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1841 census - household transcription
Person: WINDERS, William
Address: Parr Street, Prescot, Windle

WINDERS, William M 25 1816 Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Ann F 30 1811 Lancashire VIEW
HILL, John M 4 1837 Lancashire VIEW
BORROWS, Thomas M 20 1821 Lancashire VIEW
SMITH, James M 20 1821 Lancashire

another possible sibling/cousin

1841 census - household transcription
Person: WINDERS, Fanny
Address: Lane Ends, Prescot, Whiston

WINDERS, James M 30 1811 Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Ellen F 35 1806 Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, John M 10 1831 Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, George M 8 1833 Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Alice F 6 1835 Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Fanny F 3 1838 Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, James M 0 (2 months) 1841 Lancashire VIEW
BATES, Margreat F 50 1791 Lancashire VIEW
BATES, Henry M 11 1830 Lancashire

This is William 1816

1851 census - household transcription
Person: WINDERS, William
Address: Moor Flat, Windle, St Helens


WINDERS, William Head Married M 38 1813 Coal Miner
Sutton
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Jane Wife Married F 26 1825
Windle
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, John Son M 14 1837 Coal Miner
Windle
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Ellen Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar
Windle
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Margaret Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar
Windle
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, William Son M 0 (4 MOS) 1851
Windle
Lancashire

Just going to post some items and will piece together after


Marriage: 9 Aug 1840 All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England
William Winders - (X), Of full age Labourer Bachelor of Windle
Ann Hill - (X), Of full age Spinster of Windle
Groom's Father: John Winders, Bricklayer
Bride's Father: Peter Hill, Collier
Witness: William Winstanley, (X); Alice Johnson, (X)
Married by Banns by: Charles Bullen
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1848, Page 80, Entry 160
Source: LDS Film 1657567

Marriage: 16 Nov 1840 All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England
John Kilshaw - (X), Full age Collier Bachelor of Parr
Ann Winders - (X), Minor Spinster of Sutton
Groom's Father: Edward Kilshaw, Labourer
Bride's Father: John Winders, Bricklayer
Witness: Joseph Harrison, (X); Lydia Swift, (X)
Married by Banns by: Charles Bullen
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1848, Page 88, Entry 175
Source: LDS Film 1657567

Marriage: 3 Dec 1780 All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England
William Winder - Bricklayer Bachelor of Of this Parish
Mary Scott - (X), Spinster of Of this Parish
Witness: John Harrison; James Spencer
Married by Banns by: Math. Robinson Minister
Register: Marriages 1772 - 1793, Page 46, Entry 187
Source: LDS Film 1657567

Baptisms: 10 Feb 1805 St Cuthbert, Aldingham, Lancashire, England
Mary Winder - Daughter of William Winder & Frances
Abode: Scales
Register: Baptisms 1800 - 1820 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 7, Entry 14
Source: LDS Film 1040315

Marriage: 24 Oct 1808 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Thomas Winder - Brick layer bachelor of Parr
Ann Findley - spinster of St. Helens
Witness: Thos. Findley; Ralph Findley
Married by Licence by: Samuel Sewell, Vicar
Register: Marriages 1788 - 1812, Page 144, Entry 861
Source: LDS Film 1657584 item 10

Marriage: 16 Jan 1814 All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England
George Winder - Bricklayer Bachelor of Of this Parish
Ann Holden - (X), Spinster of Of this Parish
Witness: Mary Winder; William Winder
Married by Banns by: William Ellam Minister
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1831, Page 10, Entry 29
Source: LDS Film 1657567

1851 census - household transcription
Person: WINDERS, Ellen
Address: Moss Nook, Sutton


WINDERS, Henry Head Married M 27 1824 Engineer
Sutton
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 28 1823
Sutton
Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Ellen Daughter F 2 1849
Parr
Lancashire

I am going to do it. Going to start a duplicate thread with the summary on it. As we work out what fits I will transfer that info across to the duplicate thread.

I will label it duplicate thread and ask no one to post on it.

If the board police get their knickers in a knot I'll delete it.

That is what it needs Aunty Sherlock.

I have been wanting to help and have done done searching and found a few things but I have only been on in 'short bursts' over the past week or two and to be honest, although I have read through the thread a couple of times, I cannot keep up with what you are looking for.

A summary would really help those of us who have not been there since the beginning.

Dea x

WINDERS, George M 50 1791 Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Ann F 45 1796 Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, William M 23 1818 Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, Ann F 20 1821 Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, John M 12 1829 Lancashire VIEW
WINDERS, James M 10 1831 Lancashire VIEW

This lot.

Was our William born in 1818 with father George and Mother Ann??

Their John son of William was born in 1829. Our John son of William was born in 1839. A certificate would be good.

NO That does not work. If William married in 1836 to Elizabeth Dewhurst, he would not be in the 1841 census at home. Will check image to see if he is a visitor.

Rhondda has just joined so I am going to direct her here shortly as soon as we make contact.

The ones I have looked at today were added because of geography,occupation or something that caught my attention but I do not know where they fit in.

Hi Dea welcome and welcome Rhondda.

Reinforcements. Whoo hoo.

I wish I could work it so you could all edit the summary. The only way we can do it is if we discuss the bits to be added agree on it and then I edit the summary thread.

Unless you lot can come up with another suggestion.

Now I need to go for a while. If you work out things which need to be added EMPHASIZE THEM in some way on this thread and when I come back this afternoon I'll add them in.

Ladykira please confirm that you are comfortable with your tree and do not need bits added to it, well not at this stage. Dont want you to think you are missing out on the info.

Just looked at the image for the 1841 census George , father, and William son, aged 23. Both were bricklayers.

Do we assume they fit into your empire LK.

I do not know. I looked at them because of their occupation

I seem to have a gap in records. Lancashire POC is still being updated. I have not found anything reliable on familysearch.
As I said before my dfinites are John and Ellen 1841 with two children but there could concievably be more left home before the census.
They are just not showing up with usual searches.

Possible variants are
windows
windres
windrus

I am back for a short time.

I have found the Windus derivation it is on the thread here somewhere. We keep saying there is a link between the families now we have to prove or disprove it.

Will put a list of what we need to know at the top of the summary.

The print out is now 36 pages long. At least if we lose the thread I will be able to send it to you. It is saved to file.

Oh that was clever, not. Really must sort my paperwork. I recycle old paper for print outs. Managed to get some of it back to front and now I have printing all over....... drats, back to the drawing board.

Keep wondering if the family name comes from the place name "Windres" - that is originally way way back.

Now I really do have to go.