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Derbyshire Parish Records

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Derek Report 19 Jun 2015 22:43

Hello Greyghost.first..let me tell you that my addled brain confused William Harrison with William Hopkinson.........and that, having now found the 1851 Census entry you refer to,,there is no reason to believe that WILLIAM HARRISON born 1780 not the man begat MARIA HARRISON at Crich in 1804.............
it is unlikely, however, that i can get any further back with William Harrison, since i have at least eight possible births for him in London.
However....your "Starter for ten" does indeed suggest that I can and will go back further..because once i get my teeth into something I rarely let go..............such fun getting into all sorts of trouble!!.

I can now confirm that WILLIAM HARRISON married MARY JENKINSON 30.03.1803 at North Wingfield............don't ask me why..but it happened......and they had the children at CRICH that i have already given you..PLUS..Mary Harrison baptised Crich 15.02.1807.......
Just to consolidate the Mary Jenkinson..she was baptised at Crich 24.06.1781 daughter of Richard Jenkinson and Martha (nee Rowland) who were married at Crich 04.02.1767.
Their other children were:-
Samuel 10.10.1768
Sarah 19.08.1770
Ann 24.04.1774
Hannah 26.05.1776
Richard 28.02.1779........

which i think will do for now, before i blind you with my brilliance!!!.......the hill at Matlock is anything but lovely!!..having walked up it many many times.......but why go to Matlock when you have me!!! (tongue in cheek...............!!!)



Vena Report 19 Jun 2015 21:52

Hi please could you inform us of Stanton rd used to be known as boot lane our ancestors lived there in 1841 named George shaw and Millicent shaw were there thatched cottages does anyone know when these were relaxed with houses please,


greyghost Report 19 Jun 2015 15:44

Great for starters!! Thank you Derek.

So, if I'm reading you correctly, you believe that William Harrison b 1778 London, Shoemaker married to Mary on the 1851 census are not the correct William and Mary to be Maria's parents, despite Mary being shown, co-incidentally, as born Crich?? Or that it was a local marriage and William Harrison originated in London?

As you suggest this is my starter for 10, are you offering to take William Hopkinson/Ann Wholey and William Harrison/Mary Jenkinson back further ?????

I do hope I can get to Matlock before too long - a lovely B&B by the river and park and that lovely hill to climb to the records office.................


Derek Report 18 Jun 2015 23:56

Hello Greyghost.firstly, you can ignore the London is spurious....

The 1841 and 1851 Censuses follow quite logically with Willam Hopkinson, his wife maria and their children at LiversagePlace/Street...........and the marriage at St peter's is correct, and is followed by at least four baptidms in the same Church:-
Sarah Ann 05.02.1832..William 08.11.1835...Maria 28.04.1839..and George 09.05.1841......

Maria nee Harrison was from Crich. and was baptised 06.05.1804 along with Sally 10.03.1805 and William Erasmus 12.02.1809.children of WILLIAM and MARY HARRISON...who may have been married at North Wingfield 30.03.1803....Mary's maiden name being Jenkinson. ( I am fairly sure of this being correct, partly becasue of the proximity of Crich to North Wingfield.. and of the timing..along with there being no other appropriate alternative.

The clue as to the origins of WILLIAM HOPKINSON lies in the 1851 mention of Brackenfield.
Brackenfield did not become a separate Parish until 1844..and was previously a Chapelry in the Parish of Morton..which is where William was follows:
Elizabeth baptised 24.11.1793
WILLIAM baptised 08.04.1798
Sarah baptised 25.01.1801
Mary baptised 20.11.1802
Ann baptised 30.09.1804
George 02.04.1809
Ellen 12.02.1815..............all children of:-

WILLIAM HOPKINSON and ANN nee WHOLEY..who were married at Morton 17.12.1792

How's that for starters???



greyghost Report 17 Jun 2015 17:14

Hi Derek, I hope you can help with my Hopkinsons

William Hopkinson and his wife Maria baptise 5 children between 1829 and 1841 at St Peter's Derby, living first at Traffic Street and then Liversage Place/Street - Mary, Sarah Ann, William, Maria and George. He is variously a Twisthand, Ag Lab, Brewer and latterley a Farmer when the eldest girls marry.

There is a marriage in 1828 of a Wm Hopkinson to Maria Harrison also at St Peter's where the witnesses are Mary Morgan, John Hopkinson, William Hopkin (should that say Hopkinson) and Sally Harrison (probably sister) - all have signed.

In the 1851 census William is shown b Brackenfield c1801 and Maria c1804 in Crich. I can find a baptism for Maria in Crich 1804 daughter of William and Mary but not their marriage and beyond. A possible 1851 census sighting in Derby has him as a Shoemaker b London c 1778 and her as b Crich c 1780.

William's baptism has proved elusive as there are a number of Wiliams born around that time. Can you determine William's parentage, siblings etc.

Thanks for your help to find both William and Maria's forebears.


Derek Report 15 Jun 2015 12:36

Hello Vena..thank you for your PM regarding the family of george Shaw of Ilkeston..........I have not yet found his baptism which, as i have to;d you was A Wesleyan or primitive methodist affair.. along with some very oddly timed Baptisms for his children.........
I have tried to direct you back to this Page because it is much easier to work on here, and also anybody else interested can join in and offer you help.



lilliesnan Report 12 Jun 2015 22:56

Thank you Derek and Gritty. Am very grateful for your help.

Will stay in touch, expect I will be back to bother you again before long !



Derek Report 11 Jun 2015 21:11

Hi Susan..looks like Gritty got in first (Thanks Gritty)...........but the findings are perhaps that solves the issue..

Keep in touch..



Gritty Report 11 Jun 2015 17:55

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Brown Alice Burton 6b 633
Bucknall Sarah Burton 6b 633
Dale William Burton 6b 633
Felton John Burton 6b 633

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
219, Hawkins Lane, Burton upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

William Dale Head Married Male 29 1872 Gasworks Labourer Crewe, Cheshire, England
Sarah Dale Wife - Female 21 1880 - Burton, Staffordshire, England
Ada Dale - - Female 1 1900 - Burton, Staffordshire, England
George Bucknall Boarder Widower Male 62 1839 Boiler Maker Beeston, Nottinghamshire,


lilliesnan Report 11 Jun 2015 16:40

Hi Derek……….at last!
Been tiding up a few loose ends that have bothered me for a while. Family story has it that there was a connection between the Mitchell and Bucknall families, but didn’t know how.

Gran told me Fred Mitchell was a Grocer at Whittington Moor and had a daughter, Lillian and sons Ernie and Clem. She had fond memories of Aunts Lil and Lucy.

Found the Mitchells along with the rest of the family on 1911 census. Seems that HAROLD MITCHELL (son of Fred Mitchell) married LUCY EMMA BUCKNALL…

Now you have confirmed that LUCY was the daughter of ALFRED BUCKNALL, son of George and Georgiania it makes perfect sense. ALFRED was the brother of my great grandmother MARY ANN BUCKNALL born 1877 in Horninglow.

I don’t know Alfreds wife was previously Smith that’s an added bonus!

I have one more of my BUCKNALL siblings without a spouse. Can you check for a marriage for SARAH ADA born 1881 in Horninglow?

There you have it……….a happy researcher and another puzzle solved !!!

Many thanks for your help as always.

:-D :-D


lilliesnan Report 9 Jun 2015 11:36

Hi Derek......

Thank you so much for your reply.

Am expecting visitors so no time to digest your findings now.......will be in touch again tomorrow. Until then......



Derek Report 8 Jun 2015 23:55

Hello Susan............yes you have the right family, although there are one or two areas of possible confusion.....

LUCY EMMA BUCKNALL was born 1899/1900.......but i have yet to find a Birth registration for her..........but working backwards with the hints you give, she is on the 1901 and 1911 Censuses...........
1901 has her aged 1..daughter of ALFRED BUCKNELL and ALICE EDITH...along with several other children.
In 1911 we have an additional child William Ewart Bucknall born 1903..and the 1911 Census shows that Alfred and Alice Edith had EIGHT children..of which TWO were dead by 1911.............which iswhere it gets very interesting.

There appears to be no recorded Marriage registration for ALFRED BUCKNALL/BUCKNELL to Alice Edith...............though a little detective work suggests her maiden name to be Alice Edith Smith..baptised Repton Derbyshire 30.06.1867.......daughter of THOMAS LAWRENCE SMITH of Barkston Leics and MARY JANE of Ilkeston.........

The eldest child of ALFRED and ALICE EDITH was Ellen born 1883,,for whom there is no Birth registration..and born when Alice was only 16.......and clessrly not married..................the next child appears to be George Stanley in 1890..which shows quite a gap between Ellen in 1883 and George in 1890..possible accounting for two infant deaths in the meantime.................

I have a full record for ALFRED BUCKNALL including his parents george and georgiana....born somewhere between derby and Burton on trent...Horninglow....not far from Repton........

The marriage of Lucy Emma to Mr Mitchell in 1922 is odd.....because keying in a marriage for Lucy comes up with a spouse Mitchell.........but keying in a search for Harold Mitchell comes up with a spouse Lucy Emma Bucknall!!.so your hunch is right there also........
I'll leave it there for now cos its late!! might have other info to share with me to enable me to go further..



lilliesnan Report 7 Jun 2015 19:47

Hi Derek

Wondered if I could intrude on your time again, that is, if Chesterfield is / or was in not sure !

If you do have the relevant records, could you look for a marriage for me?

LUCY EMMA BUCKNALL TO MR MITCHELL........think his name is either HAROLD OR FRED, well I am hoping it is. What I really need are details of Emma's father if listed. Marriage, Chesterfield 1922 April/May/June.

If I have the correct family.......parents Alfred Bucknall of Derby and Alice (maybe Smith) from Repton, Derbyshire.

Any little detail would be helpful and much appreciated.

Susan :-D


LaGooner Report 22 May 2015 20:02

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D.


Derek Report 20 May 2015 18:45

Oh well..I'll just have watch Arsenal hammer Sunderland.... :-( :-( :-(


Nottsgirl Report 6 May 2015 11:24

Hi Olive,

James Albert Farnath didn't marry in any hucknall Chruch. I'll send you the marriage of Polly Bramley later today as I'm at the archives just now and it's on my laptop at home.


Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 6 May 2015 10:17

Hi Chris
Any luck with
The Marriage for James Albert Farnath and Mary E Skidmore
1903 hucknall Nottingha Please
From Olive

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 6 May 2015 10:06

(Olive, I'm just giving Derek the reference from your other 'Thread', in case it helped!, looks like you need to send for Marriage Cert.)

(and Wendy who is helping with Hucknall)

Chris :)

edits (PM from Olive, have explained Wendy was helping with Hucknall)

Olive Jean

Olive Jean Report 6 May 2015 09:38

Hi Chris
We'll i only posted it yesterday
You say you have records for Hucknall Nottinghamshire
I wonder if you would look for a Marriage for me
James Albert Farnath -Mary E Skidmore 1903 Nottinghamshire
Mary E Skidmore was born Hucknall 1873
James Albert was born about 1865 Tamworth Warwick

Going back to the Marriage of
William Bramley and Polly (Mary)Crooks 1891
I wonder if you could send me a copy of the Marriage Please



Nottsgirl Report 6 May 2015 07:34

Hi Derek and Olive,

Hope you don't mind me butting in but I'm working on the Hucknall Parish records and have just been reading though your posts and notice that Olive has sent for the marriage of Walter Farnath and Polly Bramley well the marriage was on 15 July 1922 at St John's Hucknall here's details:
Walter Farnath aged 22yrs a Bachelor, Miner, of 13 Whyburn Street, Hucknall father James Albert Farnath a Miner
Polly Bramley aged 19yrs a spinster of 11 Limb Street Hucknall, father William Bramley a Miner
Witenesses were Henry Bramley and Gladys Jones.