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sorry rose.. i got confused!

thanks for the list very good. I have just got my 14 days free on annestry very good serch stuff.

It does look like ada was born out of wedlock, if she was born in 1879 and they married in 1880. I am interested now to find out what happned in manchester. will have to wait for when i get from work!

thanks again for the searchin I do appreciate it!

liz

This from IGI is interesting:

Ada Barclay

Event(s):
Birth: 03 MAR 1879

Christening: 21 OCT 1879 St Peter'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Father: Frank Barclay
Mother: Mary Ellen

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C027828

Can't find them on a census. I wonder if it means Mary Ellen was married before or she listed Frank as the father for the baptism.

Rose

thanks rose :) that is interesting.. i am just in for lunch from work.. so will take another look at who frank is?? not her dad?? mmmmmmmm the plot is thickening!

just been trying to do a bit more research on mary ellen barkley. I found a birth and a death in 1877 of a David william Barkley and the mother was Mary ellen. I cant find a link to frank as gr dont give this information and annestry want to charge more just to view the record?? expensive business this research. anyone get a result for this one??

looks like the baby died the same year and was born in west derby lancashire.. red herrin?? i am starting to think was mary ellen barkley married before?? and was that realy her married name.. could mean my tree is a bit wrong with her family!!

mmmmm
again liz

I did find a Frank but he was born 1863 and only one to be found on 1891/1901 census with same birth year and unmarried.
If she had married a Frank i can't find it or a death for frank.
I also tried francis but no luck.
Looks like either Ada's birth or marriage for mary Ellen might throw a bit of light on the matter.

Maryb

doing a bit more research on ada.. born 1879 as a ada barkley when she died in 1882 she was a ada Eckho at age 3. no sign of the haga name change?

Would it be worth getting her birth and death certificate? will it tell me her mum and dad? were did frank barkley come from?? any ideas??


any ideas? this all happened before her marriage in 1880 to john eckho. ada was also born in manchester and all the other sibblings were in liverpool??

mmmmm going to think about this over putting the kids to bed i think!
liz

1871
BARKLEY, Thomas Head M 50 1821 Denbighshire VIEW
BARKLEY, Sarah Wife F 48 1823 Cheshire VIEW
BARKLEY, George Son M 16 1855 Lancashire VIEW
BARKLEY, Thomas Son M 10 1861 Lancashire VIEW
BARKLEY, Mary J Daughter F 9 1862 Lancashire VIEW
BARKLEY, Frank Son M 7 1864 Lancashire VIEW
BARKLEY, Margaret A Daughter F 4 1867 Lancashire


not a common name so possible

That is the Frank i found but he didnt marry at least up to 1901.

Maryb
Unless as he would have only been about 15/16 at the time of ada's birth it might not have been allowed.
I would get Ada's birth certificate.

worth a look

Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)
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Bromley Mary Ellen Ashton 8d 977
Buckley Frank Ashton 8d 977
France Joseph Ashton 8d 977
Roberts Mary Ashton 8d 977

1891 census.... mmmmmmm maybe they never married???

Name: Frank Barkley
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Church
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby (Rural)
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Emily Stokes 39
Julia Sergeantson 47
Sophie H Stokes 28
Caroline Barnfield 33
Margaret A Laycock 28
Mary E Hanmer 30
Mary Jane Davies 29
Emma Fairfield 19
Frank Barkley 27

but then why her name barkley.. mmm parking this,, try and get thecertificates!

I don't think Mary Ellen married Frank. Barkley looks to be her maiden name because I can see her on census records and her siblings' and parents' names match those of her own children.

It could be the vicar allowed her to add the first name of the father for Ada's baptism.

Rose

1861 England Census
about Mary E Barkley
Name: Mary E Barkley
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 126
Household Members: Name Age
William Barkley 39
Ellen Barkley 40
Mary E Barkley 9
Lydia A Barkley 2


Rose

i agree i dont think they married,,, but i have found another mary e
Name: Mary E Barkley
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Timothy
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 203
Household Members: Name Age
George Barkley 45
Ellen Barkley 47
Mary E Barkley 21
Fanny Barkley 12
Hannah Barkley 5


mmm I dont know whch one it is..unless i know who marriage certificate?
mmmmmmmm this search is getting crazy!! the names i have for her mum and dad are george and ellen but not varified by me. I am trying to contact the tree owner to confirm mwwhy george and not william..mmmmmmm argggggggg more wine¬!!!!

thanks again liz

hello all
well i have had some very interesting news from the lady who is related to me who is doing the same tree. she does have the marriage certificate!
""""I HAVE A COPY OF JOHAN ECKEHO AND MARY ELLEN BARKLEY WEDDING CERTIFICATE... hE WAS A LABOURER IN THE LOCAL SUGAR FACTORY CALLED FAIRIES IN THOSE DAYS BUT LATER BECAME TATE ANDLYLE HIS FATHER WAS CALLED PETER HE ALSO IS DOWN AS A LABOURER AND MOST LIKELY WORKED IN THE SUGAR FACTORY ALSO. HER FATHER WAS WILLIAM AND WAS A MARINER. THEY WERE MARRIED ON 8TH jUNE 1880 AT LIVERPOOL PARISH CHURCH. HE WAS 38 AND SHE WAS 26 HOPE THAT HELPS"""

So at least we do know some key facts now..... I go and check my tree is right!

again liz

Does it state that Mary Ellen was a spinster.

Maryb

William in the 1861 census I posted is a seaman mechant service, so that sounds like the one. What about the witnesses?

Rose

Yes I think William and Ellen are correct.
They also had son william @ 1862.

Maryb

thanks rose and mary. i will ask the lady about the witness and if mary ellen was a spinster. I think william is right becouse it may link in how she met he husband?? a link or another red herrin!

i will be back. its sunny here and i have a day off so going to the beach :)

thanks again liz

How exciting.

I was wondering about a sugar connection as there were several other sugar bakers fom Germany on the same street. Now I will have to go back and find them. And I looked on the sugar bakers site.

I am at work now so will have to wait.

back from the beach,, and looking at the suger connection for all the echko?family john/peter

http://www.mawer.clara.net/sugaree.html

very intersting site!

again liz