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Hello Derek.
Re my query of 7th May regarding Mabel and Annie Allen. Did you not have any information on them. I had hoped you would have information on a baptism for Mabel, and hopefully a marriage for Annie.
No problem if you can-not find anything.

Regards Eileen

Hi Derek,

No you are not upsetting me the marriage of Thomas Lockwood and Mary Cheetham was at St Barnabas, Thomas was the son of a William and Mary was the daughter of Thomas Perkins as it a Roman Catholic marriage they it does have full details so have advised Lorraine that it may be best to get a certificate from the register's office.

Hope this helps with your research for Lorraine too.

Wendy

Lorraine..I had occasion to ask Wendy for help on an unrelated matter..and saw your enguiry about THOMAS LOCKWOD m 1875.......so, since i am in possession of all you need at Barrow on Soar..and hopefully not upsetting wendy..here is what i have found......

Thomas Lockwood baptised Barrow upon Soar 18.07.1832..son of William Lockwood and Harriet nee Litherland .married at Barrow..married Mary C Cheetham 1875 Nottingham.................which of course you were hoping for!!
(Which Wendy has now proved to be wrong!!!!)
Now then....Mary C Cheetham from Bilston Staffs..brought five children to that marriage...look at Thomas Lockwood 1833 Barrow upon Soar 1881 Census...so clearly this was her second marriage..so now I'll go looking for her first!!

Incidentally, her firstborn child ANNIE CHEETHAM was allegedly born at Barrow upon Soar 1864..but can't find her yet.........and Mary had been around a bit by 1881!!

Derek.

hi derek
i said you were a very nice man [and you have helped me again ]

take care and thank you
lorraine

Good morning Lorraine..........SARAH MOUNTNEY born 1764 daughter of John and Sarah Mountney..married JOHN LITHERLAND 24.10.1784..and was buried 15.10.1845 aged 81..

The children of Jon Litherland and saran nee Mountney were:---
64 Sarah died 03.091843
Baptism dates....

John 04.02.1785 (who mysteriously becomes William)
Thomas 03.06.1787..died infant
Thomas 07.06.1789..married Esther........
Honour 20.06.1791..married William Spittlehouse 06.11.1809
MARY 09.04.1793..
ELIZABETH 23.11.1794.
Harriet 20.06.1797..married William Lockwood 10.10.1823
George 18.06.1801..married Sarah Ward 1.11.1821..George buried dies 1864 and Sarah died 03.09.1843

I'll go looking for those marriages now

Derek .(thankyou for the compliment)

hi derek
well that changes things then so elizabeth it is so will follow that up now

so ok more litherlands for you
mary litherland b 1793
elizabeth b 1794
so can we work out who they married

and burials
sarah litherland nee mounteney]
i think she is in the 1841 census with frederick lockwood [her grandson]
and a burial for william lockwood who married harriett litherland
she was a widow in 1841 census

would you please have a look for me
you are a very nice man

take care
lorraine

Hello again Lorraine............don't worry about the "problem" with Eliza/Elizabeth..its the same name..and its Elizabeth in the original Parish records and Eliza on Family Search........

Derek

hi derek
no dont know anything about ann 1821 it was just funny that parents were william and honour
i was just trying to find anything i could about this family
and i dont even knon weather there daughter born /baptisted was eliza or elizabeth
the baptism i found was eliza

anyway think i might have to do other family and leave this one alone

thank you for any help so far
but i will be back

lorraine

Hello Lorraine.........I can't find the baptism........but I think it is unlikely that William and Honour..having has two perfectly good children..Elizabeth 1810..and Matilda 1813 in the Anglican Church at Barrow...should suddenly pop up eight years later at a Primitive Methodist Church in Loughboorough..and the records for which appear to start in 1828.....

Do you know anything more about this Ann Spittle 1921??
EDIT....have now found the Baptism.........very strange..............

Derek.

derek
i have been on familysearch and come across this
ann baptism 26 aug 1821 at dead lane primitive methodist
parents william and honor spittle

so do you think they might have had there name as spittle instead of spittlehouse
please let me know what you think
lorraine

Thanks Derek , a little more digging then methinks. That's my evening sorted :-D

Morning LA.............I misread one of the marriages..should be Hannah Elizabeth Gunnell.
You know me..don't like to fail.......so I've had a shufti around.......

Lillian..who I cannot find..came from Astbery Lincolnshire..so I went off on a limb..........and found that Hannah Gunnell also came from Astbery Lincolnshire...which is too much of a co-incidence....

So here is what i think. IF WTF Measham did marry Lillian..then the Shardlow Register has made a big mistake.and has entered Hannah rather than Lillian...ie.Lillian's mother, or even grandmother instaed of the Bride......
I am guessing that Lillian's maiden name was Gunnell......but I still can't find her!!

Derek.

Thanks Derek

Hey Gooner........European qualification assured!!..unfortunately Shardlow Civil Regustration AMJ 1905 gives Willoughby T F Measham as marrying either:-

Ada Madeline James or Hannah Elizabeth Gunnell. no mention of lilian......1911 does show him with "Lillian".......but she is from Lincolnshire........

I'll look into it.............

Derek.

Derek can you please see if you can find the marriage of Willoughby Thomas Foster Measham in 1905/06 Shardlow please. I have him and wife Lillian on 1911 but cannot find a Lillian on freebmd. Many thanks

Derek,

Thanks Derek for making sense of my Ballington Clan. You're a star as always!

Julie

Hello again Julie..further to my message below I can now confirm the Baptism of CATHERINE HUTCHBY 08.05.1814 at St. Mary's Nottingham..one of four children of JOHN HUTCHBY and Ruth (whose marriage I have yet to find):-
Louisa Ann Hutchby 21.11.1819
Pamela 28.05.1822
Joseph 28.05.1822 (married a Hannah from Holbrook Derbyshire)

I have a history for John Ballington from Derby..and the succeeding Censuses show that John and Catherine lived in Derby until his death in 1870...at some stage later Catherine moved back to Nottingham and died there 25.12.1884..............there were several children, very easy to trace, as i'm sure you know.

Derek.

Hello Julie..this is going to be difficult.but initial findings are:-

JOHN BALLINGTON married CATHERINE HUTCHBY St Alkmund Derby 22.08.1842..........Catherine was 28 on marriage . from the 1851 she came from Notts.......born C1814..daughter of John Hutchby........

At the moment i cannot get past that..but suggest that if either of them came from Notts..it was John Hutchby........can't find either of them at the moment, but Catherine SHOULD BE on the 1841 somewhere!!
EDIT.............I've found him!!!!!!!.....briefly..needs checking out...JOHN HUTCHBY b 1786 St Mary's Nottingham..married Ruth and had four children all baptised St. mary's..including CATHERINE HUTCHBY baptised 08.05.1814......so at the very least,, there is only one Ballington marriage and you have the right one.......will get back yo you with details.

....and it begins to look like John and catherine WERE living together in 1841......living in sin?????......oh yes much earlier!! bring it on!!
Derek

Derek,

Can you help me, I'm very confused.com
I have John Ballington Married to Catherine Hutchby in 1842 according to records on ancestry. I was looking for Catherine's baptism in Nottinghamshire, but couldn't find anything, so I looked for her on the 1841 Census, with no luck. However I have found John & Catherine Ballington on the 1841 Census. Could it be there are 2 Catherine & John Ballington's and I have the wrong marriage. Or did living in Sin really come that early?

Thank you

Julie

Derek - many thanks, it's much appreciated.

It solves Wallace's likely parentage, previously unknown, and virtually all of the above tallies (although 'Charles' is probably Charles, as he appears with the family in the 1871 census, and there is a Burton death entry for a Charles aged 1 in Q4 1871).

I've wondered for a long while about the lack of proximity of Wakefield to Coton in the Elms, so maybe there was more to it than just work ?!

Regards,

Dave.