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Trying to find a marriage between James Perry B abt 1837, Walsall and Ann Slaney B abt 1845 Lichfield. Marriage was possibly abt 1863 possibly in the Walsall area according to the 1911 Census they had 13 children I can only find 9.
I am also looking for their births and deaths.
James was last known in the 1891 Census living at 102 Lower Rushall St, Walsall.
Ann was last known in the 1911 Census living at 18 Newhall St, Walsall.
James was my Great Grandfather and Ann was my Great Grandmother. I have hit a brick wall and any information would be greatfully received

any connection ?

1871 England Census
Name: James Perry Anson
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Walsall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Household schedule number: 191
Household Members: Name Age
James Perry Anson 30
Ann Anson 26
Philip Anson 8
Henry Anson 2
Alfred Anson 8 months




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2965; Folio: 39; Page: 38; GSU roll: 836429.

1881 England Census
Name: Harry Perry
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Walsall Foreign
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Back of 36 Bank St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Perry 44
Ann Perry 36
Harry Perry 12 (Henry in 1871) ?
Frederick Perry 10 (Alfred in 1871) ?
Alice Perry 8
Clara Perry 6
Arthur Perry 4
Ellen Perry 1




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2827; Folio: 96; Page: 28; GSU roll: 1341677.

maybe


Marriages Jun 1862 (>99%)
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************Anson Philip W Bromwich 6b 773
Heath Rebecca W. Bromwich 6b 773
************Slaney Ann W. Bromwich 6b 773
Watson William W Bromwich 6b 773

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1865 (>99%)
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Bird Mary Ann Stoke T. 6b 235
Buxton Joseph Stoke T. 6b 235
JOYNSON Annie Stoke T 6b 235
Perry James Stoke T. 6b 235

I like it,Choccy. Think you're on the right track. Looks to me like Phillip ANSON was alive all those years so James and Ann weren't likely able to marry.

Maureen

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1891 Census

Name: Philip Anson
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall

Eliza Williams 52
Ann Williams 33
Jane Williams 18
Annie H Taylor 2
Philip Anson 48 Married, Chain Maker

Address:- 103 Blue Lane W



1901 Census

Name: Philip Anson
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Walsall
Ecclesiastical parish: Pleck and Bescot St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall

Henry Moore 55 Head, Widower, Chain Maker
Mary J Grice 48 Widow, Housekeeper
Philip Anson 60 Widower, Chain Maker
John Moore 40 Brother
Charles Venables 60 Boarder
Elizabeth M Perry 11 months b.ca 1900, Walsall, Ad. Child <<<<<<<<<<

Address:- 90 Pleck Road


Does Ad. Child mean Adopted Child?

Who has adopted her??

Is she connected to James Perry and Ann???




sylvia

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915

Name: Philip Anson
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 67
District: Walsall
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 362 (click to see others on page)





sylvia

from Public Family Tree on ancestry.co.uk

Anson Family TreeView Family Tree
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Philip Anson
Birth
abt 1842 in Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Death
Sep 1909 in Staffordshire, United Kingdom

Timeline ( View details )
1842
abtBirth
Walsall, Staffordshire, England
5 source citations
1891 England Census
1851 England Census
1901 England Census
1861 England Census
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915

1851
Age: 9 Residence
Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England
Short Acre

1861
Age: 19 Residence
Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England
Short Acre

1862
Jun
Age: 20 Marriage to Ann Slaney
Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire, United Kingdom

1891
Age: 49
Residence
Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England
103 Blue Lane West as boarder

1901
Age: 59
Residence
Walsall, Staffordshire, England
90 Pleck Road as boarder

1909
Sep
Age: 67 Death
Staffordshire, United Kingdom

Parents
John Anson 1816 – 1870
Ann 1817 – 1872

Show siblings
Alfred Anson 1837 – 1880
Jane Anson 1839 –
Selina Anson 1851 –
Albert Anson 1856 –

Spouse & Children

Ann Slaney 1844 –

Philip Anson 1863 –





sylvia

Interesting!!!!!!

On that 1871 Census, the "anson" after James Perry looks as though it was added as an afterthought ........ James and Perry are very clear, then anson is written much smaller, not capitalized, and squeezed in between Perry and space remaining in this column

Meanwhile Ann and the children are very clearly Anson


Do you think the addition of "Anson" to James Perry was a matter of "correctness" added by someone else after the enumerator had filled in the sheet?????




sylvia

Possible death?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about James Perry
Name: James Perry
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 57
District: Dudley (To 1912)
County: Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 28

Rose

just looking in again ...

Think Sylvia (in Canada) has same conclusion as me that Philip Anson was still alive, so there was no marriage between James Perry and Ann. Possibly James died before Philip, so there was no chance for them to get married.

If there is a connection between the Elizabeth M Perry on the 1901 census, in the same household as Philip Anson, then her birth certificate would maybe help.


Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
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Perry Elizabeth May Walsall 6b 756

Hi Choccy

I just followed your suggestion that Philip Anson might still be alive


...... and I think he was!


I wish I could have found him in 1881 though, just to prove where he was.



That Elizabeth M Perry was a strange one though ...... often you can tell from the positioning on the listing who might be the "parent/s"

but in this case she came right at the end.

If it had been Henry Moore who had adopted her, I would have expected her to be listed ahead of the boarders.


I wonder where she is in 1911???




sylvia

1881
Name: Philip Hanson
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Walsall Foreign
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 72 Green Lane
Occupation: Chain Maker
Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Jones 57
Myra Jones 56
Philip Hanson 39
Isaac Wood 29
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2825; Folio: 41; Page: 4

Don't see him in 1871 though.

Maureen

Thank you all for so much information. So it appears that Ann Slaney was married to Phillip Anson then for whatever reason she then lived with James Perry and as she was already married could not Marry James. I have their first child called Phillip born abt 1863 I would imagine then that he was actually
the son of Phillip Anson. The next born was named Henry Anson Perry (my grandfather) that was the name on his birth certificate he was born in 1868 I always wondered where tha Anson came from. Both the Anson & Perry families lived in Blue Lane I presume that how they met. It appears tha James and Ann had possible seperated in 1891 as they are staying at different addresses. The fact that Ann & James were not married could this be why the children are in the Census with the name Anson.
I need to find the birth certificate of Phillip Anson born abt 1863 to see who was the father if it is the older Phillip that then proves this is the same Ann Anson /Slaney.
Also if I find Anns death certificate that should give me her full names

from www.freebmd.org.uk


a FREE site


Births Mar 1863 (>99%)

ANSON Philip Walsall 6b 598


Order the certificate from

www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/


Answer yes when asked if you have the GRO reference number . it's that 6b 598 after Walsall


The certificate will cost £7. Never pay nay more than that.



sylvia

I have ordered the marriage certificate for Ann Slaney to Phillip Anson also the birth of Phillip Anson 1863. I am still unable to find a death for ann slaney She is still alive in the 1911 Census

Thank you to all who helped I found the death of Ann Slaney also her previous marriage to Philip Anson. James Perry Anson was in fact James Perry.In the 1871 Census the son Philip Anson is the son from the marriage to Philip Anson the rest of the children were fathered by James Perry and he is named on their birth certificates. There is no marriage between James and Ann.

Walter

Thank you for letting us know that


so problem all solved


sylvia