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Hello Lorraine..yes ..please PM me.

Derek

Derby Mercury-Wednesday 10 November 1897

Waldron— On October 23, Henry Charles Waldron, 33. Colvllle Street, aged 28 years

Derby Mercury- Wednesday 10 November 1897

Tho committee have granted to the widow of the late Police-constable Henry Waldron, who served in the force for six years, a gratuity of £36 8s. (being one month's pay for eaoh completed year of service) under the Police Act,

Derby Daily Telegraph-Thursday 14 January 1937DUFFIELD

FUNERAL The funeral of Mr. James Patrick Waldron (63), of Eaton Bank, Outfield, took place at Little Eaton Church yesterday. The Rev. A. Baldwin officiated. Mr. Waldron had been missing from home since November 27 last year, and his body was recovered from the River Derwent at Allestree on Saturday. Mourners were: The widow, Mr. VV. Waldron (son). Mr. and Mrs. Lambley (son-in-law and daughter), Mr. Frank Waldron, of Beckenham, Kent (brother) and Mrs. Pierce, of Hereford (sister).

Two questions here please, 1st do you know if i could find out anything from the Derbyshire Police re Henrys death?

And 2nd Could anyone find me a marriage for the Mrs Pierce in the above notice, maiden name WALDRON.

hi me again been looking at the info i have and now i am confused

i have a letter and info that was written in 1887
could i pm you then i cant tell you whats in the letter and the other info

take care lorraine

hi derek
john and elizabeth moved to mansfield and had children there
the names of john selbys parents i got from a tree on ancestry
but have not done anymore as i didnt know weather this was right or not
take care
lorraine

Hello Lorraine...we have established that John Selby of SkegbyNotts..went across to North Wingfield to marry Elizabeth Hibberd..in her own Parish..very common occurrence.......BUT they had no children at North Wingfield..which means that he stuck her on the back of his horse and took her off somewhere else to have his wicked way with her..............so why not back to Skegby, from whence he came..a very common occurrence........just an idea ,you understand, becasue JOHN and ELIZABETH SELBY had the following children at Skegby:-

Efsheba 18.12.1779
Ann 06.04.1783
Mary 22.05.1785..all born at Skegby in the few years after John and Elizabeth married.................which at the very least needs some examination!!...there is no other marriage for John Selby to an Elizabeth..........

Derek.

hi derek
have just found the marriage cert for john selby and elizabeth hibberd
married in wigfield derby
and it says john selby of skegby
and they married in the presence of sarah marshall and geo wilmot

got all the dates of john and elizabeths children too
a lady who is also doing the selbys gave me copies of what she had

thomas selby who was born 1789 son of john and elizabeth
married and had a son thomas william selby who started looking at his [family tree ]around 1887

take care
lorraine

Lorraine..you're confusing me a bit...you don't query my findings yet you said that Elizabeth's parents were Charles and Mary..and that John Selby was from Horsley...............now you say that i am right and that you already have all the info...........

I have three female children for a John and Elizabeth Selby at Skegby..Ann, Efsheba and Mary..are these the ones you've got?

I've found Syndonia's marriage 07.02.1811 St Mary's Nottingham hang apparently been born in 1789.......

Derek.

hi derek
the findings you have posted are correct
have all the children for john and elizabeth even have the marriage info for john and elizabeth

but saying that they had a daughter syndonia who married jonathan woodward in notts a long time ago a lady posted that she had found a death of syndonia woodward [but misplaced the info she gave me but i am sure it was before the 1841 census [i am going now to search all my notes to see if i can come across it ]
take care
lorraine

Hello Trouble!!......Before I go any further i would ask you to check your facts, because they conflict with my findings......

I suggest that..ELIZABETH HIBBERD baptised 22.09.1756 daughter of George and Mary at North Wingfield...........

........married JOHN SELBY at North Wingfield 09.09.1777

The marriage entry says that John Selby came from Skegby..which is Notts....

I await your reaction to this before going any further..although i will check out the Skegby it..

Derek.

coooeeee derek its me again
changing from the litherland family to the selby family who came from debyshire
i cant remember weather i have asked before about this family

i have a elizabeth hibbert born 1754 derbyshire parents charles and mary
elizabeth married john selby born 1754 in horsley [i think ]
trying to find out if elizabeth had any siblings and if her parents were born there

thank you
lorraine

I am hoping to be able to find out who the parents of HOWARD Charles WALDRON are. Born Dec 1892 Derbyshire. 1901 census he is living with grandparents Patrick and Elizabeth Waldron.
I know of his marriage and death.
Also a possible relation of his- HENRY Charles Waldron married Catherine Weir in Swansea in 1891 Henry died Dec 1897 Derbyshire but i can find no record of his wife Catherine death?
I can also find nothing about where Florence (their daughter) also born 1891 has vanished too? She was with the same grandparents in 1911 census.
Any leads please?

Thank you for looking Derek, that William Shipley death in 1862 was in Belper.

I have Dinah/Diana Shipley`s 1838 death cert it says she is a widow and the William Shipley - Alice Green Marriage cert 29 Sept 1853 St Alkmund`s church, unfortunately it only tells me the father was William Shipley, a frame work knitter. It does not say deceased for both William Shipley or Alice`s father Francis Green, I do know Francis Green was buried 24 Mar 1836 Darley Abbey (thanks to both you and Meercat)

Sylvia (in Oz)

Hello Sylvia........nice to hear from you again..........but I don't think I can help you very much

The 1834 death does not give the age of the deceased, and since it is three years before Death Certificates, there are no details registered.

I have found the marriage to Dinah/Diana 01.11.1824..and her death 24.02.1838.

According to what appears to be a reasonably well-researched Tree on Ancestry..I have details for Sarah 1827-1896..and William 1829-1910........who are children of William and Dinah..........BUT they have William Shipley born 1806..died JFM 1862............but I cannot find a death for William Shipley 1862.......

So I'm afraid it's one of those very difficult one's that appear to be done and dusted.before censuses 1841..and before Civil registration 1837

One clue might be to have a look at a Marriage Cert. for William b 1829..and if he married before 1862, and his father is "William Shipley deceased"..then we know the 1862 date is wrong.
EDIT.......William Shipley married Alice Green 1852 Derby.....so that might be a valuable Mariage Certificate to have!! his father should be deceased....if he isn't then his death in 1862 is correct.

Derek.

Hi Derek,

Hope you are keeping well and can help me with an age at burial.

I have from Family Search a William Shipley buried 10 Aug 1834 St Alkmund`s church Derby.

I am hopeing this is my 2x great grandfather, born 30 Jan 1806, baptised 10 Feb 1806, Independent Belper and Heage

Williams wife died 1838 St Peters workhouse Derby, a widow.

1841 has son William (1830) in Osmaston Road workhouse and daughter Sarah(1827) living with her maternal grandfather in Darley Abbey.

So heres hopeing your records show an age for him and he`s mine.

Thank you for any help.

Sylvia (in Oz)

Hello Marilyn....ok......before we get too excited..I have given you accurate information about a certain ALBERT JOHN BUTCHER..and cast iron background about his Somerset Pedigree. In 1911 this person was unmarried and was an Architect's Assistant..This person also had a mother with the maiden name of BUTLER...........

Another FACT is that a certain ALBERT JOHN BUTCHER married a BUTLER..near Bath Somerset in 1923........

Same person?????......unproven.

You have an ALBERT JOHN BUTCHER marrying in Reading Berkshire 1920..who may have been born 1891.

Same person?????? actually unlikely, because, as you say, he had a child in 1923 with the wife he married in Reading............unless she was already pregnant when he left her, and went off back to Bath Somerset and married Bigamously......again..unlikely.......

so........as you say the Marriage certificate for the person you say is YOUR Albert John Butcher..will give his father and his occupation.......

..all this of course depends on who decided we were looking for Albert JOHN Butcher..rather than Albert J Butcher or just plain old Albert Butcher!......
The marriage to Edith Pocock in 1920..is listed as Albert J Butcher......
I await your findings!

Derek.

Wow Derek...

Could be a possibility of another Marriage ......another story about him was he could have done a bigamy also that he was up to no good according to his son Reginald telling his son ........!!!!!!!!!

Now the only query is a child was born 1924 to Edith Daisy and he married again in1923 ? but all is possible , perhaps he popped back to Edith at sometime ..LOL

I think you have him there with that second marriage.

I have visitors so I'll get back soon .....Well done I'll explore tomorrow .

Getting excited now :-D

Marilyn .....

Hi Derek....
Wow I never expected you to go through all that research ...

This is my sisters neighbours Family, she has it that Albert John Butcher married Edith Daisy Pocock 1920 in Reading .They had 3 children Reginald Arthur Butcher b 1924 Reading , her (husbands grandfather) also Edith Mary Butcher b1921 Reading & Alfred TH Butcher b 1923 Reading.

This Albert John Butcher b1891 ? left Edith Daisy his wife when the children were tots !! then the mother died in 1926so the grand parents bought them up (.Pocock Grandma & Grandpa.)

No one knew his whereabouts a family has feeling he was in the Army.

But its the marriage certificate that will reveal ALL.

So we can only wait and see .......but if it is the Albert from Bath maybe you have enlightened us on the rest of the family.

I'll let you know Derek any news on this marriage Cert
Thank you very much your very kind.

Marilyn ......



:-D

In addition to my message below........the only other ALBERT J BUTCHER 1891 I can find is one in Eltham son of Edward and Mercy..(Edward was a Police Sergeant)...but this is not specifically Albert John........

Derek

Hello Marilyn...........way outside my territory, but I love a challenge!!!

Firstly..what makes you think he married in 1920 at Reading??...if your marriage certificate gives parents that support it..then well and good................but since i'm in a lateral thinking mood, i have a different scenario for you:-

The BUTCHER family were from Twerton Somerset..and right through to and including 1911 never got any further away than Weston super Mare...

What might confuse inexperienced researcher is the fact that Twerton is mistranscribed as TIVERTON on several Censuses......Tiverton is in Devon not Somerset..so a clerical error.

Twerton is a suburb of BATH....and Twerton Park is the home of Bath City Footbal Club..and is where ALBERT JOHN BUTCHER was born in 1891

I don't have parish records for these people, but they all can be found on various BMD's

Albert John Butcher 1891 was the son of Walter J S Butcher..a licensed Victualler, beer House keeper and grocer..and of JULIA Butcher nee BUTLER, from Box in Wiltshire (next County)...who were married at Chippenham Wiltshire aMJ1876............there were four other children, and to cut a long story short most of them, including Albert John..were still together on the 1911 census...on which Albert John is an Architect's Assistant

The full hstory of Walter Butcher can be traced from his Birth in 1854..(son of JOHN BUTCHER 1832 and ELIZABETH JEMIMA nee BICKLE1831) who married at bath JAS 1853............and even back before that if you want it....

Now then..supposing we have the right man.......the reason why i offer you an alternative marriage thus:-

ALBERT JOHN BUTCHER married Ellen Jones BUTLER at Clutton Somerset OND 1923..........but this might be a co-incidence that the name Butler is his mother's maiden name...and Clutton being so close to Bath...

Would be interested to hear your response to this!!

Derek.

Hi Derek,

I wonder if you can help ?

I have a Albert John Butcher b 1891 family says born in DERBY.....They could be all wrong !!

As there are NO such name on BMD for that year in DERBY the only entry that fits his birth for his name is for BATH.

He married in Reading to Edith Daisy Pocock 1920.

So Its probably a needle in the haystack for you as no one knows anything about him apart from his name and age & a marriage entry.....Cant find a Baptism on FMP or any other web site.

But a marriage cert is about to be ordered so as to go further back in line.

If it means you have to look endlessly .........give up !! I'll understand :-D

Just trying my luck... Thanks Marilyn ..