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Derek

Derek Report 25 Apr 2016 22:24

...a long time since a woman said that to me............ :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Dea

Dea Report 25 Apr 2016 21:52

Derek - you are getting over-excited here - it is not good for you !! ;-) :-D :-D

Mind you, I am just as eager too..............

Dea Xxx

Derek

Derek Report 25 Apr 2016 21:48

Come on then hit me with the RIDGARDS!!!!............. :-D :-D :-D :-D

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 25 Apr 2016 16:36

For Newspaper access on GR, think it depends what Subscription level you have?, not sure as I use Find My Past, who also have on there. Alternatively there is below, Subscription still needed. You can filter County to Derby, and go from there!, very addictive though!.

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/help/faqs?key=177

(looks like you need Platinum Genes, from above link info.)

Chris :)

edits

06 January 1945 - Derby Daily Telegraph - Derby, Derbyshire, England

DIED BEFORE TRIAL
A charge of warehouse breaking against William Curd (40), bricklayer, of 21, John-street, at Derby Borough Quarter Sessions to-day was not proceeded with. It was stated that Curd died at the Derby Isolation Hospital a week ago. An order ...”


The Bicyle Theft was another case, as a 12yr old boy had also stolen one, and sold it for 6d, from Thomas William Stanhope, Newsagent, and had previously done the same from Sarah Barlow!.

AnneIsabella

AnneIsabella Report 25 Apr 2016 14:12

Hi Dea,
Thanks for all of your help and reassurance :-) TTYS x

Hi Derek,
I am really looking forward to seeing how all of these families fit together and so are my husband's relatives. Its been so interesting! There are Aunties and Cousins waiting in anticipation for your info. Again, thank you very much for all of your hard work.

Once I have got my head around the Fords and Adams, I will ask about my own ancestry 'cul-de-sac' - its those pesky Ridgards again :-O

My friend Debbie is just starting her family tree so she may need your help too.
Without a doubt you are definitely needed on GR! :-D x

Hi Chris,
Ooh ..... Grandma had her bike pinched!! Who bought it for sixpence though?! And what was William Curd bound over for? Can I find this out on GR? I will go off and have a look ....... I haven't searched the Newspapers before. Many thanks for this interesting info - I love it! :-)


Derek

Derek Report 25 Apr 2016 12:30

Hey Chris!!.........thank you so much!..Anne will be delighted at this bit of real live gossip about that brings the whole ling alive....

I can't find bicycles, but certainly nicked one or two as a child!!

Thanks again

Derek.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 25 Apr 2016 06:47

(hope I wouldn't be offending by adding below, wondered also if relates!)

(don't suppose you can your talents to missing bicycles also Derek, lol)

Chris :)


03 December 1930 - Derby Daily Telegraph - Derby, Derbyshire, England

BICYCLE SOLD FOR SIXPENCE
another boy aged 11, who pleaded guilty to stealing a bicycle from John street, the property of Doris Vera Adams, John-street. In this case the boy went for a ride to Coxbench, and on his return left the machine near St. Mary's wharf...


11 October 1943 - Derby Daily Telegraph - Derby, Derbyshire, England

William Curd, who was bound over at Derby Quarter Sessions on Friday, at 21, John-street. Derby, and not in Brook-street, as stated in the " Telegraph " on
Saturday.

(but age on other articles relates to below!)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

21 John Street , Derby C.B., Derbyshire
William Curd 18 May 1904 Male Builders Labourer Unemployed Married
Eliza Bates (Curd) 22 Jan 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married


Deaths Sep 1939 (>99%)
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Curd Ruth 70 Shardlow 7b 542


23 September 1941 - Derby Daily Telegraph - Derby, Derbyshire, England

IN MEMORIAM
Curd Ruth - In ever loving memory of a dear, and loving wife, who fell asleep, September 23rd 1939. Remembered by all at 23, Whitmore Road, Chaddesden, Derby.

(also same for 1940)


07 November 1936 - Derby Daily Telegraph - Derby, Derbyshire, England

45 YEARS' SERVICE
RETIREMENT FROM L.M.S. Mr. William Curd, of 37, Kirk Leys avenue. Spondon. has retired after 45 years' service with the old Midland Railway Co. and the L.M.S. He is 65 years of age. In April, 1891 Mr. Curd began work...For more than 30 years Mr. Curd was a vanman in the parcels department at Derby, and he spent the last 4 years of his service as a lampman at Chaddesden Sidings.


1939 Register (Find My Past)

24 Windsor Drive , Shardlow R.D., Derbyshire,
(Curd on image)
William Cind 04 Nov 1871 Male Railway Van Man (Retired) Widowed
William (Arthur) Adams 29 Oct 1908 Male Tarnace Spreading Arp Married
Lucy Adams 09 Sep 1905 Female Housework Married 106 2
Norman (Arthur) Adams ? Nov 1933 Male At School Single 106 3
Joan (Lucy Gwendoline) Adams 25 Dec 1934 Female Under School Age Single


Deaths Jun 1947 (>99%)
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Curd William 75 Derby 3a 282


30 June 1947 - Derby Daily Telegraph - Derby, Derbyshire, England

THANKS
CURD - Mr and Mrs. L. Adams wish to thank all relatives, friends and neighbours for the kind expressions of sympathy and floral tributes received in their sad bereavement. - 23, Whitmore-road. Chaddesden.


Marriages Dec 1930 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------
Adams William Staniland Derby 7b 1415
Staniland Lucy Adams Derby 7b 1415


Births Dec 1908 (>99%)
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Adams William Arthur Burton 6b 362


edits (John Street connection, William Curd born 1904 Nephew of William, his brother being Walter Curd b. 1874)

Derek

Derek Report 24 Apr 2016 21:36

Hi Anne..I really have got it all sorted now.............provided that the Marriage certificate shows what we want to see....

In the mean time i am simply following parents and grandparents back as far as i can..and being prior to 1911..I have all the necessary Parish Records..

Just for fun..in passing.....Ruth Ford..mother of Elizabeth Ann Ford...married William Curd who's father married a Mary Isabella.(Till)..so though your husband is not directly related to that lady..because Ruth Curd (nee Ford) never had any children with William.....it would still appear on the family Tree..as I shall, in due course show you........
.and I look forward to solving another long term problem.........after a long period of utter boredom.this thread has taken off agaiin..Yippee............and i was going to leave!!

Dea

Dea Report 24 Apr 2016 14:24

Don't wait that long Anne - Open up a new thread of your own with whatever your query is on your family and we can take a look !

I look forward to it!

Dea Xxx

AnneIsabella

AnneIsabella Report 24 Apr 2016 13:38

Thank you so much Derek, Dea and Chrissy for taking the time to help me. I think I will need a long lie down in a darkened room before venturing again into the murky depths of my husband's lineage :-S

Derek, I am really look forward to you explaining to me where everyone fits into the family tree as I am a bit lost with it all at the moment as there is so much (extensively researched) information! :-)

However ...... brace yourselves ....... I have another long-standing problem with my own family tree. So, if you can bear it .... in a few weeks time when everyone is rested ..... may I call upon your considerable expertise again? :-D

No.... wait .... where are you all going?...... don't run away ...... I promise it won't be like last time .... come back! ;-)

Derek

Derek Report 24 Apr 2016 10:15

Thank you Chrissy.....I do have this information..but i think I rejected it..even though all the action seems to centre around Repton.Milton. Willington............I have Elizabeth A Ford's mother as Ruth.........but I'll look at it again!!

Thanks again

Derek.

EDIT Yep..I know why i rejected it..in the 1891 she is actually a GRAND daughter...whereas on the 1901 she is now a daughter..if you look at the ages of James and Elizabeth..you'll see she is more likely to be grand daughter..........I also think that Ruth Ford was actuallly the daughter of james and Elizabeth..but need to check that again

Yep..if you look at the 1871 and 1881 for Ruth Ford born Willington..you'll see how complicated it is...........James and Elizabeth..are in fact James and Eliza...and who lokks like his second wife..and look at all those Clures..who are mixed up with thFords........you need a clear head! particularly as james Ford was previously married to Frances Clure!!

Christine

Christine Report 24 Apr 2016 05:03

Hi

I have been intrigued by the Ford & Bamford thread :-)

So much so that I went on a fishing trip of my own.

I found an Elizabeth A Ford b. Circa 1889 Willington daughter of James Ford aged 46 & Elizabeth Clure aged 42. JAMES AND Elizabeth had 2 children James b. 1885 & Elizabeth 1889.

http://interactive.ancestry.com.au/7814/STSRG13_2634_2637-0854/34573298?backurl=http://person.ancestry.com.au/tree/44155556/person/6202098675/facts/citation/7254830724/edit/record

I hope I have been a help and not a hindrance?
Cheers
Chrissy J

Derek

Derek Report 23 Apr 2016 19:46

Right..just when we thought we'd got it right......we didn't..There walways something wrong with dates of birth of ELIZABETH A FORD........mother RUTH.......
Ruth Bamford alleged mother of Elizabeth A FORD...married John Henry Ford in 1884..and had string of children by him..and could NOT have given birth to Elizabeth in 1888/9 or at any other time..if you look at the 1901 and 1911 Census for John Henry Ford and his wife Ruth..nee Bamford..you'll see whhat I mean.

So, actually, for the second time, and this time finally the BAMFORD connection goes out of the window.

IN fact RUTH FORD was born 26/12/1869..daughter of James Ford and Frances nee Clure...and did not marry until 1893 when she married William Curd.........in the meantime she had given birth to an illegitimate ELizabeth Ann Ford in 1889....and dumped her on her grandparents.......and by 1911 they had been married for 17 years had never had children.I wonder why?

I'll clean this all up and send it to you

Derek

Dea

Dea Report 23 Apr 2016 14:16

You are very Welcome Derek.

I did feel a bit naughty butting in on 'your' thread but I just got 'hooked' and then couldn't stop myself. ;-)

If ever you fancy a bit of company on any of your future exploits, please feel free to let me know..........

Ann, don't feel terrible about leading us in the wrong direction. I have thoroughly enjoyed working on this - there is so little on the boards nowadays to really 'get your teeth into' and I do so love a challenge.

Just glad we managed to get there in the end. (Unless, of course those certs show something to throw a spanner in the works! ;-) :-D )

I will leave you now and go and pester someone else. ;-)

Dea Xxx

AnneIsabella

AnneIsabella Report 23 Apr 2016 13:05

What?! I mean WHAT??!! Oh my goodness! Not a William at all but a THOMAS???!!! The name William was one of the few things that the family were 'certain' of :-(
Well you two, I feel terrible - I am so sorry for leading you up the garden path (and into the dreadfully overgrown maze of my husband's baffling family!).
No wonder I couldn't make head nor tail of it by myself.
I am carefully reading through it all to try and work out the families and dates etc.
Many, many thanks for all of your hard work.
PS And not a sniff of a gypsy clan anywhere! :-S
xx

Derek

Derek Report 23 Apr 2016 13:03

Hi Dea.........excellent..yes..I found Ruth Bamford's family..didn't realise her mother was a. Adams...and how sharp of you to pick up the neightbours..including the POUND family.which really takes me back to my first findings of the Bamfords!!....so the link was their all along..and another thing..if you remember the marriage to Harriet Pound..it means that the family of William and Elizabeth Adams that I found and then rejected..are also closely related............Repton/Milton/Foremark etc are all Burton District...Willington is close.....Ruth was from Derby..and the later history is in Chilwell Nottingham via John Henry Ford..is in Shardlow District.

I don't think there is much else to find...but I'm going to put it all together,and with the Marriage cert. send it all to Anne....I love taking these things are far as they will go..and producing as full a genealogy as possible
Dea..you're a star..thanks for you company! :-D :-D :-D

Dea

Dea Report 23 Apr 2016 11:29

Thank you Derek :-D :-D :-D - I have been waiting for you annd Anne to see this ALL morning !!! ;-)

I will tell you who else was also an 'Adams' - the mother of 'this' Ruth Bamford !!!

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Milton, Repton, Burton upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Bamford Head - Male 36 1835 - -
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Emma Bamford Wife - Female 38 1833 - -
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Lydia Bamford Daughter - Female 14 1857 - -
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Hannah Bamford Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Derbyshire, England
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John Bamford Son - Male 7 1864 - Derbyshire, England
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Ruth Bamford Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Derbyshire, England
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Alice Bamford Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Derbyshire, England
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Thersa Bamford Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Derbyshire, England

NB - Adams family next door, then Pound family !!! ??

...............................

Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%)
***Adams Emma Burton On Trent 6b 387
***Bamford William Burton 6b 387

They get EVERYWHERE don't they ? ;-) :-D

Dea x

P.S. - Elizabeth had William about a year before she married Thomas (marriage Dec Q 1909) :

William Arthur Ford
Baptism Date: 22 Nov 1908
Baptism Place: Egginton, Egginton, Derbyshire, England
Mother: Elizabeth Ford
FHL Film Number: 2081305

Births Dec 1908 (>99%)
Ford William Arthur Burton 6b 362

Do we still have anything else to find on this as I have completely 'lost the plot' ;-)

Dea x

Derek

Derek Report 23 Apr 2016 11:04

I think you're right Dea..well done....have to tell Anne off for telling us we were looking for a WILLIAM Adams.....I think the thing hangs together very nicely......you can put it together with my stuff on Elizabeth a Ford............and the Marriage Certificate will confirm it.......Brill x

I see that Elizabeth was pregnant with William when she married Thomas!!

Thomas Cowlishaw Adams was a nephew of the Cowlishaws..which means that one of his parents was an Adams............I may as well follow that through...
and Elizabeth A is definitely the one I have been chasing..
Dea, you're very clever xx

Dea

Dea Report 23 Apr 2016 09:03


BY GEORGE I THINK I HAVE IT !!!!!

Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%)
***ADAMS Thomas Cowlishaw Derby 7b 1103
BAILEY Annie Derby 7b 1103
***FORD Elizabeth Ann Derby 7b 1103
HARRISON George Wade Derby 7b 1103
LUDWIG John Henry Derby 7b 1103


Births Jun 1883 (>99%)
ADAMS Thomas Cowlishaw Burton



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
102 Crewe Street Derby, Derby, Derbyshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas Cowlishaw Adams Head Married Male Drayman 28 1883 Stenson Derby
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Elizabeth Adams Wife Married Female - 22 1889 Willington Derby
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Stanley Adams Son - Male - 0 1911 Derby
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William Arthur Ford Son - Male - 2 1909 Rygington Derby (** brother William ?)


ADAMS, T C

Rank:
Private
Service No:
45257
Date of Death:
18/11/1918
Age:
36
Regiment/Service:
Hampshire Regiment

1st/7th Bn.
Grave Reference:
C. 201.
Cemetery:
MAALA CEMETERY
Additional Information:
****** Husband of Elizabeth Ward (formerly Adams), of Co-operative Cottage, Willington, Derby.

Dea XxxXX

P.S. Little Stanley sadly died which is why he is not remembered, only 'brother William' :

Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
ADAMS Stanley Bernard Derby 7b 660

Deaths Mar 1912 (>99%)
Adams Stanley B 1 Derby 7b 687

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 23 Apr 2016 08:44

Hi you two !!

I am still working on this and had come up with the John Henry Ford marriage too but having looked into it I can't see how our Elizabeth Ann could be fitted in between these births of the children they had:

Births Mar 1884 (>99%)
Ford Emma Gertrude Shardlow 7b 522

Births Mar 1887 (>99%)
Ford Hannah Elizabeth Shardlow 7b 493

Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
FORD Frederick William Shardlow 7b 464

Doesn't fit with this birth which I had thought would be the one we are looking for?

Births Dec 1888 (>99%)
FORD Elizabeth Ann Burton 6b 337

I have some more interesting links which I have found but will wait until I can get them properly sorted or it will just confuse things further....

Dea x