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Francis Donley born 1884 Sheffiled

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Simon Report 9 Nov 2009 18:52

Hi Ginny.


Remember John Rochford in this thread married Frances Donley, well later on around 1905/6 ish he worked at The Thomas Ward firm in Sheffield and lived in one of the company houses.

So John Rochford worked with his wifes brother John Donley maybe!.

Thank you Ginny, this is really good stuff.



Simon Report 10 Nov 2009 10:45

Good morning.

As you can see i have this thread going on Frances Donley / John Rochford.

I want to also find out about boar war info on John Rochford and ww1 info on John Donley.

Question is do i start a new thread on this subject or keep it within this thread.

I do not want to undermind the VERY HARD WORK everyone has done Dea, Moureen, Ginny and Barbara, on this thread for me as they are working so hard on my behalf.

Thank you Simon Holland.


Simon Report 10 Nov 2009 19:01


Just to say don't worry about John Rochford and John Donley's war records.

I have them.



Simon Report 11 Nov 2009 08:12

Just to update you all, i have been in contact with Eda Whittakers Great Grand Daughter, she has no info on Eda and could not find, she is waiting as we are for the cert's to come.

Also i have had contact from William Reids family and they are all waiting!

The pressure is on me now.

Dea, Ginny, Barbara, Maureen hope you are well, speak soon Simon.


Gins Report 11 Nov 2009 08:22

I have to say I admire your determination! Hold on, the certs will be here soon!



MaureeninNY Report 11 Nov 2009 13:44

How many people are holding their breath with you now,Simon?!



Simon Report 11 Nov 2009 13:51

Hi Maureen.

I know it's not good for my health!!

The more i think about it, i am not yet sure if this is the correct relation, my head is spinning, i am not sure when the cert's will arrive.

I am trying to look at other relations in my tree but keeping comming back to this.

Regards Simon.


June Report 11 Nov 2009 13:59

awww Maureen not speaking to that Simon he forgot me sob sob lol

June x


Simon Report 11 Nov 2009 14:15

Oh June!

Is that not the start of a song!

So so so sorry, i get mixed up with all the names on this thread, i think i have started something thats gone mad!

Sorry, don't tell the rest! i will put an extra choc in your box.

S x


Simon Report 13 Nov 2009 12:58

OK, i have recieved the Marriage cert of William Joseph Reid and Edith Whittaker. In Sheffield sept 18 1892, both 21 years of age.

Fathers name, Whittaker Thorpe Whittaker.

And wait for it, in the Presence of Sarah Donley.

Ok ladies what do you think. i ahve not yet got the birth cert.



MaureeninNY Report 13 Nov 2009 13:19

What do I think? I think I'm going to cry!!!!!!

Have to go and do some housework (any excuse to get out of this tangled web) ,but I'll be back.

Hang in there,Simon. Sigh.



Simon Report 13 Nov 2009 13:44

I think this is fab news because as near as it could be without yet seeing Eda's birth certs it ties Eda W ? Sarah Donley nee Lord and France Donley together, just hope that edith W mothers maiden name is Sarah Lord.

I am over the moon, but like Maureen is feeling, i need to tie Sarah Lord to Whittaker Thorpe Whittaker and then them splitting up and Sarah marries John Donley.

Oh n Help!!!!!


MaureeninNY Report 13 Nov 2009 14:19

I have no doubt that Sarah is Eda's mother. It's just that she (Sarah) never seems to marry any of these chaps,so it's difficult to tell which Sarah LORD (or whoever) she really is.

Just as an aside-who knew there were so many Whittaker WHITTAKERs........



Simon Report 13 Nov 2009 14:23

I agree Maureen, the nearest we have come is her living with John Donley and Cad(Eda) in Manchester he was a tailor as he was when Frances got married.

No Marriages can't work it out!

Whittaker Whittaker never heard it till last week, and thorpe thrown in!

I will keep on the trail.



Dea Report 13 Nov 2009 14:28

Wow Simon - Great news - it is looking very good now.

I have lost track a little though so I am going back through all of the thread to try to 'sort it' in my head again.

We are 'almost' there!

In the meantime can you post ALL the details from that marriage cert please - date, addresses, ages, fathers, occupations etc and any other witnesses - just so we have it all together to follow through.


Dea x


Simon Report 13 Nov 2009 14:41

Hi Dea,

Thank you for lifting my spirits, i feel this is good news, as requested i have put as much as i can below.

1892 Marriage solemnized at The parish in the parish of Neepsend in the county of Sheffield.

When: Sept 18th 1892.
Name and Surname: William Joseph Reid / Edith Whittaker.
Age: Both 21 years old.
Condition: Bachelor / Spinster.
Rank: Carter.
Residence: William, 7 Court,Oborn Street? / Edith, Spencer St.
Fathers Name and Surname.: James Reid / Whittaker Thorpe Whittaker.
Rank or Profession of Father. Stoc Ringer / Engineer.
Married in the: Parish Church.
This marriage is solomnized between us: William Joseph Reid / Edith Reid x her mark.
In th Prsence of us: William Wallis / Sarah Donley x her mark.

I hope this helps.

Simon xx


Simon Report 13 Nov 2009 17:19

Hi All,

Spent another 3 hours trying to match a Sarah to a Whittaker and a Sarah to a Donley, and i have found nothing at all, i am not sure which direction to go in now.

Speak soon Simon.


June Report 13 Nov 2009 18:44

Hi Simon,

I think you should wait for the birth cert incase Sarah was married before and Lord is not her maiden name.

June x


Simon Report 14 Nov 2009 10:46

Well it's arrived.

Eda's birth certified.

Name if any: Eda
When and where: 17th April 1874, 1. Court Chadderton Road.
Name and Surname of Father: Whittaker Thorpe Wittaker.
Name,Surname and Maiden name of Mother:Sarah Whittaker, formerly Lord.
Occupation of Father: Iron Turner.

I think this all fits, i am sure on one of my search's i saw WTW as iron turner, i can't find it now.



Simon Report 14 Nov 2009 11:26

Just looking at the census for 1871.

WTW was aged 35 years old, living with Betty wife and children also others at the address.

I am sure i did see a marriage for Elizabeth (Betty) Lord to a Whittaker, i wonder if WTW had a fling with his wifes sister Sarah !! just a thought.

I have also noticed next door are a Lord family but no SArah, Sarah would have been about 20 years old then.

Does this help!