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Susan..

There are only 1 Charles (I used the wild card to see what brings up).

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Charles John Gills
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 3 May 1852
Father's Name: Laurence Gills
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gills
Parish: Saint John The Evangelist, Charlotte Street
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Another one is identical to the one above except it was in St Pancras Parish Church.

Any idea who were his parents?

Hi T in Middlesex

I am desperatly searching for my Grandfather George Alfred White Who was born, I am led to believe by family sources, in Canada c1878. He came over to Britiain during the WW1 supplying horses for the army. I believe he travelled backwards and forwards several times during the war. He married my grandmother Caroline ORourke in Camberwell in 1817 and settled in England after the war dying in 1929. He was '39' on his marriage certificate, his occupation was ' Porter' . His father's name was recorded as George Alfred White 'foreman'. If you could find him travelling backwards and forwards to Britain I would at least have an idea of what area in Canada to research as far as census' are concerned.

Thanks in anticipation of any help you can give me

Regards Linda

Hello T,

Regarding actual burial information, how complete are the records on ancestry?

You helped me several months ago regarding Stedman Green returning to the UK in 1883...........I have found out a bit more regarding his life and now have reason to believe after his going to Canada in 1870 and appearing on the 1871 Canada census he came back to the UK pre 1878 and married 1879. Can you tell me is there any records for incoming UK before 1878 and outgoing between 1880/1883 Can/USA

Hope this does not sound too confusing, getting tired now and a bit bleary eyed! lol

Kindest regards
Ann North Wales

Sorry Susan, nothing there for him so he may not have been baptised ?

Hi Linda,

The Whites are very common to search and as for the passengers list, they dont often put inital or middle name, so there are many George Whites b c1878 I'm afraid. If only you knew who was George's mother was I'd of looked for him.

T

Hi Ann,

How can I forget Stedman as that name stuck out like anything :oD

I'm afraid Ancestry only covers from 1878 to 1960 for UK bound

As for Canada, I couldnt find anything of him in the list..

This are the only one in US list

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Stedman Green
Arrival Date: 18 Oct 1883
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination: New York
Place of Origin: England
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Persian Monarch
Search Ship Database: Search the Persian Monarch in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 18
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_471
List Number: 1331
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

As for burial, nothing of Stedman/Steadman only his marriage and baptism of his son.

Sorry

^ nudge :o)

Hi Susan,

Had a look for deaths after 1984, nothing .. As for before 1984 it'll be difficult as Ancestry havent transcribed 1916-1983 yet and the only avilable is going through page by pages.

Sorry,

T

Hi Debra..

Sorry but Canadian Census only go upto 1911 for all Canada and to 1916 for Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta

RE: Stedman!

I thought I posted a reply to you, my apologies I must have not pressed the button............blimey T the info I received from you as above months ago, someone came on thread and said that was him leaving USA! I never questioned them.........this record shows him entering USA (I am correct am I not?)

This throws a different light on everything.......there was a daughter born Uk to Stedman ,Daisy Green baptised 1885 along with her brother Frederick.....looks like he may have been a bit of a cad like his father. May be in touch to pick your brains later!!

Thanks T
Annx

Ann,

Yes that's him leaving UK for US .. On the image it said that he was carrying 1 luggage.

Hi T,

Re: Stedman

Was the marital status question not asked? The baptism for his children did not give a birth date...I know Frederick was 1880 from census info. On the 1881 census Uk its Just Frederick and his mum, no Stedman appears on census for whatever reason, by 1891 his wife is declaring she is a widow living with Frederick..........I think Daisy may have died, if she was Stedmans that narrows her birth 1881/83 oh what a tangled web!
I bet if the 1890 USA census was complete we may have found him.

Annx

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name: Ada Rabbitt
Gender: Female
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Date of Arrival: 26 May 1911
Vessel: Corsican
Search Ship Database: View the 'Corsican' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4776

Not sure if it's her.. Stated that she's joining her husband and going to Hamilton, Ont

Just cannot find John or Ada elsewhere so far..Sorry

Ann..

Rechecked the image for marital status - this one doesnt ask for any status to anyone.

As for his wife declaring herself as widowed 2 things.. It might be true that he died between 1883 & 1891 or once the wife or husband doesnt hear or seen the spouse for 7 years then they can legally remarry (unless Stedman married someone during it!).

You're right if only 1890 survived then we might've spotted Stedman either hiding or visiting or god knows what he was doing!

Seeing that Stedman went to Quebec in 1870.. I'm going to see if he's in any Quebec's BMD records as they normally only display surname in the transciption bit whereas it's full name in the image, so will check 10 years each side from 1891

Thank you for your help T...........I am sitting here thinking what man goes across the Atlantic leaving his wife and 2 young children, maybe he never came back and she gave up on him, to save face calling herself a widow. I have just been jigging on the 1911.........looks like Stedmans wife Isabella and her son Frederick are living together.

Annx

Nopes.. Not in Quebec, so that's out of the window!!

Just had a horrible thought.. What if Stedman changed his name to avoid being found? :oS

Yes thats what I was thinking as well, there are several brothers and some I am unable to identify after 1861, is there anything on the following:

Alfred Green 1840 Middlesex
Percy Green 1841 Middlesex
Walter Green 1845 Middlesex

Annx

Good grief his brothers are missing too?! What is it with the Greens?? (I hate the colour too!) I have Greens in my family and my ex's surname is Green and his tree is a murder to do! (all from London/Middx too oops).

Anyway, will go and look for them .. Watch this space

Well T we may be distant cousins!! Two of the brothers I can follow to the end, as you know Stedman is a mystery after his marriage, Alfred and Walter I have in the 1861 and then no trace, Percy I have on the 1851 and then not on 61 and no death.

Annx