search a tree or do i pay for a month at £7??

now peter. He was in the army and he was a regimental sargent major in the 2nd brittaliat of the Loyal north lancs regiment! thats my my nans husband has told me... ( they got his medals and want to give them to a musuem but thats a whole new search!)

i am reading all this and finding it brilliant.. i know a few red herrings but my nan will be so chuffed!

agian liz

There is a tree on Ancestry with this family.
Minnie Chew 1882 Buckinghamshire parents George Chew 1849-1890 Bedfordshire and Alice simmons 1854.
Evelyn/Edna had a sister josephine Muriel Minnie 1917-1939 ahe married Alfred percy miles 1914-1961 and they had 1 male and 1female still living.

Maryb

Now back to Peter if he was in the army in about 1914 means is was a bit older that Edna, still can't find anything ,only a war record for 1914 no 7217 if it is the same one he was a sargeant and looks like Pof W.

Maryb

oooooooooo now this is interstig,, i will have a look.. yes its all a load of information and i do apreciate it,, or i should say my nan :)

thank you!

possible

Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)
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Chew William Luton 3b 1004
Cleaver Mary Ellen Luton 3b 1004
Pitkin Thomas Luton 3b 1004
Robinson Minnie Luton 3b 1004