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I wondered, if you have access to Derbyshire records, perhaps you could help me find Levi Slater’s parents.
Levi was born about 1786 probably in the Derbyshire area. He married Elizabeth Williams born on 14th December 1783, at West Hallam in Derbyshire on 18th December 1806. (I think her parents were William Williams and Elizabeth not sure of her maiden name.)
Levi & Elizabeth had Thomas Ch: 08 NOV 1807 West Hallam, Derby Sarah - Ch: 25 OCT 1809 West Hallam, Derby, James - Christening: 27 DEC 1812 Pinxton, Derby + ? ?.
Elizabeth may have died. Levi MAY have remarried Hannah Burton on 26th November 1827 in Alfreton and had 2 children, Levi and Ruth OR this Levi may be an ‘unrecorded’ son or a cousin. There are GRO death records of 2 Levi Slaters registered at Belper Oct/Dec 1843 and July/Sept 1844 + another Levi Slater at Dudley Staffordshire in 1846 but no ages given, perhaps church records could help.
Any help is really appreciated.
Thanks
Pat

Hello Mags.....glad to have been of some help..anything else you need , just shout.

Derek.

Hello Anne..welcome to my weird and wonderful Derbyshire!

I'm working on this and have found out quite a lot..but in order to not keep you waiting..we have a starting point:_

THOMAS GOODWIN married HANNAH BROOKS at Wirksworth Derbyshire 22.10.1848..and went on to have about eight children with her....but very strangely they seem to have been having children since 1839 or before????? according to the 1851 census..........or was the old goat married before??

He was born c1809 in Cheadle and Hannah was fifteen years younger than he born Middleton by Wirksworth 1826..old goat!!

Thomas died at Wirksworth in the Civil registration District of Belper AMJ 1891 aged 82.

From his marriage record..his father was Ralph a Weaver..and Hannah's father was a Miner in Middleton.

That's as far as i have got...but I'll send you more as i get it.
EDIT 23.33......got it all sorted!! amazing!!..will send details tomorrow.
Derek.

Hello Derek, Mags here. Thank you so much for your reply to my query. I don't know how you did it but you managed to do in about 48 hours what has been frustrating me for several weeks. Needless to say I'm very grateful to you. I apologise for not using the correct method to contact you - it was the first time I had used the notice board - hope I've got it right this time.
You've given me lots of information to work on which will keep me busy for a while,
Regards,
Mags.

Hi Derek

Can you help me please. My great great grandparents were a Thomas and Hannah Goodwinl (nee Brookes). I can not find out any information regarding their parents. I think Thomas was born in Cheadle, Staffordshire in the early 1800's and Hannah I think was born in Middleton, Derbyshire.

Many thanks

Anne

Pat..i have Pm'd you..

Hello Maggs.....I hope you can find your way back here from PM.......the parish that is causing all the confusion is WALSGRAVE on SOWE in Coventry Warwickshire..variously spelt (wrongly!) as Sowe..Lowe..Walgrave and Wallsgrove..no wonder you're confuse......

Anyway this is where your Smallwood are to be found............

JOSEPH SMALLWOOD c1820 married SARAH WINDELBURROW c 1818 at Walsgrave on Sowe 12.09.1836.....they had five children:-

George (mentioned by you) baptise 01.10.1837
Thomas baptised 07.07.1840
Caroline 1843
JOHN SMALLWOOD BAPTISED 25.09.1845
Charlotte baptised 05.12.1847......

..further complications seem to arise on the 1851 and 1861 Censuses..until you realise that Joseph died in 1847 and Charlotte is now a widow........and by the fact that she has a further two children..Robert 1855 and Charles H 1857..by one of her two live in lodgers.....presumably! because both children have mother Sarah but no father!!,,

I know that by 1871 John is married and living in North Wingfield..and from then on the story is easy enough to unravel........He married Eliza Dayman in the Chesterfield Registration area in the 3rd Q 1868.......and had the following children-

Charlotte Catherine born 06.12.1868..baptised 21.05.1871
Walter baptised 28.04.1871
Lily baptised 16.11.1873
Agnes baptised 05.09.1875
Florence 01.04.1877
Cyril born 19.07.1879 baptised 07.09.1879

I was wrong about Edgar.he appears about 1884..there may be others.....

A couple of these were born at Pilsley, but all were baptised at North Wingfield
..I'll now go looking for Eliza....I know her father was John Dayman..and that she was born at Church Broughton/Hatton about 1840..she is proving t be very elusive....

Derek.

Patricia Sutcliffe..thank you for your Pm...I am writing this simply to help you find my Thread so that you can communicate on here rather than on Pm

Levi Slater married Elizabeth Williams at Ilkeston 08.12.1806...but since i have no clue from you I need you t tell me if this is the correct marriage....or not..

Derek.

hello derek

thankyou :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

i hope your arms have shrunk to normal again

but yes i saw some info on ancestry which i was not sure about and no positive records

thankyou very much what would i do without your help as i find the gr tree to hard to use i only up date my tree on ancestry now :-(

hope you are keeping well

sally w <3

Good morning sally..further to my message of last evening.........have been having a look at your Family tree..which is headed by THOMAS DENLEY 1760-1817.............you will be delighted t know that I can now confirm that he was the son of JAMES Denley 30.03.1714 (son of Rhoda and James).and his wife Ann nee GIBBS whom he married 05.05.1750............so the direct line now appears as:-

James 1654 and Elizabeth....
James 1681 and Rhoda Belcher.. then Elizabeth Swinford..
James 1714 and Ann Gibbs.......to Thomas Denley 1760

Derek

Hello Sally..this really is stretching my long Derbyshire arms!!

I can't really help you with JAMES DENLEY 1654 married Elizabeth....but i can tell you the following about JAMES DENLEY 1681..

He appears to have been baptised 22.06.1681 at Kempsford son of James and Elizabeth.

He married RHODA BELCHER 25.05.1713 at Cirencester and had the following children:-

JAMES bap. 30.03.1714..married ANN GIBBS 05.05.1750 at Hazleton
Jane bap. 03.10.1715
Mary bap. 09.08.1716
Katherine bap. 26.10.1718
Joseph bap. 16.12.1720...died 22.01.1765
Elizabeth bap. 07.09.1723..died 18.11.1810
Rhoda bap. 13.03.1725
John bap. 03.04.1727
Vincent bap. 26.04.1730...died 04.11.1735

after all this childbirthing...Rhoda gave up the ghost 10.03.1733..and JAMES re-married..to ELIZABETH SWINFORD (b 1718) on 11.08.1734..and had a couple more children....
....there is some confusing and frankly ludicrous information on Ancestry trees..which i have ignored.........but it might be that JAMES 1681 was not born till 1689.............that's all i've got..hope it helps.

Derek.

hello derek

ii hope you may be able to help me wiyh your long arm ;-)

this is all i have found on my denley family

james denley b 1713 shipton glostershire married ann gibbs

his father james b1681 south cerney glostershire married rhoda bulcher

his farther james b1654 glostershire married elizabeth .........

can you confirm this or anything else as thease are my direct line

thankyou as all ways some whisky on its way to you :-D :-D :-D

from your number 1 fan
sally w <3 <3

Hello Jane..have answered your Pm.and given you info on how to find my Thread..hope it works.

derek.

Fraid not Joy..I don't have the Sudbury Records........till I go to Matlock Records Office

Derek

Thanks for that. Can you confirm that Elizabeth died in 1805, in Sudbury, Derbyshire?

Hello Joy..sorry you've not been well............Direct from the SHIRLEY PR's I can tell you the following:-

JOHN HUNTSWORTH of Somersall..married ELIZABETH THOMPSON at Shirley 14.12.1801..by Banns..witnesses Michael Goodall and Sarah Wright.

Assuming that this was Elizabeth's Parish then Elizabeth appears to have been the illegitimate daughter of Mary baptised Shirley 25.02.1781..she is the only candidate....

As often happened our swain John Huntsworth married her in her own parish..slung her on the back of his horse and carried her off to his own Parish to have his wicked way with her..

Somersall Herbert PR's have the following:

Thomas Huntsworth baptised there 11.09.1803
Charles Huntsworth baptised there 10.02.1805..both sons of John and Elizabeth.

There is no marriage for John and Elizabeth at Somersall Herbert..the only thing i can surmise is that the supposed entry on IGI is totally incorrect, or may be mixed up with a Banns entry???

Derek.

Hi Derek

Sorry for the delay in replying, been feeling a bit under the weather myself. Thanks for the Hickinbottom info. Hubby's side is certainly proving to be somewhat mysterious, so I'm going to lay off it for a while.

Going back to my own side, I wonder if you could confirm which of these marriages is right. Found them on IGI.


groom's name: John Huntsworth
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bride's name: Elizabeth Thompson
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marriage date: 15 Nov 1801
marriage place: Sommersall Herbert, Derbyshire, England
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indexing project (batch) number: M01902-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1785840
reference number: it 22

groom's name: John Huntsworth
groom's birth date:
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bride's name: Elizabeth Thompson
bride's birth date:
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marriage date: 14 Dec 1801
marriage place: Shirley,Derby,England
groom's father's name:
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indexing project (batch) number: M05894-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 428937
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Thanks Derek..........I also suspect that John Cashmore was most probably the father of Leah Ward born 1816..........I agree it seems unlikely that he would marry and raise another mans child unless he was a real good guy.......and we know the answer to that !! Perhaps he was in prison and couldn’t marry sooner.......he seems to have been in trouble several times before he left for VDL.

I have the marriage cert for Nathaniel Clamp and Leah but I believe there is an error on the cert. It gives Nathaniel's father as unknown and Leah's as John Smith. I really think they are the wrong way round.... My reason for thinking there is a mistake is below......

Nathaniels parentage is also vague. His mother was Susanna Clamp (1790 Grendon)...........she had a daughter out of wedlock named Kitty who was born 1806 and died 1810. She later gave birth to another child, Nathaniel in 1809.....court document cites Joseph Bird as the father. Sadly this Nathaniel also died in 1810.........
Susanna went on to have twins Susanna and Nathaniel in 1813........one twin Susanna died in 1813 and Nathaniel survived and went on to marry Leah in 1841 he died aged 76. Sadly his mother Susanna (1790) also died in 1813.........

Anyway..........the Warwickshire baptism for twins Nathaniel and Susanna in 1813 shows them as “base born” and the potential fathers name has been crossed out on the records. Deleted name is John Smith.

Like you I suspect that John would have stayed in Australia/Tasmania when he was pardoned and as you suggest raised another family but can find no concrete information to confirm this. There may have been a marriage to a Margaret McTavish sometime around 1852 but again have no concrete evidence to support this..........I did wonder if he changed his name to avoid his past catching up with him......if thats the case I may never find out what happened to him. :-S

Thank you for your continued help it is really appreciated

Susan :-)

Susan.....answering another question..........LEAH WARD baptised 30.06.1816 Smisby Leics...daughter of Elizabeth Ward.....must surely be the daughter also of John Cashmore..else why would he have married her so soon after?..it's not something the average guy wouod do!!

LEAH WARD married Nathaniel Clamp 1841 Ashby de la zouch District..but her daughter Leah Ward was born 1839. In this case you can surmise that nathaniel was the father.....but the gap is much longer so you'll never know for sure because nowhere is the father's name recorded.........unless its on the 1841 Marriage certificate......which in this case i doubt..There first child Elijah was born 1843..........By the way there is a John Cashmore died Oakthorpe 1847 aged 51........but my correspondent in Australia thinks he stayed there when pardoned 1846 and raised another family.......which is actually more likely.......

Derek.

Hi Derek, Please could try To find the Marriage of a Mary Shooter to Robert Henry Nevins 1884 Q1 Mansfield.
I'm wondering if its a bigamist marriage. So I would like to find out her father name etc.
This couple can't be found on the 1891 census.
Turn up on 1901 in Micklefield Yorkshire.