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ESTERFORD, Elizabeth F 70 1771 Middlesex?

Hi Paul here -
my wife is related through the Death (pronounced Deeth) line. I've been corresponding with Aunty on and off.
Great breakthrough to find Heath (not James) Haggis. Can anyone tell me if the dockyards at Stepney were Royal Navy? I've traced a lot of family at the Sheerness, Kent dockyard which was Royal Navy. Occupations like Shipwright (the highest paid and educated), Caulker, Ropemaker, Painter, Joiner etc are all dockyard jobs. If they were in RN then there will be records of them in Admiralty Records throughout their career. If Heath Haggis' death cannot be found then he may have been in Royal Navy and died at sea during the Napoleonic Wars (1803-1815). Likewise the convict Thomas Haggis would also have been need for the war effort - if his sentence was served in War service from 1803 onwards.

Hi Paul

You have taken me to a point I was going to bring up. I also have shipwrights and related professions. There were of course docks all along the Thames and transport was quite good. Many of mine were also linked to Greenwich and Chatham. There are many records that are not on line yet but you could try Greenwich Maritime Museum and the museum at Chatham.

Sailors were required to make a will so that could be productive. I think the family has a strong link to seafaring linked profesions from what I have seen so far.

Thanks,
sounds like finding a dock worker on the Thames is like a needle in a hay stack!

SO. Heath Haggis married Mary Neal and had 5 children including Heath junior. Then he married Mary Eyres and had no children.

Heath Haggis junior married Elizabeth Halbart (William Pemberton witness) and died with one child Thos Heath Haggis. Thos Heath Haggis married Elizabeth Brandish and had Hannah/Anna Elizabeth, Eliza and a 3 day old deceased.
Sounds good to me.
Paul

Aunty,
the closest I could find for a birth of Elizabeth Halbart is -
IGI,
Elizabeth Halbert
dau of Samuel and Jemima
born 12 bapt 24 Nov 1768
Lying-in Hospital, Endell Street
Holborn London

If she was about 70 in 1841, then this is pretty good.

Thanks Paul and LadyK. I spent quite a while doing my paper trail and have come to the same conclusions.

However, there is one clarification. If there was a Heath haggis christened in 1761 and another Heath Haggis christened in 1764, are we taking it that these were two children. The first one Heath1761 dying and the second Heath1764 marrying Mary Eyres in 1775 and then Elizabeth Halbart in 1788.

Yes I can go back to the other tree and member connect to the person and ask them for their source and information about Matthew Pemberton.

I found that Elizabeth Halbert entry yesterday and haven't had time to look at it. It is the only one which fits in with the correct area and was my choice. Goint to have a look at the other LDS thingy and see if that has any more entries about the family.

Edit. http://labs.familysearch.org/ that's the experimental website. It contains filmed indexed material which has not be placed on the IGI web site. In our case there are records for Susannah and William Haggis, but none for our lot.

Just to clarify
Heath Haggis (1) married Mary Neal in 1758 then
Heath Haggis (1) married Mary Eyres in 1775.

Heath Haggis (2) married Elizabeth Halbert in 1788
he was also the second child named Heath because the first one must have died.

I will leave you to to your Haggis then

Thank you LadyKira. I love when I wave my magic fairy wand and you appear when I most need your assistance. Don't know how you do it but I am really glad of your willingness to share your knowledge and your research expertise.

Wishing you and yours a wonderful Christmas and a peaceful and prosperous New Year.

Thank you AS.

We still have lots of snow and ice here.
I suppose you are nice and warm where you are.

Have a great Christmas yourself.

I know I'm a nut case and a glutton for punishment. Let us continue with my favourite families. This time James David Budd. He married Charlotte Green when he was 24 and she was 18. Noticed on the Marriages and Banns that he is listed as a widower. So I went looking. Oh my, one should never go looking. Sleeping puppies and all that.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: James David Budd
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Spouse Name: Charlotte Rosetta Green
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Oct 1876
Parish: Saint John, Limehouse Fields
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Charles Budd
Spouse father name: Charles Green (edited)


And the second entry.....

Name: James David Budd
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Spouse Name: Ann Henrietta Green
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 Jun 1875
Parish: Saint Jude, Whitechapel
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Charles David Budd
Spouse Father Name: Charles Green


OK now I need to go and do Saturday morning things. I will return later. My brain is already on overload.

1881 census - household transcription
Person: BUDD, James D
Address: 89, Stainsby Rd, Limehouse

BUDD, James D Head Married M 29 1852 Lighterman
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BUDD, Charlotte Wife Married F 23 1858
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BUDD, James D Son Single M 3 1878
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BUDD, Cha Edwd Son Single M 1 1880
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BLAKE, Geo Boarder Single M 27 1854 Ghterman
Poplar
Middlesex VIEW
BASSENGER, Henry Boarder Single M 19 1862 Housepainter
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BASSENGER, Martha Lodger Head Married F 40 1841 Tailoress
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BASSENGER, Elizh Lodger Daughter Single F 16 1865 Domestic Serv
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BASSENGER, Cha Lodger Son Single M 14 1867 Errand Boy
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Hannah Lodger Widow F 62 1819 Tailoress
Poplar
Middlesex

1871 census - household transcription
Person: GREEN, Charlotte
Address: Stainsby Rd, St Anne Limehouse

GREEN, Hannah E Head F 53 1818 Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Ann H Daughter F 16 1855 Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Charlotte Daughter F 14 1857 Middlesex VIEW
BASSINGER, Henry Son-In-Law M 30 1841 Middlesex VIEW
BARDWELL, James Boarder M 27 1844 Middlesex

Deaths Mar 1876 (>99%)
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BUDD Ann Henrietta 20 Stepney 1c 362

1861 census - household transcription
Person: GREEN, Charlotte
Address: 31, Flowers Terrace, St Anne, Limehouse

GREEN, Hannah Head Married F 42 1819 Sempstress
Bromley
Middlesex VIEW
BASINGER, Henry Servant Married M 20 1841 Visitor The Blacksmith
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
BASINGER, Martha Daughter Married F 20 1841
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Ann Daughter F 5 1856
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Charlotte Daughter F 3 1858
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
COOK, Frederick Boarder Unmarried M 21 1840 Blacksmith Rertd
...
Middlesex

1851 census - household transcription
Person: GREEN, Hannah
Address: 3, Nightingale Lane, Saint Anne Limehouse, Tower Hamlets

GREEN, Edward Head Married M 35 1816 Labourer
Poplar
Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Hannah Wife Married F 31 1820 Seamstress
Poplar
Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Hannah Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Martha Daughter F 10 1841 Scholar
Limehouse
Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Limehouse
Middlesex

1841 census - household transcription
Person: GREEN, Hannah
Address: New Alley, St Anne Limehouse, Tower Hamlets
PEMBERTON, Mathew M 75 1766 Middlesex VIEW
ESTERFORD, Elizabeth F 70 1771 Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Edward M 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Hannah F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Hannah F 2 1839 Middlesex VIEW
GREEN, Martha F 0 (4 months) 1841 Middlesex

1871 census - household transcription
Person: BUDD, James
Address: Francis Street, St Ann Limehouse
CAMPION, William Head M 42 1829 Middlesex VIEW
CAMPION, Charlotte Wife F 32 1839 Middlesex VIEW
CAMPION, Charlotte Daughter F 15 1856 Middlesex VIEW
CAMPION, Frederick Son M 8 1863 Middlesex VIEW
CAMPION, Alice Daughter F 5 1866 Middlesex VIEW
CAMPION, William Son M 2 1869 Middlesex VIEW
CAMPION, Arthur Son M 0 1871 Middlesex VIEW
BUDD, James Apprentice M 19 1852 Middlesex VIEW
THOMAS, George Lodger M 74 1797 Middlesex VIEW
COATES, Elizabeth Nurse F 51 1820 Middlesex

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