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Maureen

Maureen Report 12 Dec 2013 20:21

Hi Derek

I see you have been researching the Neal family. If you come across a Frances Neal who married Joseph Stanley in Dalbury Lees in 1701 (yep, I'm STILL trying to find them prior to their marriage!) I would be eternally grateful!

Maureen

lilliesnan

lilliesnan Report 8 Dec 2013 19:17

Hi Derek..........found the Neal tree. Unexpected visitors so couldn't get back to you yesterday

Will work through your findings and get back if any questions.

Thank you so much for your help...........always appreciated.

Susan x ;-)

AnneIsabella

AnneIsabella Report 6 Dec 2013 21:21

Hi Derek,
OK. Many thanks for looking anyway.
Anne :-)

lilliesnan

lilliesnan Report 6 Dec 2013 12:21

Hi Derek...........Thanks very muchly.
Is it a public tree, whats it called..........just so I can find it.

Am just on my way out for a few hours so will look this evening.

Susan x :-D

Derek

Derek Report 5 Dec 2013 22:37

Hi Susan..have now posted the Neals on a new Ancestry tree........I must say i am surprised to find that most of what i have found is already there........if you sort out the chaff from the wheat............

Derek.

lilliesnan

lilliesnan Report 5 Dec 2013 17:08

Derek - I really don't know how you do it or have so much patience..........the information is amazing...........

Will sit down in a while, have a good look and get my head around it.......unfortunately I now have to go and prepare dinner...........still I will be able to relax later with a full tum !!'

Have sent you a PM .

Can't thank you enough for your help, what would we do without you ?

Susan ;-)

Wendy

Wendy Report 5 Dec 2013 16:01

Hi Derek,

OK Thanks anyway. Don't think Esther Blackwell was born in Derbyshire was just wondering if there was any of the Dalby's as whiteness's and if William was a widow as it's the Dalby's I'm interested in. William was born in Bradmore Nottinghamshire but he died before 1841 and since posting you I have found Esther with Wiliam's mother on the 1841 census in Bradmore and then back in Derbyshire on 1851 with his sister Elizabeth. I'm aiming to go to Matlock myself sometime next year.

Thank you

Wendy

Derek

Derek Report 5 Dec 2013 16:00

Hi Susan..I am still charting as a Family tree all the Neals that I have been able to confirm, and it gets very complicated.........but for the moment I can tell you that your findings are OK down to WILLIAM NEAL 19.07.1778..and I am happy that he married ANN WALL 26.09.1803............but at the moment I cannot confirm a link with JOHN allegedly of Tutbury..........I have all of HIS History but not his Birth.........we'll see what we shall see..............For now I can confirm that:-

LAWRENCE NEAL 08.03.1752 son of John and Elizabeth..married ANN FLETCHER 22.05.1774 at Sutton on the Hill......and that he was the YOUNGER BROTHER of JOSEPH NEAL 14.07.1743.who married MARTHA HELLABY 24.05.1768........and therefore was the UNCLE of Thomas Neal (husband of Grace Middleton and father of ELIZABETH BRIDGES nee NEAL

The family Tree....confirmed absolutely with baptism dates and marriage dates..with siblings etc might be confusing..but here is the skeleton:_

Guilliemi (WILLIAM) Neal 1560 Etwall married Margery Skelett at Etwall 19.02.1584

Johannes (JOHN) Neal youngest of five children 22.07.1599 married Margery Fearne at longford 25.06.1628

LAWRENCE NEAL youngest of four children of John and Margery was baptised 18.02.1642..married Jane Anne Potts in 1670 and had two children the elder of which was..

CONSTANTINE NEAL 18.04 1672 who married Ann Stillington 02.02.1698
They had SIX children including:

JOHN NEAL 05.02.1705 who married Elizabeth Smith at Shirley 24.12.1731..they had SEVEN children including Lawrence 08.03.1752..and........

JOSEPH NEAL 14.07.1743 who married MARTHA HELLABY at Longford 24.05.1768..they had five children..the youngest of whom was:

THOMAS NEAL baptised at Sutton 19.05.1783..May have been born 1781.who married GRACE MIDDLETON 03.10.1800.and had at least five children including:

ELIZABETH NEAL 01.04.1821.......later to be Mrs John Bridges!!

Pick the bones out of that!!...........I'm sending you a PM.

Derek.

Derek

Derek Report 5 Dec 2013 13:47

Hello Wendy..no i don't have the Chesterfield records..I don't think yhey have actually been transcribed for public consumption..........I'd have to go to Matlock to find the original entry......I CAN however confirm the Marriage and the date..but in 1808 you might be lucky to get details of witnesses.......but I'll certainly look for you.
I think I know what you're after..but I cannot find her birth in Derbyshire!!
Derek.

lilliesnan

lilliesnan Report 4 Dec 2013 12:02

WOW........thanks Derek.
Can't wait, its like Christmas come early.....

Susan ;-)

PS Hope you managed to get a little sleep !

Derek

Derek Report 3 Dec 2013 22:53

Hi Susan..I was just about to send you a message about the Neals..then take myself off to bed!!!..but your new message has scuppered the bed bit..at least for a while....

For now let me tell you that i have now found a direct line for ELIZABETH NEAL back to William (Guil;emnius) Neal 1560 Etwall..with full dates of baptisms etc......one or two Ancestry trees are quite good, but not good enough when I'm around!!..My information is Parish records!..but you'll have to wait for tomorrow, while i look at this other stuff you've lumbered me with!!

Derek x

lilliesnan

lilliesnan Report 3 Dec 2013 21:07

Hi Derek….

Hope you are well and haven’t driven yourself crazy with the NEALS
Now before you start on this pour yourself a very large glass of your favourite………just to steady your nerves…….

At last I have found a few moments to get back to you with my other line of NEALS (origins Longford ?)
Some have been confirmed and some are supposition, working backwards the following is fact………

HERBERT NEAL (1867 Dalbury Lees) married Rose Hannah Sowter and was the son of
WILLIAM NEAL (1831 Dalbury Lees) and Ann Colbourne. He was the son of
JOHN NEAL (1808 maybe Tutbury? ) and Elizabeth Spendlove

Now this may not be correct as its been picked up from unconfirmed sources………
JOHN NEAL (1808) possibly the son of
WILLIAM NEAL (1778 Marston on Dove) and ANN WALL ?.....William 1778 possibly the son of
LAURENCE NEAL (1752 Longford) and ANN FLETCHER ?..........Laurence possibly son of
JOHN NEAL (1705 Alkmonton Longford) and ELIZABETH SMITH ? John 1705 possibly the son of
CONSTANTINE NEAL (1672 Longford) and mother unknown. Constantine maybe the son of
LAURENCE NEAL (1642 Longford) and mother unknown. Laurence 1642 possibly son of
JOHN NEAL (1599 ETWALL) and MARGERY FEARNE ? of Longford

Would really appreciate you confirming if any of the above is correct if you
could.:-D

it’s not really important but I'm curious to see if there is a family link between my ELIZABETH NEAL and her father THOMAS NEAL's ancestors. If you come across any of them while trawling through the Longford records could you let me know………as I say - not crucial just curious...

Am looking forward to your findings.

As always your help is much appreciated

Susan :-)

Wendy

Wendy Report 3 Dec 2013 19:34

Hi Derek,
How are you? Do you have records for St Mary & All Saints Church Chesterfield if so could you look at the marriage of William Dalby of Bradmore Notts & Esther Blackwell 11 Jan 1808 to see who witnesses were please.

Thank you
Wendy

Derek

Derek Report 3 Dec 2013 19:23

Hi Anne........yes..she was, but I can't get back to her birth details.....she married SIMON PATRICK at Church Gresley 26.08.1712..the moved to Netherseal in Leicestershire, but only a mile or so from CG...wher she died in 1732.....one of their children was THOMAS born 1715 Netherseal..............

Derek.

AnneIsabella

AnneIsabella Report 1 Dec 2013 16:36

Hi Derek,
Just a quick one - was my Ann Chaulner b 1670 Church Gresley part of the same family that you had come across? No worries if she wasn't.
Anne :-)

Chrissie2394

Chrissie2394 Report 30 Nov 2013 23:18

Hi Derek,

Getting a little confused with these Burrows. I've done a search for the baptisms using surname only for the child and entering Elijah and Sarah for parents and the years 1825-1845


Pharoch Burrows
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 19 May 1838
christening: 15 April 1842 Ilkeston, Derby, England
residence: 1838 Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
father: Elijah Burrows
mother: Sarah

Elijah Burrows
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 28 September 1832
christening: 15 April 1842 Ilkeston, Derby, England
residence: 1832 Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
father: Elijah Burrows
mother: Sarah

Amos Burrows
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 2 February 1840
christening: 15 April 1842 Ilkeston, Derby, England
residence: 1840 Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
father: Elijah Burrows
mother: Sarah

Moses Burrows
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 30 May 1834
christening: 15 April 1842 Ilkeston, Derby, England
residence: 1834 Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
father: Elijah Burrows
mother: Sarah

Robert Burrows
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 25 March 1836
christening: 15 April 1842 Ilkeston, Derby, England
residence: 1836 Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
father: Elijah Burrows
mother: Sarah

Moses Burrows
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 30 May 1834
christening: 21 September 1834 SHIPLEY WOOD AND BEAVERLEY AND SLADE CHAPEL-PRIMITILKESTONODIST,ILKESTON,DERBY,ENGLAND
father: Elijah Burrows
mother: Sarah Lacy

The 5 children whose parents are Elijah and Sarah are all baptised on the same day 15th April 1842 at Ilkeston. One Elijah showing born in 1832.

There are two records for Moses Burrows. Both give date of birth as 30th May 1834. One record shows he was baptised on the same day as the other children of Elijah and Sarah when he was almost 8 years old. The second record shows parents as Elijah and Sarah Lacy and he would be 4 months old.

I am what you would call very confused.com

Hope you can explain.

Regards

Chris

Derek

Derek Report 30 Nov 2013 21:30

Chrissie...but there were definitley TWO Elijah Burrows.........one born 1826 and one born 1834..............unless...........the one born 1826 was not baptised until 1834............which would solve our little problem..because the 1881 entry is definitely of an Elijah BORN 1826.........and yes..his dad DID die in 1886

Chrissie2394

Chrissie2394 Report 30 Nov 2013 20:47

Hi Derek,

Thanks for the info. The 'two' Elijah's are confusing as I have searched the 1841 and 1851 census using just Elijah Burrows (no year or place of birth).

1841 shows only Elijah and his son (sons year of birth given as 1833) no other Elijah Burrows showing.
1851 sons year of birth given as 1833
1861 cannot find either of them
1871 sons year of birth given as 1832
1881 sons year of birth given as 1826
1891 can't find the son, looks like his dad died 1886

Regards

Chris

lilliesnan

lilliesnan Report 29 Nov 2013 22:13

Hi Derek…………

What can I say…..thank you so much for confirming that Thomas, Sutton on the Hill is mine.
I agree with your comments about the baptisms, I have quite often found several children of varying ages baptised together. Perhaps it was a cost factor as well, especially when money was tight as it surely must have been most of the time. Can hardly wait for your findings………what a wonderful name “Marmaduke” was.

With regard to my other Neal line……………I really appreciate the time you are taking to look for the Longford "Neals".

Give me a couple of days to double check the information I have and to confirm what I know as “fact” and I will send you the details. I don’t want to send you off on a wild goose chase. Some Neals have been confirmed others are “heresay” from other trees and may not be accurate, hence I need your expert help…..

Will be in touch again very soon…………….
Meanwhile, time for another glass of your favourite….

Susan
:-D

Derek

Derek Report 29 Nov 2013 20:41

Hello Chrissie..certainly an odd one.............i have a history for Elijah Burrows and all his children by Sarah..right through to 1871.

He definitley married Sarah Purday 30.05.1830..and as you say Moses baptised 21.09.1834 is the son of Elijah and Sarah (Lacy)....and there are six other children of that marriage, before and after Moses.......

BUT... There is an Elijah Burrows 1826..son of Elijah and Sarah..i.e. before the marriage to Sarah Purday..and strangely in 1881, a few years before he died...Elijah senior..a widower...is living with that very same Elija 1826..his son......NOT Elijah 1834..so what do we make of it..???

1. Sarah Purday was previously married and her maiden name was Lacy....just does nt hang together.

2.Elijah and sarah Purday were being very naughty prior to 1830..and Elijah 1826 is their son legitimised by the marriage..

3. Which means that Elijah 21.09.1834 can't be their son..i.e. a replacemnet for an earlier and deceased Elijah..because Elijah 1826 was still living with his dad in 1881.....

4. Which means that Sarah Lacy and her son Elijah 1834..is just a massive co-incidence..

I have to check the earlier Census returms for this to be right......but its a possibilility.

Derek.