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Is Bolton anywhere near where William was born. I have a William Winder living with brother John in the 1881 census. Says they were born in Bolton Lancashire.

Sorry I need sleep.

I have found your John - Window Glass Cutter. 1881 Census.

But it does not make any sense. His dob is 1855. He is married to Ann. They are the only two in the house. He does not have a readable family name on the census. What I think has happened and this could be wrong, is that his name and occupation have been muddled.

John ? Window Glass Cutter

John Winders, Glass Cutter. Oh I love speculation.

I found that one too AS but discounted it because the birth date was wrong !!

Dea x

Come back LadyKira!!

Hope you had a nice Dinner!

Need some more info here please!

Dea Xxx

I can't go any further until I know if anything is on the right track.

I keep going back to the coal miner. Also found one who was a cart driver.

What we need is John Winders siblings. But then we need to find the correct John Winders before we can match his siblings in the census.

William Winders birth certificate would give us his father and mother would it not. It might also give us his mother's maiden name. If we know the mother it will be easier to chose the family in a census. It will also give us father's occupation.

Ladykira, whoo hoo, where are you???

Hey this is a reversal of the norm, me yelling for you!!

Checked the Lancashire Parish records for Winders William 1869 and family. Found marriage you h ave and also same information for Ellen.

No similar information for any of the children (well not that makes any sense).


Do youhave a poor sore head?? Was it something you ate??

I had a wonderful meal actually in a Cypriot restaurant. One of the owners is on genes and I met her for the first time last night.
That could be somewhere for your OH to bring you to AS.
Long cab ride though.
Surprisingly my head is not sore so you can stop shouting.

Daughter and her OH stayed overnight so I have been running round after 2 year old this morning.

Will start pondering over this last this afternoon then give you some answers.


Thanks every one.

Just to give you an idea about this tree. She has the marriage certificate for William and Ellen.

On her tree she has put the parents as Charles and Elizabeth????????

Name: William Winders
Birth: Mar 1865 - Prescot, Lancashire

That is the most likely birth in terms of location
but is not this one

1887 marriage of William & Ellen from parish registers - note name of Ellen's father

Marriage: 22 Aug 1887 St Peter, Parr, Lancashire, England
William Winders - (X), 19 Miner Bachelor of Parr
Ellen Taylor - 19 Spinster of Parr
Groom's Father: John Winders, Glass Maker
Bride's Father: Thomas Smith, Labourer
Witness: William Johnson; Mary Taylor, (X)
Married by Banns by: A. A. Nunn
Register: Marriages 1879 - 1894, Page 116, Entry 231
Source: LDS Film 1849640


sorry just realised this was on the first post but will leave it here for ref

Question LK. Are you using a site which enables you to check addresses connected to the census. If you are I won't go there.
Answer
I use Findmypast and can search addresses.

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That is the one you have discounted because his father was a collier???

Baptisms: 2 Apr 1865 Christ Church, Eccleston, Lancashire, England
William Winders - Child of John Winders & Elizabeth
Abode: Eccleston
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: R.P.Crockett
Register: Baptisms 1838 - 1880, Page 101, Entry 802
Source: LDS Film 1657566

Dea x

I have traced all of the children through the censuses.
etc .
I have looked at lancashire OPC site.
I will look at Ellen slightl later I think because I will need to delete half her tree and I want to rebuild the correct one.

Hang on Aunty I will have to come on as her.
next post will be as Susan. I do have her permission.

before I go
Dea I have not discounted that one.
People got work where they could.

This is the possible marriage for William and Elizabeth



Marriage: 5 Sep 1864 Christ Church, Eccleston, Lancashire, England
John Winders - (X), 25 Collier Bachelor of Eccleston
Elizabeth Durdham - (X), 20 Spinster of Eccleston
Groom's Father: William Winders, Collier
Bride's Father: Ralph Durdham, Collier
Witness: Thomas Wareing, (X); Martha Wareing, (X)
Married by Banns by: R.P.Crockett
Register: Marriages 1840 - 1868, Page 165, Entry 329
Source: LDS Film 1657566

Good!! - because I think it is a 'possible'

Dea x

1871 census - household transcription
Person: WINDERS, William
Address: Eccleston Lane Ends, Eccleston


1881 census - household transcription
Person: WINDERS, William
Address: Kiln Houses, Eccleston

compared with
1891 census - household transcription
Person: WINDERS, Ellen
Address: 19, Grafton Street, Eccleston, St Helens


so the location is right.


BUT

1891 census - household transcription
Person: WINDERS, William
Address: 90, Eccleston Street, Eccleston, St Helens
WINDERS, William Head Married M 26 1865 Coal Miner
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Barbara Wife Married F 21 1870
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Mary E Daughter F 2 1889
St Helens
Lancashire

1901 census - household transcription
Person: WINDERS, William
Address: 32, Havelock Street, St Helens
WINDERS, William Head Married M 36 1865 Coal Hewer (Underground)
Eccleston
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Barbara Wife Married F 31 1870
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Mary E Daughter F 12 1889
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1895
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Barbara Daughter F 4 1897
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Maggie Daughter F 2 1899
St Helens
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, John Son M 0 (3 MOS) 1901
St Helens
Lancashire


1911 census - household transcription
Person: WINDERS, William
Address: 54 Eccleston Street St Helens
WINDERS, William Head Married M 46 1865 Coal Miner Hewer Parish Eccleston Lancs VIEW
WINDERS, Barbara Wife Married
23 years F 42 1869 St Helens Lancs VIEW
WINDERS, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 16 1895 St Helens Lancs VIEW
WINDERS, Barbara Daughter Single F 14 1897 St Helens Lancs VIEW
WINDERS, Maggie Daughter Single F 12 1899 School St Helens Lancs VIEW
WINDERS, John Son Single M 10 1901 School St Helens Lancs VIEW
WINDERS, William Son Single M 8 1903 School St Helens Lancs VIEW
WINDERS, Annie Daughter Single F 2 1909 St Helens Lancs VIEW
WINDERS, Richard Son Single M 0 (2 MONTH) 1911 St Helens Lancs VIEW
PIGGOT, Isaac Boarder Single M 50 1861 Labourer General St Helens Lancs

So this one is most likely The William and Barbara born 1865
1881 census - household transcription
Person: WINDERS, William
Address: Kiln Houses, Eccleston

WINDERS, John Head Married M 46 1835 Coal Miner
Eccleston
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 36 1845
Eccleston
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, William Son Single M 16 1865 Coal Miner
Eccleston
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Mary E Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Eccleston
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Eccleston
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, John Son Single M 3 1878
Eccleston
Lancashire

I have searched for William surname blank born prescot plus or minus 3 in 1881
Nothing that stands out.

same in 1871

1871 census - household transcription
Person: ???, William
Address: St Thomas Street, Eccleston, St Helen
???, William Son M 2 1869 Lancashire


1871 census - household transcription
Person: ???, William
Address: ???, Eccleston, St Helen
???, William ? M Lancashire

1871 census - household transcription
Person: ???, William
Address: ???, Eccleston, St Helen
???, John D ? M Lancashire VIEW
???, William ? M Lancashire VIEW
???, Mary J ? F Lancashire

1871 census - household transcription
Person: ???, William
Address: ??? Russell Street, Eccleston, St Helen


???, William ? M Lancashire VIEW

A few oother unreadable entries. Unfortunately my home computer will not allow me took look at the original images. Must take that up with them.

1871 census - household transcription
Person: ???, William
Address: ???, Eccleston, St Helen



???, William ? M 4 1867 VIEW