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Chuck

Chuck Report 22 May 2013 22:01

My grandfather was Edward Charles Hartleib and he married Jeanie Graham. They had six children, born in this ordeer: Charles, George, Raymond, Catherine (my mother), and twins Alva (Bud) and Alma.
Jeanie and Edward Charles Hartleib lived in Windsor, Ontario for many years, then moved to Hemet California to be with their daughter Alma and her husband Art Brook. They both died in Hemet, California but were brought back to Windsor for burial.
I remember that my grandmother, Jeanie Graham Hartleib died in December, 1970 while my grandfather, Edward Charles, died much earlier, I believe around 1963 as I was still very young when the call came from California.
My mother, Catherine Graham Hartleib, married my father, Alfred Emile Henri in Windsor, Ontario and then moved to Tecumseh, Ontario. They had two children, Jeanie Catherine born August 14, 1945 and me, Charles Alfred Henri, born May 29, 1955.
My mother died on April 27, 1970 and my father died on October 1, 1978.
As I was growing up in Tecumseh, Ontario I lived next door to my Uncle Bud (Alva) and Aunt Maxine. I left Tecumseh in August, 1978 to pursue a career in teaching.
My sister lives in Belle River, ON.
Uncle Bud and Aunt Maxine had five children, oldest to youngest: Tom, Don, Doug, Betty and Dave. Aunt Maxine just passed away in February, 2013.
I am not good with dates, but I hope this helps.

mgnv

mgnv Report 2 Apr 2013 13:17

Thelma - thanks for the update. I guess you'll have to wait until January now, as that's when the 1921 Ontario census gets released.

I know you said you've solved the Hartleibs, so I guess you have the stuff below, but...

Spelling corrections:
Tavistock is in East Zorra Twp, Oxford Co [Zorra, not Zurra]
Zurich is in Hay Twp, Huron Co [Zurich, not Zurick]
These are both the modern spellings and the 1880s spellings - for the latter check:
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/Countyatlas/SearchMapframes.php

Re "Riverside Hemet, California"
This just looks wrong - Hemet is abt 50km SE of Riverside, but still in Riverside County.
I think you need to specify the county - although I lived in CA for 5y and have some familiarity with Riverside co, I'd not heard of it (but I had heard of its neighbour, San Jacinto, just 5km to NE). I would write it as Hemet, Riverside Co, California.

Re "Wallace TWP Wellington City, Ontario, Canada"
This just looks wrong - the normal form is AAA township, BBB county, Ontario, Canada.
However, this raises another problem - Wallace Twp is in Perth Co, not Wellington Co, although 50% of Wallace Twp is adjacent to Wellingon Co - Minto Twp on the E end of the N edge, and Maryborough Twp on the SE edge.

http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/Countyatlas/images/maps/townshipmaps/per-m-Wallace.jpg

There is one Graham h/h in Wallace Twp - all Ontario born:
1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Perth North / 32 Wallace / page 2
25 17 Graham Joseph M Head M Apr 1858 53 1901
26 17 Graham Emline F Wife M May 1858 53 1901
27 17 Graham Louise F Daughter S Apr 1890 21 1901
28 17 Graham Norman M Son S Mar 1892 19 1901
29 17 Graham Sidney M Son S Jan 1894 17 1901

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002012873.pdf
[addy=12&11 - 11, i.e., Lots 12&11, Concession 11 (=XI for map, and listed as Sam Leslie & Matt/Henry Burns on map
since a full 100acre lot was 20 x 50 chains - 80chms=1mile, the N corner of Lot 12 Con 11 was just 60 chns from Minto Twp, Wellington Co )]


1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Huron South / 8 Hay / page 10
28 105 Hartleib Jacob M Head M Sep 1853 57
29 105 Hartleib Christine F Wife M Dec 1865 45
30 105 Hartleib Ema F Daughter S Jun 1893 18
31 105 Hartleib Oscar M Son S Nov 1990 10
32 105 Hartleib Ethel F Daughter S Apr 1909 2
33 105 Hartleib Magdeline F G. Mother S Apr 1829 82

12 101 Hartleib Jonas M Head M Jan 1857 54
13 101 Hartleib Marey F Wife M Feb 1855 56
14 101 Hartleib Aldo I F Daughter S Jun 1892 18

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001994242.pdf


1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON HURON (South/Sud) (#74)
Subdistrict: Hay B-6 Page 10
6 90 Hartleib Karel M Head M Jul 1 1826 74
7 90 Hartleib Magdeline F Wife M Apr 30 1829 71

8 90 Hartleib Jacob M Head M Sep 22 1862 48(?)
9 90 Hartleib Christina F Wife M Dec 24 1865 35
10 90 Hartleib Karl M Son S May 11 1886 14
11 90 Hartleib Lydia F Daughter S Oct 28 1887 13
12 90 Hartleib John M Son S Apr 4 1891 10
13 90 Hartleib Lillie F Daughter S May 9 1894 7
14 90 Hartleib Emma F Daughter S Jun 10 1897 3
15 90 Hartleib Oscar M Son S Nov 12 1900 5/12

1901S1 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000071712.pdf
[Karel immig 1844]
1901S2 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000071700.pdf

1891 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148146-00588.pdf
1891 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148146-00582.pdf
1881 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e329/e008202619.pdf
1871 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1871/pdf/4396751_00284.pdf
[Mennonite in Normanby, Grey South]
1861 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/pdf/4391551_00447.pdf
1861 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/pdf/4391551_00448.pdf [blank]

1910 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MGQW-MBW

Magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
http://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po1296unit#page/n320/mode/1up
[immig Chas 1903; Jean 1907; marr 0 y]

Thelma

Thelma Report 2 Apr 2013 03:42

I have solved all the above in regards to the Graham's, Wilson's & Hartleib's.
I would like to thank all those who helped me along the way.
regards
Telly

Thelma

Thelma Report 5 Jul 2010 01:22

I have found further information on Maggie & Jeanie Graham.
As already stated Maggie Graham married John Wilson & they migrated to Canada I know to Wallace,Wellington City Ontario, Canada but although I have found records of the Wilson siblings I cannot find anything further on Maggie & John Wilson.
Jeanie Graham I have found married Edward Charles Harteilb in Mahoning, Ohio, USA on the 03/07/1909.
I found them then on the 1910 USA Census at North Braddock Ward 1 Allegheny, Pennsylvania USA, it stated they migrated in 1907.
I know that they both died in Riverside Hemet, California Charles in 1974 & Jeanie in 1978.
I believe they had 6 children but I can't find them other than an Alva Harteib.
Thank you to those who have tried to help me put this family together.
Telly

Thelma

Thelma Report 23 Mar 2010 10:39

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Thelma

Thelma Report 23 Mar 2010 10:38

Some new information has come to me on Maggie Chambers Graham & Jeanie Hamilton Graham,

Maggie's husband John Wilson was the son of a John Wilson & Elizabeth McCuddin of Wigtownshire Scotland.

John & Elizabeth went to Wallace TWP Wellington City, Ontario, Canada & both died there.
John Wilson on the 15/03/1915 & his wife Elizabeth McCuddin on the 7/7/1919.
I think John and Elizabeth went to Canada around 1908 but can't find how they went.
I cannot find when John & Maggie Wilson left Scotland I only know they also went to Wallace TWP Wellington City Ontario, Canada.
I cannot find any further trace of them or if they had a family,
Have tried checking the 1911 Canadian Census plus family.org etc but could find nothing so far.

Jeanie Graham I think went to Canada alone & met her husband there.
Jean died in Hemet, California in 1978 (under the name of Jean Hartleib)

Jeanie's husband's name was Edward Charles Hartleib born 11/05/1886 in Dashwood, Huron, Ontario, Canada.
He died in Hemet, California 07/10/1974

Edward Harleib was the son of Jacob Hartleib 21/09/1850 - 16/11/1938,
Born in Tavistock East Zurra, Ontario & died in Zurick, Huron, Ontario, Canada.
His mother was Christine Schroeder 25/12/1865 Alsace-Province, Germany. Died 13/04/1938 in Dashwood, Huron, Ontario, Canada.

I cannot find any marriage for Jeanie Graham &
Edward Hartleib as yet, I think it was Canada but where & when???

They had a son.
His name was Alva John (Bub) Hartleib
He was born 24/12/1923 in Windsor, Ontario, Canada and died 6/6/1993 in London, Ontario, Canada

There could be more children I can't find.

I would appreciate any help I am stuck now have checked quite a few sites to no avail.
Telly

Thelma

Thelma Report 17 Mar 2010 00:18

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mgnv

mgnv Report 14 Mar 2010 08:18

7236-23 Snibert Leven NESS, 26, laborer, Scotland, 172 Virginia Ave., s/o Robert NESS (b. Scotland) & Georgina LEVEN, married Elizabeth SCOTT, 25, operator, Scotland, 90 King Edward Ave., d/o Joseph SCOTT (b. Scotland) & Elizabeth INNIS, witn: Harold L. BROWN of 80 King Edward & illegible Hamilton GRAHAM of 90 King Edward, 1 Dec 1923 at 662 Jones Ave. [Toronto 1923]
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/tor1923.htm

Obviously one can't tell from this if illegible=Jeannie, but it does seem likely that Elizabeth Scott would share her dwelling with a woman friend.

Thelma

Thelma Report 14 Mar 2010 00:06

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Thelma

Thelma Report 11 Mar 2010 10:12

To Ann of Green Gables, many thanks for your help & understanding.
I hope I have now stopped the confusion.
To all the kind researchers who have been of help to me over the past 2 years, I never realised there was so much involved in doing family tree when I set out to look for my ancestors, Without your help here & there I don't think I would have been as far back into the past as I am now.
Thank you all for being there for novices like me.
Thel

Thelma

Thelma Report 11 Mar 2010 10:05

What I know is this:
Maggie Chambers Graham D.O.B.15/03/1882
Jeannie Hamilton Graham D.O.B. 25/11/1888
Both were born at Glenmavis by Airdrie Scotland.
Their parents names were:
George & Catherine Graham (nee Chalmers)
Maggie married a John Wilson on 31/12/1901 @ Greenwood Tce, Glenmavis Scotland.
John Wilson's parents were:
John and elizabeth Wilson (nee Cubbin)
I cannot find any marriage for Jeannie Hamilton Graham in Scotland nor any other details of her at all.,
What I know from here is heresay,
She married a man of German nationality & they made their home in Ontario Canada.
I do not know when.
I know that Maggie & her husband went to Canada as well, I am sure they all lived around the same area but I have no proof, nor can I find any trace of any of them.
I have come up against a brick wall, can anyone be of help in pointing me in the correct direction to look.
Telly

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 11 Mar 2010 09:03

can you please delete your new posting or people trying to help you will be going over old ground which is not fair - GR do not allow duplicate postings

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 11 Mar 2010 08:56

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Thelma

Thelma Report 9 Nov 2009 12:41

Thank you again for your efforts in helping me.
I have the documents for William's divorce & his re-marriage in Australia.

I am missing what happened to two of William's sisters, Maggie & Jeanie.
I know they both settled in Canada & I think it was either Ontario or Ottawa area.

I don't know when they left Scotland, as listed above, I have found the marriage of Maggie but am unable at the moment to trace the marriage of Jeanie, I believe he was of German Nationality.

I have all the details for Mary & Agnes Graham who migrated to NZ with their spouses & families.
William who came to Australia.

The other member of the Graham family I have lost is Alexander Graham D.O.B 1895, have no idea what happened to him, have heard he may have gone to Ireland but so far no trace of him.
Telly

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 9 Nov 2009 10:26

Just for accuracy, William's wife divorced him. The divorce records are available at The National Archives of Scotland - you will find them by searching the online catalogue. You can obtain a quote by email to purchase these (or view them in Edinburgh, but you need to order in advance as they are stored in a different building). They may give an address for William, perhaps in Australia.


Reference Title Date
CS254 Unextracted processes, 3rd arrangement, Outer House, B office 1913-1934

Country code GB
Repository code 234
Repository National Archives of Scotland
Reference CS254/2886
Title (Poor) Catherine Nisbet or Graham v William R. Graham: Divorce etc.
Dates 1932
Access status Open

Description Year of calling 1931: Reference No. of Transmission 97: Office B (Skene)
Level Item

Thelma

Thelma Report 9 Nov 2009 04:53

I have just found the marriage of Maggie Graham to a John Wilson (her sister Mary married a William Wilson they settled in NZ).
They were married in Glenmavis 31/12/1901 it states his parents were John & Elizabeth Wilson.
On the Statutory Births 651/020168 it states Maggie Chambers Graham D.O.B. 15/03/1882 all the details re the family are correct on this form.
I am still trying to find Jeanie's marriage to no avail as yet.
thank you so much for the help,
Telly

mgnv

mgnv Report 9 Nov 2009 04:24

As you've no doubt seen, the Maggie Graham whose census URL I posted was born June 1882, which is at odds with your posted dob, so probably this is not her. It's not unusual for the year to be off, but I've never seen the month off before.

Thelma

Thelma Report 9 Nov 2009 03:39

I have found the full names of Jeanie & Maggie & their dates & place of births but still cannot find any marriages for them on Scotlands People.
Maggie Chambers Graham D.O.B. 15/03/1882
Jeanie Hamilton Graham D.O.B. 25/11/1888
Both were born in Glenmavis, County Lanark, Scotland

Fiona

Fiona Report 8 Nov 2009 01:28

If she married in Scotland you should be able to get a copy of her marriage cert from the Scotlands people web site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
You need credits for it but they are not expensive - £6 gets 30 credits and it costs 1 credit to view a page of possible certtificates - put in as much info as possible to narrow the list, and then 5 credits to view the actual scans of the certificates.

Scans are available for births more than 100 years ago, marriages more than 75 years and deaths more than 50.

Good luck in find her

Thelma

Thelma Report 8 Nov 2009 01:15

To Vivien & Mgny,
Thank you for your efforts in trying to help me.
I will look at those sites.
I think if I could find who Jeannie Graham married it would help, my father spoke of one of his sister's being married to a man of german nationality who moved to Canada, the family records show that Maggie was born in 1882 which makes her the correct age for the 1911 census & Jeannie was born in 1889.
I can't imagine she would have married before1907 or later if that was the case the 1906 sailing would not be correct.
Telly