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I know this is spreadin g a bit wide but Samuel was born Ashton where Ellen stated on one census and Samuel would be about the rigt age to be a sibling for Thomas and that road again. so saving for ref


1881 census - household transcription
Person: TAYLOR, Ellen
Address: 113, Park Road, Parr
TAYLOR, Samuel Head Married M 57 1824 Labourer
Ashton Under Lyme
Lancashire VIEW
TAYLOR, Ellen Wife Married F 45 1836 Wife Of Labourer
Prescot
Lancashire VIEW
FINNEY, Martha Step Daughter Single F 22 1859 Glass Smoother
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
FINNEY, Mary E Step Daughter Single F 17 1864 Glass Smoother
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
TAYLOR, Samuel Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
St Helens
Lancashire

maybe not

Marriage: 22 Dec 1883 St Peter, Parr, Lancashire, England
John Austin - (X), Above age Miner Bachelor of Parr
Isabella Stott - (X), 20 Spinster of Parr
Groom's Father: Charles Austin, Miner
Bride's Father: Matthew Stott, Miner
Witness: John Hughes; Thomas Greenall
Married by Banns by: A. A. Nunn
Register: Marriages 1879 - 1894, Page 63, Entry 125
Source: LDS Film 1849640

I think this is the witness for William and Mary Johnson's marriage and look at the address

1891 census - household transcription
Person: AUSTIN, John
Address: 74, Park Road, Parr, St Helens

AUSTIN, John Head Married M 31 1860 Coal Miner
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
AUSTIN, Isabella Wife Married F 25 1866
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
AUSTIN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 7 1884 Scholar
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
AUSTIN, William Boarder Single M 18 1873 Glass House Labourer
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
AUSTIN, Thomas Boarder Single M 16 1875 Glass House Labourer
St Helens
Lancashire


May just be a friend of course but worth following

We are making a little progress with the family of Ellen Taylor. Ann noticed that these 2 marriages were next to each other and the second one was the witnesses for William and Ellen, Following those throgh censuses we think Mary is Ellen's sister and Elizabeth Boyle may also be. We are still trying to find Thomas in a census.

Marriage: 22 Aug 1887 St Peter, Parr, Lancashire, England
William Winders - (X), 19 Miner Bachelor of Parr
Ellen Taylor - 19 Spinster of Parr
Groom's Father: John Winders, Glass Maker
Bride's Father: Thomas Smith, Labourer
Witness: William Johnson; Mary Taylor, (X)
Married by Banns by: A. A. Nunn
Register: Marriages 1879 - 1894, Page 116, Entry 231
Source: LDS Film 1849640

Marriage: 6 Nov 1887 St Peter, Parr, Lancashire, England
William Johnson - 24 Miner Bachelor of Parr
Mary Taylor - (X), 20 Spinster of Parr
Groom's Father: Ralph Johnson, Boatman
Bride's Father: Thomas Taylor, Labourer
Witness: John Austin, (X); Elizabeth Austin, (X)
Married by Banns by: William Edmondson
Register: Marriages 1879 - 1894, Page 120, Entry 239
Source: LDS Film 1849640

This Thomas Taylor is a possible candidate. He lived in Parr.
The daughters were not born till mid sixties and he is about th e right age. Also siblings were Ellen and Elizabeth.

1861 census - household transcription
Person: TAYLOR, Thomas
Address: Island Brow, Parr

TAYLOR, Thomas Head Married M 50 1811 Labourer At Colliery
Birstall
Lancashire VIEW
TAYLOR, Elizabeth Wife Married F 50 1811
Billinge
Lancashire VIEW
TAYLOR, Ellen Daughter Unmarried F 22 1839 Labourer At Colliery
Billinge
Lancashire VIEW
TAYLOR, Thomas Son Unmarried M 20 1841 Labourer At Colliery
Billinge
Lancashire VIEW
TAYLOR, Robert Son Unmarried M 16 1845 Labourer At Colliery
Billinge
Lancashire VIEW
TAYLOR, Sarah Daughter F 13 1848 Labourer At Colliery
Billinge
Lancashire VIEW
TAYLOR, Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1859
Billinge
Lancashire VIEW
TAYLOR, James Son M 0 (1M) 1861
Billinge
Lancashire

I am completely lost. I'll admit it. You are so far ahead of me I can't catch up. I feel like the tortoise lumbering after the hare.

I'm still back trying to work out which is the birth date of John Winders.

If you sort this out and want to put it into the summary thread please just ask, or if you like add it to the other thread in the right order.

Good luck with putting it all together.

nearly skipped this one as too old but address stood out


1891 census - household transcription
Person: BOYLE, Michael
Address: 312, Park Road, Parr, St Helens

BOYLE, Michael Head Married M 73 1818 Living On Own Means
Ireland VIEW
BOYLE, Ann Wife Married F 62 1829
Ireland VIEW
BOYLE, James Son Single M 23 1868 Coal Miner
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
MOSSOP, Mary Visitor Widow F 38 1853
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
MOSSOP, James Visitor Single M 16 1875 General Labourer
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
MOSSOP, Mary A Visitor Single F 9 1882
St Helens
Lancashire

Baptisms: 12 Nov 1865 St Andrew, Ashton on Ribble, Lancashire, England
Mary Elizabeth Taylor - Child of Thomas Taylor & Margaret
Abode: Ashton
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: A T Armstrong
Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1895, Page 34, Entry 272
Source: LDS Film 1471019


This one would fit with fathers occupation and on one census Ellen says she was born Ashton

I was thinking that too bearing in mind age. That would give us three Taylor sisters.

I did find this one - wonder if it should be sister-in-law rather than m-i-l

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1883
TAYLOR Elizabeth
BOYLE Michael
Prescot Register Office or Registrar Attended

FMP 1891 place of birth can only be searched by county and nothing likely came up for BOYLE.


Bearing in mind the mispelling in1901
I searche for b*l* residence Parr and came up with this.

1891 census - household transcription
Person: BALL, Elizabeth
Address: 110, Park Road, Parr, St Helens
BALL, Enoch Head Married M 34 1857 General Labourer
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
BALL, Elizabeth Wife Married F 29 1862
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
FORSHAW, Josep A Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
BALL, Rachel Daughter Single F 1 1890
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
BALL, John Son Single M 0 (12D) 1891
St Helens
Lancashire


Same street

Thanks again, I think we are making some progress for Susan. Having deleted most of her tree it would be nice o rebuild it.

haven't worked that one out yet! only a boarder in 1911 m-i-l in 1901
time for sleep - grandchildren arriving tomorrow but hopefully will get back to this tomorrow eve

Elizabeth Boyle is described as motherinlaw so whose mother is she?

found it - for ref

Mary marries again

1911 census - household transcription
Person: JOHNSON, John
Address: 210 Park Road St Helens
LEE, Thomas Head Married M 37 1874 Coal Miner Hewer Lancashire St Helens VIEW
LEE, Mary Wife Married F 42 1869 Lancashire St Helens VIEW
JOHNSON, Elizabeth Stepdaughter Single F 23 1888 Glass Grinder Lancashire St Helens VIEW
JOHNSON, John Stepson M 21 1890 Glass Worker Bench Minder Lancashire St Helens VIEW
JOHNSON, Florence Stepdaughter F 19 1892 Glass Polisher Lancashire St Helens VIEW
JOHNSON, William Stepson M 16 1895 Bench Minder Lancashire St Helens VIEW
JOHNSON, Thomas Stepson M 13 1898 School Lancashire St Helens VIEW
JOHNSON, Bensiman Stepson M 9 1902 Lancashire St Helens VIEW
BOYLE, Elizabeth Boarder Widow F 50 1861 Office Cleaner Lancashire St Helens

also with same family in 1901 but age 60 (mistranscription? 1911 age would fit with death)

I did see your prev posts LK but just confriming they were the children of JohnWinders & Hannah Chadwick

Deceased detail
Surname Winders
Forename William

Death date
00 / 00 / 0000
Burial date
19 / 09 / 1938

Location
St Helens Cemetery Register Number 82211

Age 69 Years

Grave detail
Grave reference
STHELCEM / 10 / 202

in the same grave

Boyle Elizabeth 23/03/1927 age 67

Winders Ellen 07/02/1938 age 67

Winders William 19/09/1938

Daniels Samuel 06/05/1947

Daniels Margaret 04/10/1957 age 66

Winders Herbert 06/08/1980 age 81


can't just find the post with Elizabeth Boyle on it but sure I saw it somewhere

Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
Daniels Samuel Prescot 8b 1035 Scan available - click to view
Eaves Ellen Prescot 8b 1035 Scan available - click to view
Spreadbury Sidney Prescot 8b 1035 Scan available - click to view
Winders Margaret Prescot 8b 1035 Scan available - click to view

Sorry lancashireAnn

Have you missed my previous posts?
All the children of john and Hannah died except Mary Ann.
Or have I missed something?

I do appreciate you looking for me.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1849
WINDERS John
CHADWICK Hannah
Walton le Dale, St Leonard

which matches those Bury births of yours LK

AS

The John William is on my line.
He was known as John Willy, His father was John.
His grandfather was william.
His great grandfather and Great great grandfather were also John.
I have noticed a tendency in the area to reverse names like you sugest. That is why I wonder if Rhonda's William is The John in the marriage to Ann Hills. I thought this would be anice easy name to research but it is giving me more trouble than my Smiths