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Tracey
Its done it went to Wayne hope thats all right.
..........colin

Hi. well as it happens , I didn't spend all night trawling the death registers without making a few jottings, there's a possible other Fulham death for a Walter, but once again jumping to no conclusions as

Jan 1955

aged 72
Fulham 5c 631,
don't want to spend all your pocket money !

What concerns me is that a death cert may not tell you anything, or give a positive ID. It might give a relative as next of kin, but I'm not taking the blame if its wrong ! After all there is no reason why he might have died in Fuiham.

Now why would you be devastated ? These are all your relatives anyway !
You can't do research without certificates.

It would be interesting to find out, what Walter did to be in prison .and as for his ejection from the army , they could simply have realised his previous enrolment , or depending on Kings regulations what he did ?
I read something the other day made me laugh, Officers were allowed to catch diseases from lavatory seats, but the lower ranks brought it upon themselves !

EW might be mother, curious that he should have ships as tatooes , without a naval connection, perhaps for his 2 voyages !

The plot thickens !

Colin

Want to PM me your email addy!!

LOL....i didn't copy it, it's my age you know!


Tracey x

Lindsey
One of the initials.
Going back to basics ; what is the closest thing to a boys heart.
his mother but that was ellen strong. But she was only 15 when walter was born so the grandmother would have had a big influence she was about 45 yrs older than Walter. Her name was Ann Franklin but within the family they called her by her second name, Edey; "EW" Edey Walden.
One down two to go.

Colin

Nothing to add but had to say I chuckled at the addition to your title "still going strong"!!

It will be very much back to the drawing board if the Walter marriage is Walter senior. It might be a case of waiting until ancestry uodate and you can search for deaths without trawling through quater by quarter and year by year.

We are waiting with bated breath for the marriage certificate.

Colin

Send me your email addy by PM and i shall send you both sets of army records.... you can then do your own digging lol.

It means you also have these vital records in your own possession!


Tracey x

Lindsey
Your sending me to an early grave, relatively speaking (in both senses of the word)
If your right about the marriage being Walt the senior then I'll be devastated. I never thought of that and you may well be right -damn.
What then? - all thats left is to find a death certicate for Walter junior but thats easier said than done.
I have been told by paypal they are processing the request so the marriage details will be known within a fortnight. colin

tracey
Hi thanks for the additional army info.
It prompted me to chase up what I could to see if any doors would open to you know who.I found that rochester row was updared in a915 to handle huge influx of military patients. It also had a Military Jail wing.It was also one of the hospitals of choice for the grenadier guards.Now for some questions
Was he in the second battalion of the guards known as 'the models' because they recruited widely in the fulham chelsea area in 1914.
Also is the 2 week period you mention in Feb1915 the same period that Lindsey spoke about earlier? Or is it a recurrence of the syphilis.
Finally do you have a discharge date (I shouldn't put that in the same context as Syphilis) for the army and if so was it honourable or dishonourable? Hope you don't mind me asking.
Regards...........Colin

For what its worth I think that it is Walter senior who remarries after Ellen dies and this is not Walter junior.

I'm not yet convinced that the Wokingham births are connected.
unless Walter senior fathers a couple more children with his new wife ?

Walter Junior is beginning to sound like a Walter Mitty !

I do think it's very relevant to mention that Walter lied on his second enlistments records!

Have you ever served in any branch of his majesty's force's : NO

Are you married: NO

This was 10 Nov 1914 !

He was placed on the Syphilis register while stationed at Rochester Row, 5 Feb 1915.

Discharged from hospital 24 Feb 1915.


Tracey x

Lindsey
Thanks once again for the very interesting information you provide . Your obviously well read and its a delight to talk with you I followed up the mercury treatment and found they used compounds which included arsenic and bismuth. You would need to ensure the dose was accurate because the remedy might have killed a few.
I am pleased to say I checked the BMD at both locations you gave me, for the worst case scenario, and there was no record of death. I have looked up both hospitals for patient lists and no results and the British Archives are too convuluted for me to find my way through to the actual data they say they have. I will continue to look for his death because it must be recorded somewhere. If I find it before I get the result from the marriage cert. which has been ordered, I will let you know. That and the marriage information will just about close off this interesting journey into Walters life.

Not too suprising, The illness is active for 7/8 years during which time the children don't usually survive, that would account for 1904 -11 , then for some reason , it becomes dormant and the next children are OK.

The Army chose to use mercury although the Silver Bullet had been discovered as a cure by then , then there are 2 possibilities, he would either have had a normal lifespan, or had the later stages which include insanity from brain damage. That leads on to him not dying in Fulham, but possibly
Barnet or Croydon where the asylum/hospitals were.

Lindsey
Thanks for that medical information. I remember now that penicillin was not avail;able until the late 1930's so I dont know anything about the mercury treatmet and how effective it was. It also explains the loss of the earlier infants. God knows how my father and his sister survived.
On a lighter note I'm still trying to work out the initials Its not any of the immediate family members so I will look at the ship symbolism and any other connection that comes to mind. tion.
Thanks again for all your help and advice.
..................colin
PS Alices baby carried the name Cox even though they were not then married and the baby died at o yrs .

these are his identifying marks noted on his army medical

No thank goodness I don't have a photograph! it goes on to describe his ulcerated parts , swollen glands etc and the mercury based treatment, he was prescribed for 6 weeks . This probably means he had had syphilis for a considerable time

I'm not ready to buy into the Alice story without a lot more info!

RG Were close to the end but not finished yet.
This saga which is starting to read like a novel has more.
Alice Mary Batten identified as being associated with Walter through the next of kin advice on his army papers seems to have had an infant in the first Q 1915 see 1a 539
She subsequently married in Hackney to Chas Cox in the dec Q 1915 see 1b 1634 and wait for it ..............she died in the same Dec Q 1915 see 1a 340. The twists and turns never end.
RG I will post the info from the marriage cert as soon as I get it. and if we don't correspond further its been great working with you and the others that I have seen as a great team.
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P.S. for Lindsey
I will work on those letters you have now dangled in front of us like a carrot. Nothing is obvious at the moment.but if I crack it I will let you know. Thanks for your help.

Lindsey, How do you do it. Do you have a photograph? How did you get it?Your a Wiz.
By the way do I get walters new reg. no.?

Colin

Will you come back to the thread please when you get the certificate? Please share it with us as I am sure that I am not the only one who is curious.

Walter obviously had quite an interesting life and I have enjoyed following this thread.

Good luck, hope the snail mail isn't too slow- well I know it wasn't when I ordered a death certificate from Australian - I had it in my hand in less than 2 weeks!

Walter has a ship tattooed on each forearm, with the letters

GB EW GF Could they be Initials of his children ?

yes he is short , with black hair etc.

Hi Lindsey I will answeryour question first and then give some interesting info I found on trawling the BMD register.
I have verbal information that she was b. in Sept 1914 and an accompanying note that says confirm with registration no. 2022
Her death as Madge Bingham occured on the 18th May 1945 so there is some certainty its after that date. She is interred in Karrakatta cemetry and the record shows
she is the dau of thomas and sarah weeks.
see reg no 1369.
The reason I think that chas my dad and madge are related is to do with resemblance.They were both small in build and stature. About 5 ft 8 in your measurements, their hair was black with tight curls Contrast that with the Weeks clan - they were all well over 6ft and had straight lighter coloured hair with different bone structuring I hope thais helps with your interest about Madge.
Now for the interesting bit . The friend that was mentioned to receive Walters army benefits was shown as Batton but the trawling dug up an alice mary Batten who was born in the Sep Q 1877 in Hackney. Further trawling showed she married a Charles COX in Hackney in the Dec Q 1915. I'm guessing that he is related to Annie A cox who married Walter in Fulham in 1916 The connection is still elusive but were getting close. The Marriage cert. should be the clincher..

I'm going to ask you just one question, what is Madges date of birth.

If you answer me I may impart some more Army information, quid pro quo ?