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Sarah PHILLIPS, born 1881 to John & Mary A in Newcastle (sister of Evan), married Frederick RUNDLE in 1901, Wallsend district (reg 7750).

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/138482652

She died in 1956 in Hamilton district, NSW.

Marriage notice states 2nd daughter but can't find first. Nor brothers Edward & Chas mentioned in father John's death notice...

Another sister Alice, b. 1884 Newcastle, d. 1885 Lambton.

Brother Charles died in 1904 in Newcastle district (reg 2325), buried at Sandgate BAPTIST-ESE-39, January 1904. His funeral notice:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/138262425

This reveals that the eldest daughter of John was Emma, who married Thomas BATEY in 1902 in Wickham district (reg 5369). Marriage notice: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/135347065

She died in 1906 and Thomas remarried in 1909, buried BAPTIST-ANW-23. See https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/138301824

Note Emma's death reg has listed her sister's name as her mother!

After a bit more snooping I have found Evan's mother's death, wife of John PHILLIPS of Mayfield, in 1897.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/136560818

Her death reg in Waratah district NSW, father Charles (reg 6622).

She is at BAPTIST-DSW-19 at Sandgate Cemetery (link in previous post).

Going by death and memorial notices, this is the death of Mary Ann PHILLIPS nee BROWN's mother Elizabeth. Mary was known as Polly.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/139642582

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/139248872

Death reg 1931/7173 Wickham district

She is buried at Sandgate - https://northerncemeteries.com.au/sandgate/deceased-search/

This fits the birth of Mary Ann BROWN in Newcastle district in 1885 to John & Elizabeth (reg 27039) and death of Mary Ann PHILLIPS in 1959 in Islington district (reg 19378), daughter of John & Elizabeth.

Of course, without certificates it is all speculation!

I think I have found Minnie's birth in NSW in 1916.

To get 'proof' you need to order her birth certificate, and then her parents marriage. These are fairly inexpensive through the NSW BDM site, or you can use a transcription agent like Joy Murrin.

seems Minnie's parents Evan PHILLIPS and Mary Ann BROWN married in 1904 in Adamstown district NSW (reg 8418).

If this is the right Minnie, this is her father's obituary:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/134823574

And funeral notices:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/134819502

Memorial notices the following year:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/134913558

Her father's obit states he died aged 70 in 1953 and was born in NSW. death reg has parents as John & Mary A (reg 4596, Mayfield district).

So this means this is most likely his birth: Evan PHILLIPS to John and Mary Ann PHILLIPS in Newcastle district in 1882 (reg 24510).

Once you are certain you have the right Evan, his birth cert should be your next step to make sure you are on the right track.

Hope this helps.



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Hi Cindy

Thanks for your message. Can you please give me some more details? Do you know when/where Minnie was born? Or when and where her parents were born?

Hi, Cherilyn
I would greatly appreciate any info you can find on my grandmothers Minnie Doreen Phillips parents. I know her dad's name was Evan Phillip and her Mum Mary Ann.. I can only find a Maryann Brown but without proof I cannot be sure if this is her parents. Also, the family talk is that the Phillips came out as convicts. My grandmother born in Australia.

I have tried all I can to find the proof :-)

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Cherilyn, thank you very much for your kind efforts.

Best regards,
Reece

Hello Reece

Sorry for the lateness of my reply.

I cant see him in NSW shipping indexes though they are a bit sparse pre-1840.

It's possible he went to VDL (Tasmania) or another state first - maybe even via NZ.

Sorry I can't help.

Cheers
Cherilyn

Hello Cherilyn,You have helped me in the past and I am just now returning to some research.

William Arthur SOUTHION married my great great grandmother, widow of Faithful Crabb, in Grafton (Clarence River District) in 1850. I am trying to find the date he emigrated to NSW - he was born 1813 baptised St Mary, Newington, Surrey, England on 5 December 1813 and trained as a Watchmaker & Jeweller, worked in Sydney for a Mr Lamb, Watchmaker of George Street in 1844 (found in Trove newspapers).

I can't find him in the shipping lists but hope that you might be able to locate him for me. I have a lot of information for him after 1850.

Thank you once again
Reece
PS Today (25/9/2017) I found a mention of William Southey working for Irving, Lamb & Co, Watchmakers, Sydney date 26 November, 1840. I think William Southey could well be "Southion".

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Thanks for trying Cherilyn.

Hello GG

Sorry I'm afraid I can't find any trace of them :-(

Hi Cherilyn

I wonder if you might take a look a this thread and be able to find any more up to date records about the Brittains mentioned - I think my cousin is travelling to Australia later in the year and is probably hoping to find relations. I suppose it's trying to find if Harry and wife had more children out there and if any married (looks as though Peter did to a Daphne). And then were there any children from that/those marriages etc.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1366645?page=0

Thank you - GG

Thanks everybody for the information I found a Mary Rowan born 1848 on Ancestry in Sydney N.S.W father Denis Rowan and mother Bridget I wish she would stop changing her first name Maria/Mary/Jane. The relative does not want to contact her other relatives from this side of the family so not much more I can do. Thanks everybody

Interestingly there is another Mary ROWAN born in NSW, in 1847 to Andrew & Mary. Mary being the mother's name on the death of Mary HELD.

But the name Denis keeps popping up!

There are two marriages for Mary ROWANs that could be these two women - the one in 1847 to Andrew and the one in 1848 to Denis:
-Mary ROWAN to James DUFFY in Bathurst in 1863
-Mary ROWAN to Peter HELD in Grafton in 1869

'Your' lady is definitely Maria J ROWAN on her marriage to William, which makes me doubt that she is either the 1847 or 1848 NSW birth.

I'll keep looking but I think your friend should get one of the certificates :-D

Well! That IS interesting that the Chadwick-Ashton marriage shows her father as Denis Rowan!

Must be some connection...might be worth contacting the researchers who have the Rowan-Held information to see if they have any certificates or other evidence that she is the one born in 1848?