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John Farrell / Emma Wylie

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Peter

Peter Report 31 May 2011 00:26

Hi Janey , I got very lucky with a find in the 1911 census . I found a daughter of Michael's under her married name of French and low and behold , not only was my grandfather ( her brother) living with her , but also Michael himself and he was stated as Irish from Armagh .
I know now that michael's father Peter was married to Alice and I am almost certain I have the Griffiths valuation listing correct , but would love absolute proof .
Am I still a noob ?
Pete

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 31 May 2011 00:01

Peter -- I neglected to congratulate you last year on the marriage find. ;)

So Michael is your gr-grf - ?

You got his father's name from the marriage certificate ... if you tell us, we might be able to help hunt.

I have no clue about the Griffiths valuations myself, but I doubt they include household composition info.

We might be able to find a baptism with the father's name, though.

Can you say what made you choose Armagh as the place of origin?

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 30 May 2011 23:34

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Peter

Peter Report 30 May 2011 22:03

Having found what I believe to be my gt gt grandfather in the Griffiths valuation ( i.e Farrell family Armagh ) is there any way of finding who was actually living in the household ?
regards Pete

EVEIE

EVEIE Report 2 Mar 2010 23:01

mine are a farrell fam maybe a connection grandads sister from livepool married farrell family

Peter

Peter Report 2 Mar 2010 22:01

I am happy to inform all you kind people that I have finally found the marriage of Michael and Margaret . The difficulty has arisen due to a spelling mistake on the name Farrell , it shows up as having only one ' l ' on the document .
They were indeed married over here in Chorley .
Now for the next generation ! ! !

Peter

Peter Report 23 Nov 2009 17:59

I take it I should put Michael's or Margaret's name in first , then the other and check for the corresponding info .

mgnv

mgnv Report 18 Nov 2009 19:52

For the GRO(I) index of statutory BMD regos 1845-1958 (pre 1864, just non-RC marrs, and post 1922, only Republic of Ireland), go to the search records - record search pilot in the blue bar on the IGI search page, and "Browse our record collection"

Incidentally, both parties don't have to live in the same parish for a marr by banns, but if they're in different parishes, then they'ld have to pay to have banns read in both parishes.

Peter

Peter Report 18 Nov 2009 15:31

Hi all , I have now found the maiden name for Margaret Farrell ( married to Michael Farrell ) by obtaining the birth certificate of their daughter Esther .
It would appear that her maiden name was Williams . Which scuppers my theory that they would have been married over here , because I can find no record of a marriage between Michael Farrell and Margaret Williams , between the years 1871 ( census shows Michael as single ) and 1874 ( census for 1881 shows Alice was born 1874 ) .
From this info it would seem that they were therefore married in Ireland , were census shows they both come from . Can anyone suggest where to start for info on a marriage in Ireland please ?

Peter

Peter Report 5 Nov 2009 19:52

You are indeed a star ! !

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 5 Nov 2009 19:45

It is indeed. ;)

Go here:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=118645

Ask May Blossom whether she can find anything for you -- *IF* your Farrells were from N Ireland, you just might be in luck.

You want births for brothers

Michael Farrell c1840
Stephen Farrell c1842
Peter Farrell c1845

-- going by the ages in 1871 which I would take to be most likely the most accurate.

And marriages for

Michael Farrell 1871-1873 ish
Stephen Farrell 1860-1871ish
Peter Farrell 1871-1881 ish

You never know!

Peter

Peter Report 5 Nov 2009 19:05

Is noob refering to me being a newbie ? ? ?

Peter

Peter Report 5 Nov 2009 19:02

just had a quick look on freebmd , my money is on Margaret Gallagher Bolton june 1873 . But will check and double check .

( IF YOU KNEW MY FAMILY YOU WOULD KNOW WHY , EVER WATCHED SHAMELESS THE GALLAGHER FAMILY )
Only kidding , thank you so much for your time and effort
Pete
if you live nearby, I will buy you a drink ....

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 5 Nov 2009 18:38

Well that might be overstating the case a tad. ;)

Now off you go and find my grxsomething grandfather Hugh Morrison, born in 17-something, in "Ireland". My one Irish ancestor (and of course his ancestors), and I'm very sure I'm going to leave him for future generations to worry about!


Oops, I keep slipping behind.

International Genealogy Index.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/search_igi.asp

Noob.

Peter

Peter Report 5 Nov 2009 18:28

sorry , but what is IGI ?

Peter

Peter Report 5 Nov 2009 18:27

So if Michael was unwed , he could either have gone back to Ireland to marry or the easier , cheaper option would have been to send for Margaret.
In which case there is a good chance the marriage will be registered here . I am getting very excited . This is far too addictive .
Many thanks yet again . I will go in search of a birth certificate .

Peter

Peter Report 5 Nov 2009 18:11

OMG YOU ARE UNBELIEVABLE .

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 5 Nov 2009 18:07

Aha. I was interested in Stephen because the name is better for searching.


1871

Patrick Odare 40
Ann Odare 40
John Odare 20
Patrick Bradley 12
John Bradley 14
Mary A Bradley 10
Patrick Burk 25
Christopher Pepper 27
> Michael Farrell 30 - unmarried
> Stephen Farrell 28 - married
> Peter Farrell 25 - unmarried

Civil parish: Charnock Heath
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Chorley


All boarders, all labourers, water works, all born Ireland.

Peter

Peter Report 5 Nov 2009 18:06

It's weird that there are such discrepancies between the 3 census , it's the first time I have encountered it . But I suppose it,s down to the person doing the form filling etc . I have had problems with things like Hannah and Anna though .

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 5 Nov 2009 18:04

Oops, I didn't follow it far enough - didn't look at the brothers' marital status in 1881!

So yes, it does look like they all likely married in Ireland, indeed.

I wonder whether the brothers show up in later censuses with wives, i.e. names that might help identify their marriages in the IGI, e.g.

Or whether any of them once gives anything better than "Ireland" as place of birth!