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LaGooner Report 15 Sep 2015 18:09

Ah now that ties in. Many thanks Derek I am still trying to look for any clues that I can find to give us a direction to follow.


Derek Report 15 Sep 2015 17:48

Yep..that's exactly was that William that was born 1747..and the information on that particular Tree is supported by Parish Records......I'm trying to find out if Elizabeth Stanley was previously married.....


LaGooner Report 15 Sep 2015 16:29

Hi again Derek, I have been browsing at trees on Ancestry and found that someone on there has Gilbert Measham born 1776 born to William Measham and Ann Tunnicliffe.(they married Ashbourne) Ann died 1779 ? and he remarried Elizabeth Mowbray in 1779 and proceeded to have 2 children Henry 1780 and William 1788.

What do you make of this revelation :-S :-S :-S :-S.


LaGooner Report 15 Sep 2015 11:23

Thank you Derek, William is yet another popular name in this lot :-D. Hmmm the plot thickens ;-) I wonder if we will ever sort this lot out.


Derek Report 14 Sep 2015 22:28

Hello LA........I think we might have to accept that Gilbert Measham ( Measome) 1747 born Repton is a bad mistake, and is probably responsible for your own years of frustration.
He is definitely NOT in the Repton Baptisms, as far as they are readable........I have today confirmed that with three hours in the Matlock Records Office.

However, the marriage of Gilbert Measham to Elizabeth Stanley is incontrovertible.
as is a baptism of William Measham at Repton in 1747..........whilst at the same time there is no appropriate baptism at Repton for Elizabeth Stanley......

An idea i have, and which i am now attempting to give substance to, is that William Measham 1747 MIGHT have been a sibling of Gilbert Measham..and that Elizabeth Stanley may have been previously married when she married Gilbert...which could mean tha they both might have been considerably older that 1747.........................


LaGooner Report 14 Sep 2015 19:02

Evening Derek, just had chance to look for that Gilbert and Elizabeth and cannot find where I got it from. Maybe this is wrong then and I got it from an unreliable source without checking it. Very unusual for me :-| :-| :-|


LaGooner Report 12 Sep 2015 22:09

Can't remember the source Derek. I have not worked on them for so long that I will have to dig out all my notes and see if I can find where I got it. Bear with me I have had a big exhibition on yesterday and today and need to get my archive at the History Society in order as everything just got dumped in there after clearing the hall.
In the meantime can you please keep looking at the family for me and see if we can sort the Gilberts out.

Been in touch again soon


Derek Report 12 Sep 2015 17:14

Hi again Gooner.there is one very obvious answer........the Gilbert Measham who married Elizabeth Stanley was not born in 1747...........what information and Source do you have that he was????


Malcolm Report 12 Sep 2015 02:56

G'day Joan

On my family database I have a William and Mary Shooter (nee Carlin) one of their children Leonard Charles Shooter, married into my family tree..

My rearch has Leonard marrying twice, Eliza Chamberlain who died in 1919, and Mary Ann Churchill

The Churchill's are my ancestors.

All the best

Malcolm Storey


LaGooner Report 9 Sep 2015 23:06

I cannot get anything about Gilbert born 1747 he is as far back as I go at the moment. I only have him none of his siblings or indeed his parents. I did not think that the Gilbert on that tree was one of mine either but sort of hoping as then I could have got a bit further back. Saying that there must be a link somewhere as Repton is not exactly a huge place.


Derek Report 9 Sep 2015 22:50 which case it appears that the Family tree as it stands has no link with your own.....

I am begiining to accept the Tree since it appears to rely on things like Wills and land grants and such like, which do not rely on Parish records..which beyond about 1700 are unreadable anyway. Ihave found Gilberts 1747 and 1776 of course..but fit any of yours into this tree will require a lot of luck in tracing some of the marriages and children thta haven't been followed through.
The present situation includes Gilbert 1599.........Gilbert 1673..Gilbert 1700..Gilbert 1761 and Gilbert might be worth looking at marriages for some of these in other places than Repton...........Derby st Werbergh and Newton Solney spring immediately to mind..........................Oh Joy!!


LaGooner Report 9 Sep 2015 20:23

Hi Derek, Gilbert who remarried Mary Ann Parker was the 2nd wife I believe you sent me that ages ago. Now as for all these Gilberts the one you need confirmation of does not tie in with my information. I have Gilbert 1776 as just mentioned who married Mary Meakin then Mary Ann Parker. I have another Gilbert born 1886 and another 1747 who married Elizabeth Stanley but none match with a Gilbert 1791.

Grandson is fine now thank you. it turned out to be some kind of virus and nothing serious but they did keep him in hospital for a couple of days


Derek Report 9 Sep 2015 19:56

Hi Gooner..sincerely hop that all is well with your Grandson.........vis a vis our continuing battle with the Meashams I have decided that I need one or two things from you that will enable me to start a new offensive via a bit of lateral thinking.

You seem to be primarily bothered about identifying the lnks between various GILBERT MEASHAM,s..and also finding a way into the Family tree that you have sent me (Incidentally the two pages don't line up properly!..but can manage.
The way in, as it were, appears to be via Gilbert Measham 1791 son of THOMAS MEASHAM and SARAH nee SIMPSON..and nephew of GILBERT MEASHAM 1761 (Thomas 1759 and Gilbert 1761 were brothers),,children of ARTHUR and SARAH..........this is confirmed and substantiates that part of your correspondents Tree.

I need from you, confirmation,,or otherwise that Gilbert Measham 1791 is part of your definite "Measham Lot"............

By the way i have solved the problem Gilbert and mary Meakin.......she died and he remarried a MARY ANN.........more later..



LaGooner Report 31 Aug 2015 17:28

No problems Derek just wanted to update email with you as I very rarely use the other one now. Keep up the good work and I may one day sort those B****y Meashams ;-) :-D :-D :-D :-D


Derek Report 31 Aug 2015 15:59

Hello Gooner.........thanks for your EMail.....and pm.......if I appear to disappear (!) i's ecasue i am busy on your behalf. Would rather get a complete picture ,if possible, rather than bombard you eith bits and pieces that may be confusing.
So bear with me.....xx


LaGooner Report 29 Aug 2015 10:06

Hmmmm conflictions here. I have my Gilbert who married Mary born 1776 not 1790. I would appreciate you having a close look at this for me please as I would rather trust your findings to the other source who I believe is full of hot air ! :-D :-D :-D.

I have pm'd you too by the way :-D


LaGooner Report 25 Aug 2015 22:52

Richard we believe was born 1705 Repton. his ancestor was apparantley according to her was Roger. I will forward the email that has the tree on it for you to view it is 2 pages.


Derek Report 25 Aug 2015 21:13 it happens dear heart....................hit me with details of Richard Measham and let's see if we can't find a way in through the back door......


LaGooner Report 25 Aug 2015 21:05

Well you did ask :-D :-D :-D :-D. These Meashams are addictive as I would love to link them into Richard Measham as I am in touch with one of his descendants who is a professional geneologist


Derek Report 25 Aug 2015 19:37

Oh BH here we go again on the bedevilled Meashams!!.you know i hate them, but am as hooked on them as you are!!

Early days.but try the following for size:-

Gilbert Measham baptised 19.09.1790 son of Thomas and Sarah was buried at Repton 07.05.1858.

Gilbert Measham or Measom born c.1747...married Elizabeth Standely (Stanley) 12.05.1772..who was buried at Repton 09.06.1826 aged 77.

There is also a Gilbert Measham who was born in 1776..buried 22.01.1860.......and another burial for a Gilbert Measham 20.09.1734

We already know (ad nauseam) from earlier work about Gilbert measham supposed two marriages to different Mary's.............was it Parker and Meakin??...and i'm still not sure he did..becasue there was some little thing bothering me at the time.and it still is......... we go they say!! xx