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Derbyshire Parish Records

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greyghost Report 17 Jun 2015 17:14

Hi Derek, I hope you can help with my Hopkinsons

William Hopkinson and his wife Maria baptise 5 children between 1829 and 1841 at St Peter's Derby, living first at Traffic Street and then Liversage Place/Street - Mary, Sarah Ann, William, Maria and George. He is variously a Twisthand, Ag Lab, Brewer and latterley a Farmer when the eldest girls marry.

There is a marriage in 1828 of a Wm Hopkinson to Maria Harrison also at St Peter's where the witnesses are Mary Morgan, John Hopkinson, William Hopkin (should that say Hopkinson) and Sally Harrison (probably sister) - all have signed.

In the 1851 census William is shown b Brackenfield c1801 and Maria c1804 in Crich. I can find a baptism for Maria in Crich 1804 daughter of William and Mary but not their marriage and beyond. A possible 1851 census sighting in Derby has him as a Shoemaker b London c 1778 and her as b Crich c 1780.

William's baptism has proved elusive as there are a number of Wiliams born around that time. Can you determine William's parentage, siblings etc.

Thanks for your help to find both William and Maria's forebears.


Derek Report 15 Jun 2015 12:36

Hello Vena..thank you for your PM regarding the family of george Shaw of Ilkeston..........I have not yet found his baptism which, as i have to;d you was A Wesleyan or primitive methodist affair.. along with some very oddly timed Baptisms for his children.........
I have tried to direct you back to this Page because it is much easier to work on here, and also anybody else interested can join in and offer you help.



lilliesnan Report 12 Jun 2015 22:56

Thank you Derek and Gritty. Am very grateful for your help.

Will stay in touch, expect I will be back to bother you again before long !



Derek Report 11 Jun 2015 21:11

Hi Susan..looks like Gritty got in first (Thanks Gritty)...........but the findings are perhaps that solves the issue..

Keep in touch..



Gritty Report 11 Jun 2015 17:55

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Brown Alice Burton 6b 633
Bucknall Sarah Burton 6b 633
Dale William Burton 6b 633
Felton John Burton 6b 633

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
219, Hawkins Lane, Burton upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

William Dale Head Married Male 29 1872 Gasworks Labourer Crewe, Cheshire, England
Sarah Dale Wife - Female 21 1880 - Burton, Staffordshire, England
Ada Dale - - Female 1 1900 - Burton, Staffordshire, England
George Bucknall Boarder Widower Male 62 1839 Boiler Maker Beeston, Nottinghamshire,


lilliesnan Report 11 Jun 2015 16:40

Hi Derek……….at last!
Been tiding up a few loose ends that have bothered me for a while. Family story has it that there was a connection between the Mitchell and Bucknall families, but didn’t know how.

Gran told me Fred Mitchell was a Grocer at Whittington Moor and had a daughter, Lillian and sons Ernie and Clem. She had fond memories of Aunts Lil and Lucy.

Found the Mitchells along with the rest of the family on 1911 census. Seems that HAROLD MITCHELL (son of Fred Mitchell) married LUCY EMMA BUCKNALL…

Now you have confirmed that LUCY was the daughter of ALFRED BUCKNALL, son of George and Georgiania it makes perfect sense. ALFRED was the brother of my great grandmother MARY ANN BUCKNALL born 1877 in Horninglow.

I don’t know Alfreds wife was previously Smith that’s an added bonus!

I have one more of my BUCKNALL siblings without a spouse. Can you check for a marriage for SARAH ADA born 1881 in Horninglow?

There you have it……….a happy researcher and another puzzle solved !!!

Many thanks for your help as always.

:-D :-D


lilliesnan Report 9 Jun 2015 11:36

Hi Derek......

Thank you so much for your reply.

Am expecting visitors so no time to digest your findings now.......will be in touch again tomorrow. Until then......



Derek Report 8 Jun 2015 23:55

Hello Susan............yes you have the right family, although there are one or two areas of possible confusion.....

LUCY EMMA BUCKNALL was born 1899/1900.......but i have yet to find a Birth registration for her..........but working backwards with the hints you give, she is on the 1901 and 1911 Censuses...........
1901 has her aged 1..daughter of ALFRED BUCKNELL and ALICE EDITH...along with several other children.
In 1911 we have an additional child William Ewart Bucknall born 1903..and the 1911 Census shows that Alfred and Alice Edith had EIGHT children..of which TWO were dead by 1911.............which iswhere it gets very interesting.

There appears to be no recorded Marriage registration for ALFRED BUCKNALL/BUCKNELL to Alice Edith...............though a little detective work suggests her maiden name to be Alice Edith Smith..baptised Repton Derbyshire 30.06.1867.......daughter of THOMAS LAWRENCE SMITH of Barkston Leics and MARY JANE of Ilkeston.........

The eldest child of ALFRED and ALICE EDITH was Ellen born 1883,,for whom there is no Birth registration..and born when Alice was only 16.......and clessrly not married..................the next child appears to be George Stanley in 1890..which shows quite a gap between Ellen in 1883 and George in 1890..possible accounting for two infant deaths in the meantime.................

I have a full record for ALFRED BUCKNALL including his parents george and georgiana....born somewhere between derby and Burton on trent...Horninglow....not far from Repton........

The marriage of Lucy Emma to Mr Mitchell in 1922 is odd.....because keying in a marriage for Lucy comes up with a spouse Mitchell.........but keying in a search for Harold Mitchell comes up with a spouse Lucy Emma Bucknall!!.so your hunch is right there also........
I'll leave it there for now cos its late!! might have other info to share with me to enable me to go further..



lilliesnan Report 7 Jun 2015 19:47

Hi Derek

Wondered if I could intrude on your time again, that is, if Chesterfield is / or was in not sure !

If you do have the relevant records, could you look for a marriage for me?

LUCY EMMA BUCKNALL TO MR MITCHELL........think his name is either HAROLD OR FRED, well I am hoping it is. What I really need are details of Emma's father if listed. Marriage, Chesterfield 1922 April/May/June.

If I have the correct family.......parents Alfred Bucknall of Derby and Alice (maybe Smith) from Repton, Derbyshire.

Any little detail would be helpful and much appreciated.

Susan :-D


LaGooner Report 22 May 2015 20:02

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D.


Derek Report 20 May 2015 18:45

Oh well..I'll just have watch Arsenal hammer Sunderland.... :-( :-( :-(


Nottsgirl Report 6 May 2015 11:24

Hi Olive,

James Albert Farnath didn't marry in any hucknall Chruch. I'll send you the marriage of Polly Bramley later today as I'm at the archives just now and it's on my laptop at home.


Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 6 May 2015 10:17

Hi Chris
Any luck with
The Marriage for James Albert Farnath and Mary E Skidmore
1903 hucknall Nottingha Please
From Olive

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 6 May 2015 10:06

(Olive, I'm just giving Derek the reference from your other 'Thread', in case it helped!, looks like you need to send for Marriage Cert.)

(and Wendy who is helping with Hucknall)

Chris :)

edits (PM from Olive, have explained Wendy was helping with Hucknall)

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 6 May 2015 09:38

Hi Chris
We'll i only posted it yesterday
You say you have records for Hucknall Nottinghamshire
I wonder if you would look for a Marriage for me
James Albert Farnath -Mary E Skidmore 1903 Nottinghamshire
Mary E Skidmore was born Hucknall 1873
James Albert was born about 1865 Tamworth Warwick

Going back to the Marriage of
William Bramley and Polly (Mary)Crooks 1891
I wonder if you could send me a copy of the Marriage Please



Nottsgirl Report 6 May 2015 07:34

Hi Derek and Olive,

Hope you don't mind me butting in but I'm working on the Hucknall Parish records and have just been reading though your posts and notice that Olive has sent for the marriage of Walter Farnath and Polly Bramley well the marriage was on 15 July 1922 at St John's Hucknall here's details:
Walter Farnath aged 22yrs a Bachelor, Miner, of 13 Whyburn Street, Hucknall father James Albert Farnath a Miner
Polly Bramley aged 19yrs a spinster of 11 Limb Street Hucknall, father William Bramley a Miner
Witenesses were Henry Bramley and Gladys Jones.


Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 6 May 2015 07:27

Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Polly
Last name Crooks
Marriage year 1891
Parish St.Mary
Place Ilkeston
Spouse's first name William
Spouse's last name Bramley
Reference C10/05/022
Register Office 396

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Polly
Last name Crooks
Age 21
Marriage year 1891
Marriage date 25 Dec 1891
Marriage place Ilkeston, Derby, England
Father's first name(s) Rufus
Father's last name Crooks
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Brambley
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's father's last name Brambley

(not sure if any help with Parish Derek, but taken from below 'Thread', with query, William)

(page 3 &4 on above)

Chris :)

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 6 May 2015 07:13

Hi Derek
Just a thought do you have Marriages for Nottingham shire

1903 Please
From Olive

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 5 May 2015 22:52

Hi Derek
Thankyou so much for searching for me
Like you say the only way to find out for sure is to send for the Marriage Certificate

Do you have Any Nottingham BMD
Bye for now


Derek Report 5 May 2015 21:49

Hello Olive.........the Marriage sure as i can be, that between POLLY CROOKS and WILLIAM BRAMLEY....since the registration in Basford only gives the general area of the actual Wedding, I suspect that a visit to Matlock Records Office is necessary if we're going to find the Parish..which could be difficult if the was now possible.....didn't actually take place in Church..
Your only recourse is to send for the Marriage certificate of POLLY CROOKS and WILLIAM BRAMLEY OND 1891 Basford District.
This will give you both parents names.......
There was never ever any marriage between William Bramley and Mary Crooks.....since they had a daughter Polly..there must be a reason for it.....
I'm still looking.