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OMG YOU ARE UNBELIEVABLE .

So if Michael was unwed , he could either have gone back to Ireland to marry or the easier , cheaper option would have been to send for Margaret.
In which case there is a good chance the marriage will be registered here . I am getting very excited . This is far too addictive .
Many thanks yet again . I will go in search of a birth certificate .

sorry , but what is IGI ?

Well that might be overstating the case a tad. ;)

Now off you go and find my grxsomething grandfather Hugh Morrison, born in 17-something, in "Ireland". My one Irish ancestor (and of course his ancestors), and I'm very sure I'm going to leave him for future generations to worry about!


Oops, I keep slipping behind.

International Genealogy Index.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/search_igi.asp

Noob.

just had a quick look on freebmd , my money is on Margaret Gallagher Bolton june 1873 . But will check and double check .

( IF YOU KNEW MY FAMILY YOU WOULD KNOW WHY , EVER WATCHED SHAMELESS THE GALLAGHER FAMILY )
Only kidding , thank you so much for your time and effort
Pete
if you live nearby, I will buy you a drink ....

Is noob refering to me being a newbie ? ? ?

It is indeed. ;)

Go here:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=118645

Ask May Blossom whether she can find anything for you -- *IF* your Farrells were from N Ireland, you just might be in luck.

You want births for brothers

Michael Farrell c1840
Stephen Farrell c1842
Peter Farrell c1845

-- going by the ages in 1871 which I would take to be most likely the most accurate.

And marriages for

Michael Farrell 1871-1873 ish
Stephen Farrell 1860-1871ish
Peter Farrell 1871-1881 ish

You never know!

You are indeed a star ! !

Hi all , I have now found the maiden name for Margaret Farrell ( married to Michael Farrell ) by obtaining the birth certificate of their daughter Esther .
It would appear that her maiden name was Williams . Which scuppers my theory that they would have been married over here , because I can find no record of a marriage between Michael Farrell and Margaret Williams , between the years 1871 ( census shows Michael as single ) and 1874 ( census for 1881 shows Alice was born 1874 ) .
From this info it would seem that they were therefore married in Ireland , were census shows they both come from . Can anyone suggest where to start for info on a marriage in Ireland please ?

For the GRO(I) index of statutory BMD regos 1845-1958 (pre 1864, just non-RC marrs, and post 1922, only Republic of Ireland), go to the search records - record search pilot in the blue bar on the IGI search page, and "Browse our record collection"

Incidentally, both parties don't have to live in the same parish for a marr by banns, but if they're in different parishes, then they'ld have to pay to have banns read in both parishes.

I take it I should put Michael's or Margaret's name in first , then the other and check for the corresponding info .

I am happy to inform all you kind people that I have finally found the marriage of Michael and Margaret . The difficulty has arisen due to a spelling mistake on the name Farrell , it shows up as having only one ' l ' on the document .
They were indeed married over here in Chorley .
Now for the next generation ! ! !

mine are a farrell fam maybe a connection grandads sister from livepool married farrell family

Having found what I believe to be my gt gt grandfather in the Griffiths valuation ( i.e Farrell family Armagh ) is there any way of finding who was actually living in the household ?
regards Pete

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Peter -- I neglected to congratulate you last year on the marriage find. ;)

So Michael is your gr-grf - ?

You got his father's name from the marriage certificate ... if you tell us, we might be able to help hunt.

I have no clue about the Griffiths valuations myself, but I doubt they include household composition info.

We might be able to find a baptism with the father's name, though.

Can you say what made you choose Armagh as the place of origin?

Hi Janey , I got very lucky with a find in the 1911 census . I found a daughter of Michael's under her married name of French and low and behold , not only was my grandfather ( her brother) living with her , but also Michael himself and he was stated as Irish from Armagh .
I know now that michael's father Peter was married to Alice and I am almost certain I have the Griffiths valuation listing correct , but would love absolute proof .
Am I still a noob ?
Pete

Ah, excellent, the names tie up. Michael had a brother Peter and a daughter Alice.

For 34 posts, you're sounding like an old hand. ;)

There are some Peter Farrell deaths in Armagh at

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html

1840-1906
1817-1897
1825-1900
1818-1889

Only the certificates might tell something, and even they might not.

There's one Alice Farrell death:

Name: Alice Farrell
Registration District: Newry
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1888
Estimated Birth Year: 1818
Age (at Death): 70
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101594
Volume Number: 1
Page Number: 680
Digital Folder Number: 4200676
Image Number: 00292
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958

Could be worth considering.

The three brothers were all born before civil registration started.

You don't make it easy ...

Just in case anybody else is interested, is this Michael Farrell in 1911?

FRENCH MICHAEL 1837 74 West Derby Lancashire

Born Armagh, living with Margaret (Farrell) and Joshua French and John Farrell.

Same Michael Farrell or different?????
Had a look on Irish Nationalarchives.ie
1901 House 30,Carrickbroad,
Farrell Michael (head) age 39years R.C. County Armagh. Sailor.
Farrell Catherine wife age 35 years R.C. County Armagh
Farrell Mary B. Daughter (no age on image) R.C. England Bootle
Farrell John Son age 10 years R.C. Liverpool
Farrell James Son age 9 years R.C. Liverpool
Farrell Katey Daughter aged 7 years R.C. Liverpool.
Farrell Rose A. Daughter Aged 5 years R.C. County Armagh.
Farrell Michael F. Son (no age on image) R.C. County Armagh.
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Living next door
House 29 Carrickbroad, Jonesborough,
Farrell Mary (head) age 50 years. Farmers wife.
Farrell Mary A. Daughter age 17 years Single.
Farrell John Son. age 12 years. Single.

1911 Census House 64, Carrickbroad.
John (aged 24 years) is Head of household living with his sister Mary Alice Mulholland (Married) and their niece Mary B. Hart.
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Living House 74 Carrickbroad,
Farrell Kate (Head) aged 36 years R.C. County Armagh. Farmers Wife Married.
Farrell Mary Daughter aged 14 years County Armagh
Farrell Sarah Daughter aged 11 years " ""
Farrell Brigid Daughter aged 9 years
Farrell Michael .Son aged 5 years.
Farrell Patrick Son. aged 3 years.
Farrell Owen Son. aged 0 years.

1911 Census Owen (Kates Husband) is back home. Living House Number 88, Carrickbroad. They are Married 27 years. Children born 9. Children still living 7.Niece Sarah aged 8 years visiting in 1911.
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House 32, Carrickbroad,
Farrell James (Head) aged 80 years County Armagh Farmer.
Farrell Anne Wife aged 70 years County Armagh
Farrell John Son aged 40 years " "
Farrell Elizabeth (D-I-L) Aged 39 years.
Farrell James Grandson aged 15 years.
Farrell Hugh " aged 11 years.
Farrell Patrick " aged 9 years.
Farrell Minnie Grandaughter aged 7 years.
Farrell Maggie " aged 3 years.
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House 24 Carrickbroad,
Farrell Rose (Head) aged 65 years County Armagh Farmer Single.
Lennon Susan Sister aged 67 years. " " Widow.
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All houses are in
County Armagh.
D.E.D. Jonesborough.
Barony Orior Upper.
Parish Killevy.
Townland Carrickbroad.
Division Armagh.
So assuming that they are all related, also
1901 Census
Barony Orior Upper, Townland T?raughill Otra,
House Number 60, Faughil Otra, Jonesborough.
Farrell Peter (Head) aged 50 years. County. Armagh. Farmer.
Farrell Rose wife aged 48 years, " ""
Farrell Alice Daughter aged 26 years. Single.
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